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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-14-2012 07:42 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  
(05-13-2012 10:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't see the point of slobbing the knob of the CUSA at this point. Unless CUSA wants to destroy the Sun Belt by taking stAte, WKU, MTSU and Troy, which they don't, they will only try to dip into the Belt in the case of a future raid. And, who are the most likely teams to be raided by other conferences. I'm assuming ODU will eventually jump to CUSA.

1) East Carolina
2) USM
3) Tulsa
4) Marshall (by MAC - a long shot)

If two of those teams get called up (most likely USM and ECU), I'm not so sure any of the Sun Belt teams would be getting an upgrade with a CUSA move.

I suppose that CUSA could have some opening as a result of perhaps UTEP and UTSA/or UNT moving to the MWC. That would be the worst case scenario for a Sun Belt perspective.

Had the WAC schools stuck together, it would have been the MWC that folded. Instead, every WAC school that got the call, left for the MWC as soon as the phone rang. The same scenario could come into play with the Sun Belt and CUSA. If the remaining Sun Belt schools stuck together, CUSA would have nowhere to look for needed replacements but to FCS programs. That won't be what happens though, as every Sun Belt school will do exactly what the WAC schools did. MT and FAU will jump at CUSA membership as soon as it is offered. I'll be shocked if CUSA goes past 16, but if it does, WKU and ASU will jump at the chance if they're offered.

Actually Utah State refused the MWC several times.

The WAC vs MWC is not exactly comparable to the Sun Belt vs CUSA. First, the Sun Belt is geographically compact, thus providing an advantage to Sun Belt schools over moving to CUSA. Second, the Sun Belt can't be killed off because there are many schools looking to upgrade in our region. We are actually desirable to some.

Without USM and ECU, there really wouldn't be much of a reason for a Sun Belt team to jump (unless its' FAU). I don't think there would be much money in that CUSA. And they wouldn't be able to fill their bowl slots either, so those would go away.
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-13-2012 10:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't see the point of slobbing the knob of the CUSA at this point. Unless CUSA wants to destroy the Sun Belt by taking stAte, WKU, MTSU and Troy, which they don't, they will only try to dip into the Belt in the case of a future raid.

It is funny that you think that is the group they would target.
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-14-2012 10:16 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  
(05-13-2012 10:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't see the point of slobbing the knob of the CUSA at this point. Unless CUSA wants to destroy the Sun Belt by taking stAte, WKU, MTSU and Troy, which they don't, they will only try to dip into the Belt in the case of a future raid.

It is funny that you think that is the group they would target.

Looks right to me.

If the goal was to destroy our conference.

But they will stick with their market strategy.
So I ain't worried.
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
By the way, it looks like CUSA will be getting another 'move up'. It looks like the A-10 just picked VCU. So Old Dominion is much more likely to go to CUSA. That's great news for the Sun Belt, because that would mean one less opportunity for the CUSA to raid us.
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-14-2012 10:23 AM)Dedsquirrl Wrote:  
(05-14-2012 10:16 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  
(05-13-2012 10:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't see the point of slobbing the knob of the CUSA at this point. Unless CUSA wants to destroy the Sun Belt by taking stAte, WKU, MTSU and Troy, which they don't, they will only try to dip into the Belt in the case of a future raid.

It is funny that you think that is the group they would target.

Looks right to me.

If the goal was to destroy our conference.

But they will stick with their market strategy.
So I ain't worried.

They can destroy the ABC simply by taking the teams that will prevent the SBC from ever having a shot at growth, and forcing the SBC to pull-in small market FCS teams.
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Im seeing a trend here on which schools over value "markets..."
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(05-14-2012 10:44 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  
(05-14-2012 10:23 AM)Dedsquirrl Wrote:  
(05-14-2012 10:16 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  
(05-13-2012 10:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't see the point of slobbing the knob of the CUSA at this point. Unless CUSA wants to destroy the Sun Belt by taking stAte, WKU, MTSU and Troy, which they don't, they will only try to dip into the Belt in the case of a future raid.

It is funny that you think that is the group they would target.

Looks right to me.

If the goal was to destroy our conference.

But they will stick with their market strategy.
So I ain't worried.

They can destroy the ABC simply by taking the teams that will prevent the SBC from ever having a shot at growth, and forcing the SBC to pull-in small market FCS teams.

Uh..please don't go down the 'market' route. You're in. Lets compete. UAB is in a big market. And they suck. So is Rice. Markets only matter if you can deliver it.
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(05-14-2012 10:44 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  They can destroy the ABC simply by taking the teams that will prevent the SBC from ever having a shot at growth, and forcing the SBC to pull-in small market FCS teams.

I love how some of these GState fans come in here and after 3 weeks think they know what is best for our conference. The "market value" bubble is going to bust soon. I am glad we have a team in Atlanta now. Not because of the market, but because it will be a fun trip and an easy win.
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RE: CUSA Cont. Expansion
(05-14-2012 10:23 AM)Dedsquirrl Wrote:  
(05-14-2012 10:16 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  
(05-13-2012 10:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't see the point of slobbing the knob of the CUSA at this point. Unless CUSA wants to destroy the Sun Belt by taking stAte, WKU, MTSU and Troy, which they don't, they will only try to dip into the Belt in the case of a future raid.

It is funny that you think that is the group they would target.

Looks right to me.

If the goal was to destroy our conference.

But they will stick with their market strategy.
So I ain't worried.

they would take astate and usl (u-laf)..those are the 2 biggest names left..
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Georgia State fans just can't resist dropping the words "market-size" into every conversation. StAte, WKU, MTSU, Troy, and Louisiana are the backbone of the SBC. FAU is quickly joining that group.
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(05-14-2012 02:31 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  Georgia State fans just can't resist dropping the words "market-size" into every conversation. StAte, WKU, MTSU, Troy, and Louisiana are the backbone of the SBC. FAU is quickly joining that group.

In football FAU is in that group. Have done more than Louisiana and WKU for sure.
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(05-14-2012 10:48 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Uh..please don't go down the 'market' route. You're in. Lets compete. UAB is in a big market. And they suck. So is Rice. Markets only matter if you can deliver it.

It's all about winning in the end.
If those teams don't start winning, the contracts will be re-worked....as no one wants to see perennial losers play....no matter where they are located.
Who wants to see a bunch of UTEP's play every weekend?
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(05-14-2012 02:34 PM)Ragu Wrote:  
(05-14-2012 02:31 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  Georgia State fans just can't resist dropping the words "market-size" into every conversation. StAte, WKU, MTSU, Troy, and Louisiana are the backbone of the SBC. FAU is quickly joining that group.

In football FAU is in that group. Have done more than Louisiana and WKU for sure.

I'd agree, good facilities, Pelini was a good hire, not far from Miami, good baseball team. Last couple years under Coach Howard weren't good however. Still relatively new to SBC.
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(05-14-2012 02:39 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  
(05-14-2012 02:34 PM)Ragu Wrote:  
(05-14-2012 02:31 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  Georgia State fans just can't resist dropping the words "market-size" into every conversation. StAte, WKU, MTSU, Troy, and Louisiana are the backbone of the SBC. FAU is quickly joining that group.

In football FAU is in that group. Have done more than Louisiana and WKU for sure.

I'd agree, good facilities, Pelini was a good hire, not far from Miami, good baseball team. Last couple years under Coach Howard weren't good however. Still relatively new to SBC.

The guy did a lot to start us up and everything so I can see the argument for letting him coach in the stadium that he helped to build. Coach stayed a few years past his usefulness but it was a classy thing to let him see it through. Now it is time to rebuild and move forward.
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(05-14-2012 11:15 AM)TrojanNation Wrote:  
(05-14-2012 10:44 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  They can destroy the ABC simply by taking the teams that will prevent the SBC from ever having a shot at growth, and forcing the SBC to pull-in small market FCS teams.

I love how some of these GState fans come in here and after 3 weeks think they know what is best for our conference. The "market value" bubble is going to bust soon. I am glad we have a team in Atlanta now. Not because of the market, but because it will be a fun trip and an easy win.
(05-14-2012 02:31 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  Georgia State fans just can't resist dropping the words "market-size" into every conversation. StAte, WKU, MTSU, Troy, and Louisiana are the backbone of the SBC. FAU is quickly joining that group.

Riiiight. So the self-proclaimed "backbone" of the SBC is what CUSA should go after if it wants to kill-off the SBC? So I guess if they took those schools the rest of us would just fold-up shop and go away? Interesting.

I think my initial statement was more correct than that fantasy - which is almost a bigger fantasy than the idea that the SBC can be better than CUSA by "sticking together". It doesn't mater who CUSA takes, as long as they take enough teams to force the SBC to scrape the bottom of the barrel and beyond to replenish itself. Given that, CUSA would take the teams that best suit its goals and ambitions (whoever that may be, but it won't include Troy) and let the rest of the Sun Belt once again try to rebuild.

As for knowing what is best for the SBC - I have no idea what is best for a conference that would rather cling to a limited footprint than maximize its income, and deride bigger budgets and markets as not being a good "cultural fit" with the conference - I'll leave that to you experts.
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(05-14-2012 02:31 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  Georgia State fans just can't resist dropping the words "market-size" into every conversation. StAte, WKU, MTSU, Troy, and Louisiana are the backbone of the SBC. FAU is quickly joining that group.

I'd rather have teams that can win and deliver their market. Hey Ga State, please stop with the market stuff. Just go out and win some games. And please don't be UAB.
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(05-14-2012 02:37 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  
(05-14-2012 10:48 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Uh..please don't go down the 'market' route. You're in. Lets compete. UAB is in a big market. And they suck. So is Rice. Markets only matter if you can deliver it.

It's all about winning in the end.
If those teams don't start winning, the contracts will be re-worked....as no one wants to see perennial losers play....no matter where they are located.
Who wants to see a bunch of UTEP's play every weekend?

Really not the best clowning on C-USA reference you could have used. I would have gone with a bunch of UAB's, or Rice's, or Tulane's, or even Memphis's.
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(05-14-2012 03:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Really not the best clowning on C-USA reference you could have used. I would have gone with a bunch of UAB's, or Rice's, or Tulane's, or even Memphis's.

I agree...the list is fairly long.
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