http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2012/05...ealignment

"Over the past several weeks, President Nellis and director of athletics Rob Spear have worked actively to advocate for the University during this recent shift in conference realignment. We are disappointed in the recent changes that are driven not by tradition, academic quality, competitiveness, or the student experience, but by money.

... "We believe our strong presence in the Northwest media markets is being overlooked during this crucial evaluation period. We are a presence in both the Spokane and Boise media markets, which extends our reach throughout the entire Inland Northwest."

I get that they're saying what they need to say, but

(05-02-2012 12:58 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2012/05...ealignment

"Over the past several weeks, President Nellis and director of athletics Rob Spear have worked actively to advocate for the University during this recent shift in conference realignment. We are disappointed in the recent changes that are driven not by tradition, academic quality, competitiveness, or the student experience, but by money.

... "We believe our strong presence in the Northwest media markets is being overlooked during this crucial evaluation period. We are a presence in both the Spokane and Boise media markets, which extends our reach throughout the entire Inland Northwest."

I get that they're saying what they need to say, but

Basically just gave us every reason to say no to them. I dont think the SBC cares much about the Spokane and Boise markets.

Its sad for them but they did have 20 or so years to build a FBS stadium...

If Idaho can't get in somewhere they will go Independent, play BYU, ND Boise St and a bunch of money games.

Idaho, coming to a homecoming near you.

(05-02-2012 12:59 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 12:58 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2012/05...ealignment

"Over the past several weeks, President Nellis and director of athletics Rob Spear have worked actively to advocate for the University during this recent shift in conference realignment. We are disappointed in the recent changes that are driven not by tradition, academic quality, competitiveness, or the student experience, but by money.

... "We believe our strong presence in the Northwest media markets is being overlooked during this crucial evaluation period. We are a presence in both the Spokane and Boise media markets, which extends our reach throughout the entire Inland Northwest."

I get that they're saying what they need to say, but

Basically just gave us every reason to say no to them. I dont think the SBC cares much about the Spokane and Boise markets.

Nor that they actually hold any substantive portion of those markets. That would be like South saying we have a presence in the Birmingham market. Sure, we probably have some fans and alumni living up there that actively pull for the Jags, but you'd be kidding yourself if you thought that was anything other than owned by Alabama.

(05-02-2012 01:03 PM)Usajags Wrote:  If Idaho can't get in somewhere they will go Independent, play BYU, ND Boise St and a bunch of money games.

Idaho, coming to a homecoming near you.

They will be lucky to get 4 home games a year including 2 FCS teams.

Who knows though. Playing 6 money games a year could give them more money than the WAC did.

Of course the FIRST FBS team that will play @ Idaho as an indy is NIU...

(05-02-2012 01:03 PM)Usajags Wrote:  If Idaho can't get in somewhere they will go Independent, play BYU, ND Boise St and a bunch of money games.

Idaho, coming to a homecoming near you.

They won't be able to afford money games. They'll have to try to schedule a lot of 2-1, 3-1 deals. And scheduling an Indy schedule these days would be damn near impossible if your name isn't Notre Dame. They'll be practically forced to move down. Sucks for them, but at least there are several FCS conferences around them though that play some decent ball.

(05-02-2012 01:07 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 01:03 PM)Usajags Wrote:  If Idaho can't get in somewhere they will go Independent, play BYU, ND Boise St and a bunch of money games.

Idaho, coming to a homecoming near you.

They won't be able to afford money games. They'll have to try to schedule a lot of 2-1, 3-1 deals. And scheduling an Indy schedule these days would be damn near impossible if your name isn't Notre Dame. They'll be practically forced to move down. Sucks for them, but at least there are several FCS conferences around them though that play some decent ball.

With all the moving going on now they wont have a problem scheduling 1 additional FBS team along with 2 FCS teams at home for 2013. They then have to fill out the rest of their schedule with money or series games.

I wonder what happens to the money Idaho gets from the BCS thru the WAC.

(05-02-2012 01:17 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 01:07 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 01:03 PM)Usajags Wrote:  If Idaho can't get in somewhere they will go Independent, play BYU, ND Boise St and a bunch of money games.

Idaho, coming to a homecoming near you.

They won't be able to afford money games. They'll have to try to schedule a lot of 2-1, 3-1 deals. And scheduling an Indy schedule these days would be damn near impossible if your name isn't Notre Dame. They'll be practically forced to move down. Sucks for them, but at least there are several FCS conferences around them though that play some decent ball.

With all the moving going on now they wont have a problem scheduling 1 additional FBS team along with 2 FCS teams at home for 2013. They then have to fill out the rest of their schedule with money or series games.

I wonder what happens to the money Idaho gets from the BCS thru the WAC.

It's one thing to schedule 3 or 4 OOC games, whether they be FBS or FCS, but quite another to try to replace what would have been a full conference slate with another 8 games against random opponenets.

Regardless of the moving around, they'll have a difficult time scheduling that many opponents without the help of a "league schedule." And to do so, they would likely have to travel all over the country. When you're in an extreme corner, that spells bad news.

(05-02-2012 01:27 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  It's one thing to schedule 3 or 4 OOC games, whether they be FBS or FCS, but quite another to try to replace what would have been a full conference slate with another 8 games against random opponenets.

Regardless of the moving around, they'll have a difficult time scheduling that many opponents without the help of a "league schedule." And to do so, they would likely have to travel all over the country. When you're in an extreme corner, that spells bad news.

They have 5 FBS teams scheduled now for 2013. No biggy to schedule 2 FCS teams at home. At that point they only need 4 more games to get to 11 (NCAA minimum). BYU needs a late season game. It is likley that NM St will need a game (if they stay FBS). Utah St now has a spot open for 2013 and they are a natural fit to give Idaho a 1-1. Then there is always the random MAC team that seems to get a last min pull out leaving an open game in their schedule.

What if... The WAC (Idaho/NM St) brings up Montana, Montana St, EWU, ND St, ND & UNI. All decent FCS teams that would move up together. The only down side would be that they have to travel to NM St.

I think the NCAA would put a 4 year ban on bringing up FCS teams after that.

(05-02-2012 03:42 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  I think the NCAA would put a 4 year ban on bringing up FCS teams after that.

I'm surprised they haven't closed that door yet.

(05-02-2012 03:50 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 03:42 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  I think the NCAA would put a 4 year ban on bringing up FCS teams after that.

I'm surprised they haven't closed that door yet.

The NCAA can't force a program to be Div.2,or FCS,or FBS. Thats up to the individual programs. But I do think a lot of programs should not be FBS programs.

Idaho needs to get with the Montanas and the Dakotas and just try to form a new FCS conference.

(05-02-2012 03:42 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 01:27 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  It's one thing to schedule 3 or 4 OOC games, whether they be FBS or FCS, but quite another to try to replace what would have been a full conference slate with another 8 games against random opponenets.

Regardless of the moving around, they'll have a difficult time scheduling that many opponents without the help of a "league schedule." And to do so, they would likely have to travel all over the country. When you're in an extreme corner, that spells bad news.

They have 5 FBS teams scheduled now for 2013. No biggy to schedule 2 FCS teams at home. At that point they only need 4 more games to get to 11 (NCAA minimum). BYU needs a late season game. It is likley that NM St will need a game (if they stay FBS). Utah St now has a spot open for 2013 and they are a natural fit to give Idaho a 1-1. Then there is always the random MAC team that seems to get a last min pull out leaving an open game in their schedule.

What if... The WAC (Idaho/NM St) brings up Montana, Montana St, EWU, ND St, ND & UNI. All decent FCS teams that would move up together. The only down side would be that they have to travel to NM St.

I think the NCAA would put a 4 year ban on bringing up FCS teams after that.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/wac/idaho-vandals.php

You're talking about one year (and, at that, I only see 4 games scheduled for 2013). 3 games in 2014. 1 in each of 2015, 2016, and 2017.

On top of that, you have at least 5 other schools that are moving from FBS to FCS over the next year or two that are going to further gobble up possible OOC matchups. So, it might be doable for 2013 if what you say is true, but I don't see it after that.

And just to give you an idea, we already have games scheduled through 2021, and we've yet to play a full FBS schedule yet. Take a look at ours. Scheduling OOC FBS games on one or two years notice is the exception, not the norm.

(05-02-2012 04:02 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 03:50 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 03:42 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  I think the NCAA would put a 4 year ban on bringing up FCS teams after that.

I'm surprised they haven't closed that door yet.

The NCAA can't force a program to be Div.2,or FCS,or FBS. Thats up to the individual programs. But I do think a lot of programs should not be FBS programs.

That's not what they said.

And the NCAA has effectively put a limit move ups by requiring an existing conference invitation for a program to move up, and limiting independent play.

(05-02-2012 04:02 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  The NCAA can't force a program to be Div.2,or FCS,or FBS. Thats up to the individual programs. But I do think a lot of programs should not be FBS programs.

Funny that comment came from a hog. Did you forget what happened to us?
No...the NCAA may not do it, but the AQ conferences/members can propose a way of shutting the doors.

I'd like to see Idaho and NMST make a go of it as an independent at least temporarily, but I don't see how they could get enough games scheduled. Plus, how many teams will want to schedule a team that is currently FBS but might be FCS by the time you play them?

(05-02-2012 01:07 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 01:03 PM)Usajags Wrote:  If Idaho can't get in somewhere they will go Independent, play BYU, ND Boise St and a bunch of money games.

Idaho, coming to a homecoming near you.

They won't be able to afford money games. They'll have to try to schedule a lot of 2-1, 3-1 deals. And scheduling an Indy schedule these days would be damn near impossible if your name isn't Notre Dame. They'll be practically forced to move down. Sucks for them, but at least there are several FCS conferences around them though that play some decent ball.

Um... they won't be able to afford money games? I'm pretty sure he meant money games as the road team, not the home team.

And they won't be playing Boise unless the state applies political pressure. Boise is thrilled to be rid of the Vandals.

(05-02-2012 04:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 01:07 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 01:03 PM)Usajags Wrote:  If Idaho can't get in somewhere they will go Independent, play BYU, ND Boise St and a bunch of money games.

Idaho, coming to a homecoming near you.

They won't be able to afford money games. They'll have to try to schedule a lot of 2-1, 3-1 deals. And scheduling an Indy schedule these days would be damn near impossible if your name isn't Notre Dame. They'll be practically forced to move down. Sucks for them, but at least there are several FCS conferences around them though that play some decent ball.

Um... they won't be able to afford money games? I'm pretty sure he meant money games as the road team, not the home team.

And they won't be playing Boise unless the state applies political pressure. Boise is thrilled to be rid of the Vandals.

Yeah, duh. Regardless, it will/would be tough.

(05-02-2012 04:02 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 03:50 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 03:42 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  I think the NCAA would put a 4 year ban on bringing up FCS teams after that.

I'm surprised they haven't closed that door yet.

The NCAA can't force a program to be Div.2,or FCS,or FBS. Thats up to the individual programs. But I do think a lot of programs should not be FBS programs.

They could try and actually start enforcing some of their rules, ie, the 15,000 average attendance every 2 years thing... Then again a lot of schools might be buggered if that were done.