(05-03-2012 02:58 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 02:49 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 01:16 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  And to that opinion you are 100% entitled. I would explain how you are wrong, but I am sure it would be a considerable waste of breath on a Biologist. So, I would like to focus on our feasability as a FBS Athletics program. In that regard, we are on the rise, ready to go, and I feel confident we will be competetive in the short term.

As a gay man, I'd question whether I'd even be allowed on your campus to cheer for my team. And yes, unlike stereotypes of us, some of us follow sports and our teams where we went to college. I know we arent admitted (not really a loss) or welcome as faculty or employees. Are we even allowed on campus? As visitors? That's how little trust I have. And yes, Im saying this being from ALABAMA. Where I'm treated just fine by everyone.

Wow, complaints about stereotypes in a post that is one big frickin' stereotype. Congratulations for having pulled that one off!

Since mtsufan561 didn't have the courage to enter the conversation, but instead just gave me a negative rating for the above comment, I will point out that the stereotype was the insinuation that Liberty has some sort of "Gaydar" that they use to keep gays off their campus for sporting events.

Tolerance works both ways gentlemen.

(05-04-2012 11:05 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 02:58 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 02:49 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 01:16 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  

Wow, complaints about stereotypes in a post that is one big frickin' stereotype. Congratulations for having pulled that one off!

Since mtsufan561 didn't have the courage to enter the conversation, but instead just gave me a negative rating for the above comment, I will point out that the stereotype was the insinuation that Liberty has some sort of "Gaydar" that they use to keep gays off their campus for sporting events.

Tolerance works both ways gentlemen.

Obviously Im not insinuating that Liberty has some sort of gaydar. What I am stating is that they are discriminatory and questioning how far that goes. I don't typically show myself at football games or generally but if I choose to do so, within reason, it wouldnt be a problem for the institution at any other FBS school (save BYU) or stated FBS candidate. Plus, Im not a fan of trying to conceal my life and relationships and I wonder why I should tell anyone Im with to hide who I am and dont let it slip or we could get kicked out of the stadium. Liberty is what they are on this issue and others. I'm not asking them to change. I just don't want to be associated with them nor do I wish my university to be associated with those who are trying to get me to alter my private life to accomodate them. There are other Liberty issues that others have raised. I dont want to be associated with them and dont want them in the conference when, my issues notwithstanding, there are better candidates who don't engage in discriminatory behavior. My take is they should join another conference or stay in the Big South which doesn't share my concerns or those raised by others.

Admitting Liberty would limit the schools who would want or agree to associate with us in the future.

(05-04-2012 06:13 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(05-04-2012 11:05 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 02:58 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 02:49 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 01:16 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  

Wow, complaints about stereotypes in a post that is one big frickin' stereotype. Congratulations for having pulled that one off!

Since mtsufan561 didn't have the courage to enter the conversation, but instead just gave me a negative rating for the above comment, I will point out that the stereotype was the insinuation that Liberty has some sort of "Gaydar" that they use to keep gays off their campus for sporting events.

Tolerance works both ways gentlemen.

Obviously Im not insinuating that Liberty has some sort of gaydar. What I am stating is that they are discriminatory and questioning how far that goes. I don't typically show myself at football games or generally but if I choose to do so, within reason, it wouldnt be a problem for the institution at any other FBS school (save BYU) or stated FBS candidate. Plus, Im not a fan of trying to conceal my life and relationships and I wonder why I should tell anyone Im with to hide who I am and dont let it slip or we could get kicked out of the stadium. Liberty is what they are on this issue and others. I'm not asking them to change. I just don't want to be associated with them nor do I wish my university to be associated with those who are trying to get me to alter my private life to accomodate them. There are other Liberty issues that others have raised. I dont want to be associated with them and dont want them in the conference when, my issues notwithstanding, there are better candidates who don't engage in discriminatory behavior. My take is they should join another conference or stay in the Big South which doesn't share my concerns or those raised by others.

Admitting Liberty would limit the schools who would want or agree to associate with us in the future.

No one would kick you out of the stadium. I am sure you would get looks here and there but that would happen everywhere. Let me put it this way, Liberty is not trying to get you to alter your private life to accomodate them, its more like this... Penn from Penn and Teller, the vegas guys said it best, when asked about Christians and if he gets upset when people 'witness' to him. His response was "No, if they truly believed the only way to heaven was through Jesus and they didn't tell me, they'd be a dick, so no i don't get mad I just listen and then I walk away." So it's not that LU wants you to change for them, it's that they believe that lifestyle to be wrong based off the bible. I get that it turns people off though. I think once we are in the same conference (hopefully) than you will LOVE to HATE us, more rivalry. Keep your friends close but your enemies closer right?

(05-04-2012 11:05 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 02:58 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(05-03-2012 02:49 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  As a gay man, I'd question whether I'd even be allowed on your campus to cheer for my team. And yes, unlike stereotypes of us, some of us follow sports and our teams where we went to college. I know we arent admitted (not really a loss) or welcome as faculty or employees. Are we even allowed on campus? As visitors? That's how little trust I have. And yes, Im saying this being from ALABAMA. Where I'm treated just fine by everyone.

Wow, complaints about stereotypes in a post that is one big frickin' stereotype. Congratulations for having pulled that one off!

Since mtsufan561 didn't have the courage to enter the conversation, but instead just gave me a negative rating for the above comment, I will point out that the stereotype was the insinuation that Liberty has some sort of "Gaydar" that they use to keep gays off their campus for sporting events.

Tolerance works both ways gentlemen.

I didn't want to get into it with you in this thread, but I suppose I'll do it publicly now that you're going to go ahead and say I don't have courage. Don't think you've been around here long enough to get some of the rules of the game. Anyway... what I said to you was "Liberty is the brainchild of historically anti-gay Jerry Falwell, not a stereotype. This university IS anti-gay, and there's reason to complain." I'm not saying that the "stereotype" is right or not, what I'm saying is that there is an anti-gay stigma around Liberty University. Can't really deny it, that's just how it is. You can't say "That's such a stereotype!" when a member of the group discriminated against raises concerns. I don't really think they'd employ measures to keep out "sinful" guests (I don't know what Liberty says in the regard to non-Christians and whoever). There's a stigma against Liberty, and you can't really complain when someone who is affected by that stigma raises concerns. I believe the point Tom made was a questioning of whether certain guests, in this case LGBT guests, would be openly welcomed to Liberty. I hope that as a Christian university, such guests would be openly welcomed, but I don't know enough about the university (nor have I ever visited LU) to make a judgement one way or the other.

My point was that you calling Tom stereotypical for not trusting the openness of Liberty to visitors who don't follow their ideals (i.e. gays, non-Christians, etc.) isn't really uncalled for - they've got a history of not really being friendly towards gays. Again, I'm not saying that "stereotype" you're talking about is right (or that it's real at all). I'd hope that any university at the Division I level would be open-minded enough to accept any guests to their university, as they are - guests. And I believe that they do nearly all the time. Liberty22 proves my point rather well, admitting that there is a certain coolness about gays but not that it's overwhelmingly hateful. In any case, Liberty deserves a good look, but it's the presidents who make the decisions - so I guess anything can happen.

And - this thread isn't the place to have debates over stereotypes. That's the Spin Room.