(04-28-2012 03:21 PM)trojanblood Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 03:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:40 PM)trojanblood Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:35 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I really think LA Tech is going to C-USA with UNT, FIU, and UTSA. It looks like C-USA's plan is to keep separation from the Sun Belt by not leaving any quality programs for the Sun Belt to rebuild with. It looks like the belt will have to expand with FCS teams in its region, or look west to the WAC refugees. Better to stay at 9.

The fact they took UNT, and UTSA pretty much shot to hell your "quality porgrams" remark.

La Tech and FIU can play good football, but good football is not what CUSA is about, if it were there are 6-7 teams in the SBC ahead of UNT, but if you are a UNT fan you already know that to be a fact.

I havent seen in quality program come out of UNT in a long, long time when it comes to sports. Let them go. I would be more much happier keeping FIU. Good football and baseball programs and great athletic facilities. KEEP IT IN THE SOUTH AND OUT OF TEXAS!!!!

That's funny... because UNT beat Troy last season, and UNT just finished winning two Sun Belt Conference Championships this past week.

If you scroll down a few threads, you'd see UNT ranks second in the Bubbas Cup standings, and Troy is last.

Look, if the Belt chooses not to expand in Texas, I'm with you. I don't think Texas State will add the value the Belt wants. Texas State has no history in the FBS, and San Marcos is not a hot bed for recuiting or a major media market.

Just for the record, Texas is part of the South.

How many times has North Texas beaten Troy besides last year. Technically Texas is in the southwest. That isnt the real south.

There are other sports other than football that are played in the conference. Right now Troy has the worst overall sports program in the Sun Belt.

(04-28-2012 04:13 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  The problem I see with TSU is the same failure I see with what happened to UNT. No local Texas schools in their conference and now teams within close proximity that is extremely beneficial to anything in their power to keep TSU down.

After seeing the black balling from SMU and to some extent by TCU and Baylor that UNT received, I would not be shocked to see all of the new Texas CUSA members treat TSU the same way. It is what it is. Keeping TSU down is an imperative for UTSA. UNT will do anything they can to keep UTSA and TSU down and try to pass Rice and UTEP bye. Rice and UTEP are going to keep all of the new Texas adds down as far as possible while systematically trying to put each other in the rear views mirror.

It is survival within a state with an extreme passion for football and a massive recruiting base that understands football success means massive amounts to the bottom line of the university. I expect nothing less.

One of my few complaints about the SB will always be the island UNT was placed upon both in travel and socially being the lone Texas school. The add of just one more school in Texas probably would have had sweeping changes for the Sun Belt. But then again everyone can be Nostradamus looking backwards.. looking forward is the problem.

This is my concern as well. I'm a lil concerned about this for FAU as well if FIU does leave, but not as much since Florida schools really don't seem to have an issue playing each other as other states do.

I do need an education on Texas state's location. Is it in Eastern or Western Texas? How close is it to stAte?

Texas St. is almost to San Antonio so it's probably a 10 hour drive from stAte. Probably closer to ULL, ULM and USA. They have that stadium expansion, good baseball, a huge student body and a large budget. Seems like a no brainer to me but for all sports.

I was looking and seems like App. St. should be high on our list. THey have better attendance than anyone in the Sun Belt or WAC and probably most in CUSA. Their baseball team is 29-9 and their facilities are good.

App. St., Texas St. and say NMSU vs. UNT, FIU and LT? That's not too shabby.

(04-28-2012 02:40 PM)trojanblood Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:35 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:03 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  Where do you think LaTech lands? CUSA or the SBC?

I really think LA Tech is going to C-USA with UNT, FIU, and UTSA. It looks like C-USA's plan is to keep separation from the Sun Belt by not leaving any quality programs for the Sun Belt to rebuild with. It looks like the belt will have to expand with FCS teams in its region, or look west to the WAC refugees. Better to stay at 9.

The fact they took UNT, and UTSA pretty much shot to hell your "quality porgrams" remark.

La Tech and FIU can play good football, but good football is not what CUSA is about, if it were there are 6-7 teams in the SBC ahead of UNT, but if you are a UNT fan you already know that to be a fact.

I havent seen in quality program come out of UNT in a long, long time when it comes to sports. Let them go. I would be more much happier keeping FIU. Good football and baseball programs and great athletic facilities. KEEP IT IN THE SOUTH AND OUT OF TEXAS!!!!

Can you name the ONE sport where Troy defeated North Texas in the last year ? Softball. Troy & UNT were 1-1.

Football ? No (UNT 38 Troy 33)
Mens Basketball ? No (UNT 87 Troy 65)
Women's Basketball ? No (UNT 67 Troy 36, UNT 75 Troy 61)
Soccer ? No (UNT 3 Troy 1)
Tennis ? No (UNT 7 Troy 0)
Volleyball ? No (UNT 3- Troy 1)
Men's golf ? No (UNT conference Champs)
Lady's Golf ? No

And you're saying UNT doesn't have quality programs ? Then what does Troy have ?

(04-28-2012 04:50 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 04:13 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  The problem I see with TSU is the same failure I see with what happened to UNT. No local Texas schools in their conference and now teams within close proximity that is extremely beneficial to anything in their power to keep TSU down.

After seeing the black balling from SMU and to some extent by TCU and Baylor that UNT received, I would not be shocked to see all of the new Texas CUSA members treat TSU the same way. It is what it is. Keeping TSU down is an imperative for UTSA. UNT will do anything they can to keep UTSA and TSU down and try to pass Rice and UTEP bye. Rice and UTEP are going to keep all of the new Texas adds down as far as possible while systematically trying to put each other in the rear views mirror.

It is survival within a state with an extreme passion for football and a massive recruiting base that understands football success means massive amounts to the bottom line of the university. I expect nothing less.

One of my few complaints about the SB will always be the island UNT was placed upon both in travel and socially being the lone Texas school. The add of just one more school in Texas probably would have had sweeping changes for the Sun Belt. But then again everyone can be Nostradamus looking backwards.. looking forward is the problem.

This is my concern as well. I'm a lil concerned about this for FAU as well if FIU does leave, but not as much since Florida schools really don't seem to have an issue playing each other as other states do.

I do need an education on Texas state's location. Is it in Eastern or Western Texas? How close is it to stAte?

Texas State is on I-35 smack between Austin and San Antonio (~30 mins to Austin and ~45 mins to SA). 672 miles from Jonesboro

I can tell by your comments MG61 that you have been waiting a LONG time to be able to say those things. Sure we had a bad year last year, but yall have been bad for a while now. Get off your high horse, UNT football has been a joke for years now. Beating Troy in our lone bad season in the better part of a decade is nothing to brag about.

(04-28-2012 05:12 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I can tell by your comments MG61 that you have been waiting a LONG time to be able to say those things. Sure we had a bad year last year, but yall have been bad for a while now. Get off your high horse, UNT football has been a joke for years now. Beating Troy in our lone bad season in the better part of a decade is nothing to brag about.

Oh geeze, now you are a psychic. I just get tired ol Troy folks always talking trash and claiming to be the "core" program of the conference. In reality you total sports program kinda sucks.

our football and baseball is normally excellent and top of the Conference. one down year does not erase that. Yall have been terrible for years, just because ya went 5-7 last season and beat us in our worst year EVER doesn't mean sh*t, 5-7 is nothing to be proud of. We brag on our success because it is just that, success. Sorry if that annoys you, your fanbase did the same thing during your run ages ago. don't be a hypocrit.

NTSU, lets not get too pumped about beating TROY. Everyone did. Same can be said in every sport this year. We are just having a down year across the board.

Since 2001 (the first time we played as DI opponnnents I think)TROY is 9-2.

Congratulations!

I am glad you call a 5-7 season a success this past year. Most good football programs would be very dissapointed.

(04-28-2012 05:31 PM)MG61 Wrote:  I just get tired ol Troy folks always talking trash and claiming to be the "core" program of the conference. In reality you total sports program kinda sucks.

What drives the bus (besides Market)?? Football.

And at this time we are one the "core" football program in the conference.

I consider Troy, ULL, FIU, stAte, and MTSU to be the core of Sun Belt football. WKU is on the rise.

(04-28-2012 02:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:03 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  Where do you think LaTech lands? CUSA or the SBC?

I really think LA Tech is going to C-USA with UNT, FIU, and UTSA. It looks like C-USA's plan is to keep separation from the Sun Belt by not leaving any quality programs for the Sun Belt to rebuild with. It looks like the belt will have to expand with FCS teams in its region, or look west to the WAC refugees. Better to stay at 9.

Leaving no quality programs? ASU, MTSU, WKU, ULL, Troy, FAU, App State, and Georgia Southern Fans beg to differ. Texas State, USA, ULM, and Georgia State fans want to know why no one thinks they will succeed.

We lost quality programs? La Tech was the best in a terrible WAC. We like UNT, but you guys havent been to a bowl in 7 years, and FIU is an outlier anyway.

CUSA may really end up regretting these adds.

Core programs are Louisiana, stAte, Troy, Middle, UNT

WKU has made surprising strides toward being relevant. Too early to tell with USA. FIU and FAU are unfortunately outliers geographically. Monroe is Monroe. Way too early for GSU.

(04-28-2012 05:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Leaving no quality programs? ASU, MTSU, WKU, ULL, Troy, FAU, App State, and Georgia Southern Fans beg to differ. Texas State, USA, ULM, and Georgia State fans want to know why no one thinks they will succeed.
We lost quality programs? La Tech was the best in a terrible WAC. We like UNT, but you guys havent been to a bowl in 7 years, and FIU is an outlier anyway.
CUSA may really end up regretting these adds.

Don't be such a freak'n hypocrite, please.

(04-28-2012 05:43 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Core programs are Louisiana, stAte, Troy, Middle, UNT

WKU has made surprising strides toward being relevant. Too early to tell with USA. FIU and FAU are unfortunately outliers geographically. Monroe is Monroe. Way too early for GSU.

The consistantly top overall sports programs in the Belt are Middle Tennessee and WKU.

(04-28-2012 05:53 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 05:43 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Core programs are Louisiana, stAte, Troy, Middle, UNT

WKU has made surprising strides toward being relevant. Too early to tell with USA. FIU and FAU are unfortunately outliers geographically. Monroe is Monroe. Way too early for GSU.

The consistantly top overall sports programs in the Belt are Middle Tennessee and WKU.

Who is "core" is pretty subjective. I personally give more weight to football. I also give some weight to historical presence.

My perception is Louisiana, State, Troy, Middle, and UNT with WKU making great strides to be relevant in the more important football area. If WKU is successful in that then I would have to consider them the conferences premier program at that point.

(04-28-2012 05:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:03 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  Where do you think LaTech lands? CUSA or the SBC?

I really think LA Tech is going to C-USA with UNT, FIU, and UTSA. It looks like C-USA's plan is to keep separation from the Sun Belt by not leaving any quality programs for the Sun Belt to rebuild with. It looks like the belt will have to expand with FCS teams in its region, or look west to the WAC refugees. Better to stay at 9.

Leaving no quality programs? ASU, MTSU, WKU, ULL, Troy, FAU, App State, and Georgia Southern Fans beg to differ. Texas State, USA, ULM, and Georgia State fans want to know why no one thinks they will succeed.

We lost quality programs? La Tech was the best in a terrible WAC. We like UNT, but you guys havent been to a bowl in 7 years, and FIU is an outlier anyway.

CUSA may really end up regretting these adds.

I don't think you read my post the right way. I'm not saying the Belt doesn't have quality programs. There are several quality programs in the Sun Belt. That's why they should not expand. Keep the quality that the Belt has. I'm saying the programs the Belt would have to choose from if it expands are not optimal.

(04-28-2012 06:07 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 05:42 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:03 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  Where do you think LaTech lands? CUSA or the SBC?

I really think LA Tech is going to C-USA with UNT, FIU, and UTSA. It looks like C-USA's plan is to keep separation from the Sun Belt by not leaving any quality programs for the Sun Belt to rebuild with. It looks like the belt will have to expand with FCS teams in its region, or look west to the WAC refugees. Better to stay at 9.

Leaving no quality programs? ASU, MTSU, WKU, ULL, Troy, FAU, App State, and Georgia Southern Fans beg to differ. Texas State, USA, ULM, and Georgia State fans want to know why no one thinks they will succeed.

We lost quality programs? La Tech was the best in a terrible WAC. We like UNT, but you guys havent been to a bowl in 7 years, and FIU is an outlier anyway.

CUSA may really end up regretting these adds.

I don't think you read my post the right way. I'm not saying the Belt doesn't have quality programs. There are several quality programs in the Sun Belt. That's why they should not expand. Keep the quality that the Belt has. I'm saying the programs the Belt would have to choose from if it expands are not optimal.

It's sort of funny....the conferences that really need to worry about strength of schedule may have added weak teams because of market.

The conferences that need to worry about market may be forced to concentrate on better quality marketless football.

Crazy era.

(04-28-2012 05:58 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 05:53 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 05:43 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Core programs are Louisiana, stAte, Troy, Middle, UNT

WKU has made surprising strides toward being relevant. Too early to tell with USA. FIU and FAU are unfortunately outliers geographically. Monroe is Monroe. Way too early for GSU.

The consistantly top overall sports programs in the Belt are Middle Tennessee and WKU.

Who is "core" is pretty subjective. I personally give more weight to football. I also give some weight to historical presence.

My perception is Louisiana, State, Troy, Middle, and UNT with WKU making great strides to be relevant in the more important football area. If WKU is successful in that then I would have to consider them the conferences premier program at that point.

"Like"

WKU will have a solid program....WKU has a history of succeeding if they throw $$ at a program. Football budget is one of the tops in the SBC on par with most CUSA programs. Our former AD said the goal was to match USM's athletic budget and we are right there.

If I recall, FIU was about 1-10 just a few short years ago....FAU was considered the better program when they had Rusty Smith as QB. Amazing that FAU is not even in the conversation now with just 1 or 2 bad seasons on the field..

I have a feeling that in a few years the CUSA and SBC may be equal in terms of quality of teams and fan support. SBC will be very heavy in Florida, Tennessee, Louisiana, and Alabama, with not too much CUSA presence there. I see potential everywhere in the conference, with MT, UL, WKU, and stAte leading the pack and the others making super strides as well.