(05-12-2012 01:55 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 01:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 01:36 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 01:27 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  Pssst, Old Dominion hasnt said yes to CUSA yet. So why can't Liberty take their spot if ODU stays in CAA? Problem solved. CUSA's seems to be scheming for money over competitiveness, so that'd be a match made in, well, heaven.

If we add liberty, we'd most certainly lose Rice, Tulane, Tulsa, and perhaps UAB. No way those schools would allow themselves to be associated with a school like liberty.

We have the same problem with Liberty. The announce their intention to go FBS during a gay bashing politically driven commencement speech.

They can't even keep their announcement of FBS intention free of far right theocratic politics.

They bring nothing to any conference they join but acrimony.

BTW, Rice would drop football before allowing Liberty in their conference. UAB doesn't have any choices. If the UAT board wants Liberty, then UAB's conference USA vote will be made for Liberty, by those in Tuscaloosa

Tom, you are so far left you can't even listen to a speech objectively, there was NO gay bashing during the Romney speech, all he said was "he believes marriage to be between one man and one woman" By that deductive reasoning then Obama was heterosexual bashing when he announced his new found stance on marriage.

You are so far gone that you cannot understand that your entire commencement ceremony was about theocratic politics. And your 'school'...chose to announce your intention to go FBS during that theocratic partisan ceremony. You aren't interested in being in FBS to compete. You're interested in FBS to preach discrimination about others and to prothelize.

We aren't a fit. And it isn't just me.

(05-12-2012 02:08 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 02:04 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  So because Romney believes that the definition of marriage is between one man and one woman that means he is a gay basher? I didn't hear him say two guys sword fighting is ridiculous so being gay just doesnt work so only marriage for heteros... thats not what he said, he just said his beliefs just as obama, Funny how you're logic is so crystal clear... if obama can state his beliefs then so can romney.

I actually understand your point, but in Obama's beliefs don't preclude anyone from rights that should be given to all people.

I don't consider saying they don't support same sex marriage gay bashing, but I certainly consider it intolerant and discriminatory.

Thank you, that is all i was driving at. Just because they believe different doesn't make them bashers, although I certainly can see your point as well.

(05-12-2012 02:08 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 02:04 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  So because Romney believes that the definition of marriage is between one man and one woman that means he is a gay basher? I didn't hear him say two guys sword fighting is ridiculous so being gay just doesnt work so only marriage for heteros... thats not what he said, he just said his beliefs just as obama, Funny how you're logic is so crystal clear... if obama can state his beliefs then so can romney.

I actually understand your point, but in Obama's beliefs don't preclude anyone from rights that should be given to all people.

I don't consider saying they don't support same sex marriage gay bashing, but I certainly consider it intolerant and discriminatory.

Bingo!

(05-12-2012 01:57 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 01:45 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 01:42 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  Just to play Devil's Advocate (too soon?) for a moment here, would anyone here object if BYU were a candidate for SBC membership?

BYU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty

Fifty years from now Liberty will still be a shell of what BYU is.

I respectively object, considering how far Liberty has come in only 40 years and I got to believe that they are light years ahead of where BYU was in its first 40 years..

Understand that I am not saying I am in favor of Liberty U, but like BYU do they have fans around the nation (??) and/or world (??) that would instantly follow their team and their conference should they be invited at some point . . SBC ??

You got to admit the East Coast is heavily populated and that is why I prefer to continue the SEast expansion such as App State and Georgia Southern over any other expansion movement such as NMSU or anyone out West.

MTPiKapp, I have a lot of respect for you. Although you do not like Liberty and you do not want them at all, the majority of your posts have been respectful. I am sure if i looked hard enough i could find some but for the most part I like the discussions with you.

(05-12-2012 02:12 PM)ManzanoWolf Wrote:  Understand that I am not saying I am in favor of Liberty U, but like BYU do they have fans around the nation (??) and/or world (??) that would instantly follow their team and their conference should they be invited at some point . . SBC ??

The Liberty fan will say they do, but that's nothing more than extreme myopia.

(05-12-2012 02:10 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 02:08 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 02:04 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  So because Romney believes that the definition of marriage is between one man and one woman that means he is a gay basher? I didn't hear him say two guys sword fighting is ridiculous so being gay just doesnt work so only marriage for heteros... thats not what he said, he just said his beliefs just as obama, Funny how you're logic is so crystal clear... if obama can state his beliefs then so can romney.

I actually understand your point, but in Obama's beliefs don't preclude anyone from rights that should be given to all people.

I don't consider saying they don't support same sex marriage gay bashing, but I certainly consider it intolerant and discriminatory.

Thank you, that is all i was driving at. Just because they believe different doesn't make them bashers, although I certainly can see your point as well.

So, the point you were driving at is that your school promotes intolerance and discrimination.

(05-12-2012 02:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 02:12 PM)ManzanoWolf Wrote:  Understand that I am not saying I am in favor of Liberty U, but like BYU do they have fans around the nation (??) and/or world (??) that would instantly follow their team and their conference should they be invited at some point . . SBC ??

The Liberty fan will say they do, but that's nothing more than extreme myopia.

Well of course we do, the numbers say we do, especially enrollment numbers. All 50 states, and 70 countries. MT, dont make me regret my last post about you...

(05-12-2012 02:13 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  MTPiKapp, I have a lot of respect for you. Although you do not like Liberty and you do not want them at all, the majority of your posts have been respectful. I am sure if i looked hard enough i could find some but for the most part I like the discussions with you.

I think you guys, if you get an invite somewhere, will do fine, better than some FCS programs that are perceived to be better than you. I don't think you'll have a national fanbase, at least not to the extent most Liberty fans do and I do think there will be a cultural riff no matter where you end up. It is possible that we, as Sun Belt fans, are overemphasizing the potential cultural riff, but I believe it will be there to some extent nonetheless.

I sincerely do wish you guys the best of luck moving forward, because I cannot and will not fault you for simply wanting to see your program continue it's upward momentum. Every fan wants whats best for their program, I'm no different, so I understand where you guys are coming from. If you end up in the Sun Belt, I'll be less than pleased, but at that point, you're one of us and I hope that you guys can contribute every bit as much and more than you guys think you will.

(05-12-2012 02:14 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 02:10 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 02:08 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 02:04 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  So because Romney believes that the definition of marriage is between one man and one woman that means he is a gay basher? I didn't hear him say two guys sword fighting is ridiculous so being gay just doesnt work so only marriage for heteros... thats not what he said, he just said his beliefs just as obama, Funny how you're logic is so crystal clear... if obama can state his beliefs then so can romney.

I actually understand your point, but in Obama's beliefs don't preclude anyone from rights that should be given to all people.

I don't consider saying they don't support same sex marriage gay bashing, but I certainly consider it intolerant and discriminatory.

Thank you, that is all i was driving at. Just because they believe different doesn't make them bashers, although I certainly can see your point as well.

So, the point you were driving at is that your school promotes intolerance and discrimination.

I suppose you could say that Paul, they stand up for what they believe in just as you do.

(05-12-2012 02:00 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 01:36 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 01:27 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  Pssst, Old Dominion hasnt said yes to CUSA yet. So why can't Liberty take their spot if ODU stays in CAA? Problem solved. CUSA's seems to be scheming for money over competitiveness, so that'd be a match made in, well, heaven.

If we add liberty, we'd most certainly lose Rice, Tulane, Tulsa, and perhaps UAB. No way those schools would allow themselves to be associated with a school like liberty.

But what's wrong with them? I think they're just too strong for us and I want to make sure they get the right fit. I still think CUSA is a better fit for them. Rice, Tulsa and Tulane are all private schools so they're similar, right?

Everything is wrong with Liberty. They're dictated by evangelical Christian religious/political thought and ideology rather than scientific pursuit. Here is a quote from their message board:

Quote:I do think that God wants us in FBS, because he wants us to reach the world for Christ. As a University, the football program is one of the torch bearers for the school. If we want to be a high profile force for Jesus, we need the recognition that FBS brings. It's not demanded, but in our world, it is important to be relevant to the culture, and major college football is part of being a major university.

You can easily expand those thoughts to the university as a whole. Their ultimate goal isn't to discover the cure for cancer or other diseases, nor is it to research theoretical physics or any other academic pursuit. Its primary goal is to advance its ideology via its graduates and its programs. And thats not what higher education is about.

Rice & Tulane are major research institutions almost, if not, on par with the Ivy League. Tulsa isn't quite on Rice & Tulane's level, but they're still up there. None of those institutions, really any major institution, would want to degrade their standing via association with Liberty.

(05-12-2012 01:45 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 01:42 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  Just to play Devil's Advocate (too soon?) for a moment here, would anyone here object if BYU were a candidate for SBC membership?

BYU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty

Fifty years from now Liberty will still be a shell of what BYU is.

And yes, I'd probably still object. They have their own set of BS that's a pain in the ass to deal with not to mention their geography, but you might as well be asking what if the Pittsburgh Steelers were a candidate...

I think most fans would accept BYU because they are more prestigious. I guess that's my point, the irony in all this. We "The tolerant" have become intolerant of an emerging school we deem intolerant for teaching things that 75% of the nation adheres to every Sunday but would be tolerant of a nationally reputable football school whose idealogy can't be firmly grasped by 95% of the nation.
Why is Liberty more polarizing than a TCU, SMU, Wake Forest, or Notre Dame? There are hundreds of faith based colleges.
I guess my point is, I have to put the Fallwell stuff aside (he's gone), and look at the school as a whole and where it's headed in the grand scheme. Is having one school teaching creationism and abstinence on campus so bad?

(05-12-2012 02:15 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 02:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 02:12 PM)ManzanoWolf Wrote:  Understand that I am not saying I am in favor of Liberty U, but like BYU do they have fans around the nation (??) and/or world (??) that would instantly follow their team and their conference should they be invited at some point . . SBC ??

The Liberty fan will say they do, but that's nothing more than extreme myopia.

Well of course we do, the numbers say we do, especially enrollment numbers. All 50 states, and 70 countries. MT, dont make me regret my last post about you...

The debate over what relevance online students actually hold and how much you can really hope to achieve being the adopted school of baptist fans everywhere is not one I have the time or energy for at this point.

Suffice it to say, I do not expect even a fourth of those online students to really have anything more than a casual interest in Liberty sports and as I've said before, the highest concentration of Baptists is the smack dab in the middle of SEC country where finding unaffiliated fans is certainly no easy task.

(05-12-2012 02:15 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 02:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 02:12 PM)ManzanoWolf Wrote:  Understand that I am not saying I am in favor of Liberty U, but like BYU do they have fans around the nation (??) and/or world (??) that would instantly follow their team and their conference should they be invited at some point . . SBC ??

The Liberty fan will say they do, but that's nothing more than extreme myopia.

Well of course we do, the numbers say we do, especially enrollment numbers. All 50 states, and 70 countries. MT, dont make me regret my last post about you...

I do not get into the religious arguments . . to each his own . . I have always liked BYU and always follow them to an extent and I am not Mormon . . guess I need to read up on Liberty a bit.

(05-12-2012 02:17 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 02:14 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 02:10 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 02:08 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 02:04 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  So because Romney believes that the definition of marriage is between one man and one woman that means he is a gay basher? I didn't hear him say two guys sword fighting is ridiculous so being gay just doesnt work so only marriage for heteros... thats not what he said, he just said his beliefs just as obama, Funny how you're logic is so crystal clear... if obama can state his beliefs then so can romney.

I actually understand your point, but in Obama's beliefs don't preclude anyone from rights that should be given to all people.

I don't consider saying they don't support same sex marriage gay bashing, but I certainly consider it intolerant and discriminatory.

Thank you, that is all i was driving at. Just because they believe different doesn't make them bashers, although I certainly can see your point as well.

So, the point you were driving at is that your school promotes intolerance and discrimination.

I suppose you could say that Paul, they stand up for what they believe in just as you do.

They stand up for bigotry and hide behind sayings like, "family values, tradition, etc..."

My beliefs don't hinder anyone's freedoms.

(05-12-2012 02:20 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 01:45 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 01:42 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  Just to play Devil's Advocate (too soon?) for a moment here, would anyone here object if BYU were a candidate for SBC membership?

BYU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty

Fifty years from now Liberty will still be a shell of what BYU is.

And yes, I'd probably still object. They have their own set of BS that's a pain in the ass to deal with not to mention their geography, but you might as well be asking what if the Pittsburgh Steelers were a candidate...

I think most fans would accept BYU because they are more prestigious. I guess that's my point, the irony in all this. We "The tolerant" have become intolerant of an emerging school we deem intolerant for teaching things that 75% of the nation adheres to every Sunday but would be tolerant of a nationally reputable football school whose idealogy can't be firmly grasped by 95% of the nation.
Why is Liberty more polarizing than a TCU, SMU, Wake Forest, or Notre Dame? There are hundreds of faith based colleges.
I guess my point is, I have to put the Fallwell stuff aside (he's gone), and look at the school as a whole and where it's headed in the grand scheme. Is having one school teaching creationism and abstinence on campus so bad?

Georgia State you now have a new fan in me

(05-12-2012 02:24 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 02:20 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 01:45 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 01:42 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  Just to play Devil's Advocate (too soon?) for a moment here, would anyone here object if BYU were a candidate for SBC membership?

BYU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty

Fifty years from now Liberty will still be a shell of what BYU is.

And yes, I'd probably still object. They have their own set of BS that's a pain in the ass to deal with not to mention their geography, but you might as well be asking what if the Pittsburgh Steelers were a candidate...

I think most fans would accept BYU because they are more prestigious. I guess that's my point, the irony in all this. We "The tolerant" have become intolerant of an emerging school we deem intolerant for teaching things that 75% of the nation adheres to every Sunday but would be tolerant of a nationally reputable football school whose idealogy can't be firmly grasped by 95% of the nation.
Why is Liberty more polarizing than a TCU, SMU, Wake Forest, or Notre Dame? There are hundreds of faith based colleges.
I guess my point is, I have to put the Fallwell stuff aside (he's gone), and look at the school as a whole and where it's headed in the grand scheme. Is having one school teaching creationism and abstinence on campus so bad?

Georgia State you now have a new fan in me

Have to agree . . that was a good post.

Falwell, along with Liberty University Director of Athletics Jeff Barber and Bill Carr will hold a press conference on Monday to further discuss the findings of the FBS Feasibility study.

The press conference, which will be open to both members of the media and the general public, will be held in the Club Pavilion of the Williams Stadium Tower at 1 p.m. (EST).


If that press conference will be streamed online, I would be interested in listening in . . Liberty fans please post a link if that will be online for all to listen.

(05-12-2012 02:20 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 01:45 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-12-2012 01:42 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  Just to play Devil's Advocate (too soon?) for a moment here, would anyone here object if BYU were a candidate for SBC membership?

BYU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty

Fifty years from now Liberty will still be a shell of what BYU is.

And yes, I'd probably still object. They have their own set of BS that's a pain in the ass to deal with not to mention their geography, but you might as well be asking what if the Pittsburgh Steelers were a candidate...

I think most fans would accept BYU because they are more prestigious. I guess that's my point, the irony in all this. We "The tolerant" have become intolerant of an emerging school we deem intolerant for teaching things that 75% of the nation adheres to every Sunday but would be tolerant of a nationally reputable football school whose idealogy can't be firmly grasped by 95% of the nation.
Why is Liberty more polarizing than a TCU, SMU, Wake Forest, or Notre Dame? There are hundreds of faith based colleges.
I guess my point is, I have to put the Fallwell stuff aside (he's gone), and look at the school as a whole and where it's headed in the grand scheme. Is having one school teaching creationism and abstinence on campus so bad?

Those schools, sans ND are only very loosely affiliated with their founding church and none of them push church ideology on students and are places of academic freedom.

(05-12-2012 02:33 PM)ManzanoWolf Wrote:  Falwell, along with Liberty University Director of Athletics Jeff Barber and Bill Carr will hold a press conference on Monday to further discuss the findings of the FBS Feasibility study.

The press conference, which will be open to both members of the media and the general public, will be held in the Club Pavilion of the Williams Stadium Tower at 1 p.m. (EST).


If that press conference will be streamed online, I would be interested in listening in . . Liberty fans please post a link if that will be online for all to listen.

I think a better link will come monday but it will also be streamed on Liberty Channel just click the watch live to the left. I believe a link will be made live on http://www.libertyflames.com as well