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RE: SBC next move
(05-07-2012 02:37 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 02:26 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 02:05 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 02:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 01:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  With all due respect. I have always respected your arguments. You and I have always disagreed. I can not help that you are short sighted and can't see past your pompous nose. The truth is that this is a message board used to share thoughts, concerns and enthusiam about the SBC. You don't like my post because you can't handle the truth! 04-chairshot

If disagreeing with your posts means I can't handle the truth than neither can the rest of the board. On 9 out of 10 of your hairbrained schemes, you're all alone, you have members of your own fanbase giving disclaimers about your posts.

I like you because you stick to your guns, crazy as those guns may be.

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Well thank you partner! And if you can show me where anyone predicted UTA six months ago, I will buy you a cigar!

Six months ago, no predicted UT-A because the WAC was still intact and they had just announced their WAC intentions, but there was discussion about what to do about UALR and how to balance them out, be it adding a football only, adding another non-football, letting them be the only non-football or hoping they find a new home.

As soon as it became clear that the majority of the WAC were departing for CUSA/MWC/SBC UT-A made perfect sense and I did mention them before any official talk began, stating that while it might be a bit strange that it would push UALR to the east, the Mavs are just too obvious of a solution to the balance problems.

As we exist today and likely will exist for the next four or five years there is no reason to add another non-football. If we invite UNF today we'd have three non-football schools for at least 2013,2014 and 2015 and that's assuming UTA gets the ball rolling on football very soon.

You can believe whatever you want about who we should and shouldn't add as full members, but there is absolutely zero incentive to adding a non-football member after UTA as long as UTA and UALR are both in the conference and not playing football.

Oh I get it. You like to wait to some one kicks you before you move. That is not going to work man. Ask the BE.

What the hell are you talking about? Who is coming after UALR or UTA? Non-football members should be considered separate from the rest of the bunch. I didn't say stop the realignment train, I didn't say don't add App State or Georgia Southern or Lamar or Alaska Anchorage or whoever you're pimping this week, all I said is there is zero incentive to adding another non-football member anytime soon and if you can't see that, you're view on realignment is more warped than I thought.

In your opinion, what does adding UNF accomplish?
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the university of north flarda had matt killcullen as a basketball coach and considers him the 'father of hoops'

that alone removes them from consideration.
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RE: SBC next move
(05-07-2012 02:49 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 02:37 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 02:26 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 02:05 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 02:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  If disagreeing with your posts means I can't handle the truth than neither can the rest of the board. On 9 out of 10 of your hairbrained schemes, you're all alone, you have members of your own fanbase giving disclaimers about your posts.

I like you because you stick to your guns, crazy as those guns may be.

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Well thank you partner! And if you can show me where anyone predicted UTA six months ago, I will buy you a cigar!

Six months ago, no predicted UT-A because the WAC was still intact and they had just announced their WAC intentions, but there was discussion about what to do about UALR and how to balance them out, be it adding a football only, adding another non-football, letting them be the only non-football or hoping they find a new home.

As soon as it became clear that the majority of the WAC were departing for CUSA/MWC/SBC UT-A made perfect sense and I did mention them before any official talk began, stating that while it might be a bit strange that it would push UALR to the east, the Mavs are just too obvious of a solution to the balance problems.

As we exist today and likely will exist for the next four or five years there is no reason to add another non-football. If we invite UNF today we'd have three non-football schools for at least 2013,2014 and 2015 and that's assuming UTA gets the ball rolling on football very soon.

You can believe whatever you want about who we should and shouldn't add as full members, but there is absolutely zero incentive to adding a non-football member after UTA as long as UTA and UALR are both in the conference and not playing football.

Oh I get it. You like to wait to some one kicks you before you move. That is not going to work man. Ask the BE.

What the hell are you talking about? Who is coming after UALR or UTA? Non-football members should be considered separate from the rest of the bunch. I didn't say stop the realignment train, I didn't say don't add App State or Georgia Southern or Lamar or Alaska Anchorage or whoever you're pimping this week, all I said is there is zero incentive to adding another non-football member anytime soon and if you can't see that, you're view on realignment is more warped than I thought.

In your opinion, what does adding UNF accomplish?

1. UNF adds a Florida rival for FAU to help grow their program.

2. Adds another close rival for Ga State and Ga Southern which creates alot of local talk.

3. Jacksonville is a nice market that has military retirees like San Antonio. There will be no problems scheduling Navy. The population of Greater Jacksonville Metropolitan area is 1,345,596.

4. Easy to get to by air.

5. UNF is growing with 16,719 students which would make it the 4th largest school in the current SBC minus Tex state and Ga state.

That is my top five reasons.
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(05-07-2012 03:01 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  the university of north flarda had matt killcullen as a basketball coach and considers him the 'father of hoops'

that alone removes them from consideration.

LOL!
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(05-07-2012 03:12 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 02:49 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 02:37 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 02:26 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 02:05 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Well thank you partner! And if you can show me where anyone predicted UTA six months ago, I will buy you a cigar!

Six months ago, no predicted UT-A because the WAC was still intact and they had just announced their WAC intentions, but there was discussion about what to do about UALR and how to balance them out, be it adding a football only, adding another non-football, letting them be the only non-football or hoping they find a new home.

As soon as it became clear that the majority of the WAC were departing for CUSA/MWC/SBC UT-A made perfect sense and I did mention them before any official talk began, stating that while it might be a bit strange that it would push UALR to the east, the Mavs are just too obvious of a solution to the balance problems.

As we exist today and likely will exist for the next four or five years there is no reason to add another non-football. If we invite UNF today we'd have three non-football schools for at least 2013,2014 and 2015 and that's assuming UTA gets the ball rolling on football very soon.

You can believe whatever you want about who we should and shouldn't add as full members, but there is absolutely zero incentive to adding a non-football member after UTA as long as UTA and UALR are both in the conference and not playing football.

Oh I get it. You like to wait to some one kicks you before you move. That is not going to work man. Ask the BE.

What the hell are you talking about? Who is coming after UALR or UTA? Non-football members should be considered separate from the rest of the bunch. I didn't say stop the realignment train, I didn't say don't add App State or Georgia Southern or Lamar or Alaska Anchorage or whoever you're pimping this week, all I said is there is zero incentive to adding another non-football member anytime soon and if you can't see that, you're view on realignment is more warped than I thought.

In your opinion, what does adding UNF accomplish?

1. UNF adds a Florida rival for FAU to help grow their program.

2. Adds another close rival for Ga State and Ga Southern which creates alot of local talk.

3. Jacksonville is a nice market that has military retirees like San Antonio. There will be no problems scheduling Navy. The population of Greater Jacksonville Metropolitan area is 1,345,596.

4. Easy to get to by air.

5. UNF is growing with 16,719 students which would make it the 4th largest school in the current SBC minus Tex state and Ga state.

That is my top five reasons.

All well and good, except we have no need for a third non-football member. Your argument would be better received if it was for UNF instead of UTA rather than in addition to.
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(05-07-2012 03:15 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 03:12 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 02:49 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 02:37 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 02:26 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Six months ago, no predicted UT-A because the WAC was still intact and they had just announced their WAC intentions, but there was discussion about what to do about UALR and how to balance them out, be it adding a football only, adding another non-football, letting them be the only non-football or hoping they find a new home.

As soon as it became clear that the majority of the WAC were departing for CUSA/MWC/SBC UT-A made perfect sense and I did mention them before any official talk began, stating that while it might be a bit strange that it would push UALR to the east, the Mavs are just too obvious of a solution to the balance problems.

As we exist today and likely will exist for the next four or five years there is no reason to add another non-football. If we invite UNF today we'd have three non-football schools for at least 2013,2014 and 2015 and that's assuming UTA gets the ball rolling on football very soon.

You can believe whatever you want about who we should and shouldn't add as full members, but there is absolutely zero incentive to adding a non-football member after UTA as long as UTA and UALR are both in the conference and not playing football.

Oh I get it. You like to wait to some one kicks you before you move. That is not going to work man. Ask the BE.

What the hell are you talking about? Who is coming after UALR or UTA? Non-football members should be considered separate from the rest of the bunch. I didn't say stop the realignment train, I didn't say don't add App State or Georgia Southern or Lamar or Alaska Anchorage or whoever you're pimping this week, all I said is there is zero incentive to adding another non-football member anytime soon and if you can't see that, you're view on realignment is more warped than I thought.

In your opinion, what does adding UNF accomplish?

1. UNF adds a Florida rival for FAU to help grow their program.

2. Adds another close rival for Ga State and Ga Southern which creates alot of local talk.

3. Jacksonville is a nice market that has military retirees like San Antonio. There will be no problems scheduling Navy. The population of Greater Jacksonville Metropolitan area is 1,345,596.

4. Easy to get to by air.

5. UNF is growing with 16,719 students which would make it the 4th largest school in the current SBC minus Tex state and Ga state.

That is my top five reasons.

All well and good, except we have no need for a third non-football member. Your argument would be better received if it was for UNF instead of UTA rather than in addition to.

Who knew that UTA was being considered and then invited? I think Benson was stuck on this before he was the commish.
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(05-07-2012 03:17 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 03:15 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 03:12 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 02:49 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 02:37 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Oh I get it. You like to wait to some one kicks you before you move. That is not going to work man. Ask the BE.

What the hell are you talking about? Who is coming after UALR or UTA? Non-football members should be considered separate from the rest of the bunch. I didn't say stop the realignment train, I didn't say don't add App State or Georgia Southern or Lamar or Alaska Anchorage or whoever you're pimping this week, all I said is there is zero incentive to adding another non-football member anytime soon and if you can't see that, you're view on realignment is more warped than I thought.

In your opinion, what does adding UNF accomplish?

1. UNF adds a Florida rival for FAU to help grow their program.

2. Adds another close rival for Ga State and Ga Southern which creates alot of local talk.

3. Jacksonville is a nice market that has military retirees like San Antonio. There will be no problems scheduling Navy. The population of Greater Jacksonville Metropolitan area is 1,345,596.

4. Easy to get to by air.

5. UNF is growing with 16,719 students which would make it the 4th largest school in the current SBC minus Tex state and Ga state.

That is my top five reasons.

All well and good, except we have no need for a third non-football member. Your argument would be better received if it was for UNF instead of UTA rather than in addition to.

Who knew that UTA was being considered and then invited? I think Benson was stuck on this before he was the commish.

Again UTA made sense from a numbers perspective as they balanced UALR, not to mention they were in danger of being a conference orphan with the WAC crumbling.

I'll tell you right now, I know next to nothing about UNF and will continue to do so until a time comes that they are relevant to us and that will only be if we find ourselves in need of another non-football member, or they get serious about adding football and even then they just go into the pot of possible candidates.

There is ZERO reason to go beyond 2 non-football playing members.
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I think we should Add WGTU..(West Georgia Tech University) The golden Knights...01-wingedeagle
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I want to pose a question about UNF.

Were they known as Jacksonville in their beginning? A University that at one time was a part of the Sun Belt......when Artis Gilmore played basketball there. I couldn't find anything that supports my feelings about UNF, but I believe this could be the case.

Someone help me out on this long ago memory?
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Sorry about that. Chased down the answer for myself. They are two separate campuses and Universities. Possibly only some fifteen to thirty miles apart. Jacksonville is on the St John's river. UNF is south and east of there on 1300 acres, a short distance from Jacksonville Beach.
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(05-07-2012 12:47 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  It is starting to look worse than I expected. Now it is starting to look like we are loosing MT the next iteration of expansion drafts. This would be bad for the SBC.

UNT and FIU are gone. We picked up Georgia State which I wanted. I am disappointed in not getting UTSA or UNCC. Instead we have Texas State and Texas Arlington which does not have a football program

With the addition of UTA we need to open our eyes and start talks with the University of North Florida. They do not have a football team now but would be seen as great addition to the SBC when they do add football. I do not think that UALR will add football.

Add UNF to give FAU an instate rival and travel partner

East:

App
FAU
Ga State
Georgia Southern
MT
UNF
Troy


West:

ASU
UALR
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ULM
USA
TxSt
UTA
WKU

no. one cheesey florida school is enough...
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(05-07-2012 10:25 PM)EAGLEJAG65 Wrote:  I want to pose a question about UNF.

Were they known as Jacksonville in their beginning? A University that at one time was a part of the Sun Belt......when Artis Gilmore played basketball there. I couldn't find anything that supports my feelings about UNF, but I believe this could be the case.

Someone help me out on this long ago memory?

No. The Jacksonville Dolphins (where Artis played) are currently the crosstown rival to UNF, coached by Cliff Warren. A few years back he took them from 1-26 to a winning record. Currently, JU/UNF play what's called the River City Rumble series in all sports, and as conference mates it helps with the rivalry that nobody knows about. JU does play non-scholarship FCS football, with no real desire to move to scholarship football though I suspect if UNF were to add a program, they would atleast look at it.
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(05-10-2012 12:21 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  
(05-07-2012 10:25 PM)EAGLEJAG65 Wrote:  I want to pose a question about UNF.

Were they known as Jacksonville in their beginning? A University that at one time was a part of the Sun Belt......when Artis Gilmore played basketball there. I couldn't find anything that supports my feelings about UNF, but I believe this could be the case.

Someone help me out on this long ago memory?

No. The Jacksonville Dolphins (where Artis played) are currently the crosstown rival to UNF, coached by Cliff Warren. A few years back he took them from 1-26 to a winning record. Currently, JU/UNF play what's called the River City Rumble series in all sports, and as conference mates it helps with the rivalry that nobody knows about. JU does play non-scholarship FCS football, with no real desire to move to scholarship football though I suspect if UNF were to add a program, they would atleast look at it.
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If UWF and FGCU add football it will be hard for UNF not to start a program. It would be the only state university not to have a team.

They would have an easier time starting due to the cross town FCS rival. In addition, Valdosta State is less than two hours away. Plus it is about 2hrs 40 minutes from Ga Southern.
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Yeah really, don't believe that the belt is going to add some school like that when they are so slow to do anything that they should rename the conference the new rust belt. They should have grabbed App State and said thank you lord. Then turned around and either offerred Georgia South or admit them for a year or two down the road if they have something to work on financially. Then make an offer to JMU.
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(05-10-2012 01:08 PM)KingKong Wrote:  Yeah really, don't believe that the belt is going to add some school like that when they are so slow to do anything that they should rename the conference the new rust belt. They should have grabbed App State and said thank you lord. Then turned around and either offerred Georgia South or admit them for a year or two down the road if they have something to work on financially. Then make an offer to JMU.

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(05-10-2012 01:40 PM)GaSouthern Wrote:  
(05-10-2012 01:08 PM)KingKong Wrote:  Yeah really, don't believe that the belt is going to add some school like that when they are so slow to do anything that they should rename the conference the new rust belt. They should have grabbed App State and said thank you lord. Then turned around and either offerred Georgia South or admit them for a year or two down the road if they have something to work on financially. Then make an offer to JMU.

Hang around through this summer and you may be happy.

KingKong is definitely a Fall/Winter bloke so yeah he will be happy.
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