(04-28-2012 05:29 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 05:18 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 03:59 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 03:24 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:43 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Right and the SBC had no problem doing the same thing and taking Georgia Southern. Still ywould be nice if you balance market and performance.

Looks like CUSA grabbed markets with UNT and UTSA , performance with La Tech and both with FIU. Not bad!

I suggest you check Tech's FB record over the last 5 or so years.

Dude. It's going to be OK. Just take deep breaths.

Dude, I don't care where Tech plays, but don't delude yourself into thinking that you are materially better than the better teams in the SBC. Just pointing that out to the poor soul that thinks you are.

Apparently he's not alone in thinking that.

Lets get real...Its more of a case of "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" than you are waaay above the Sunbelt, hoss. You guys have been begging for entrance since before Katrina! If y'all were that good and had that much support you would have that 20 mil in hand for football renovations...all private donations, right?? LOL!! have you had the student vote yet to raise the rest of the funds? Malone, Bradshaw and the trucking magnate put you over, not this magic attraction to the football tradition at La Tech.
Its taken UL all of 15 minutes to catch up to you in football, dont think this foray into the CUSA leftovers is gonna be a magic bullet for Latex seperation.

Z

(04-28-2012 01:40 PM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 01:26 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  [Oral Roberts...lol

We need to stop thinking about tv markets. That is the reason for this maniacal and often hysterical conference realignment anyway. We need to think about good football.

The Sun Belt had the UNT market and the FIU market that are suddenly so desirable and they did jack for us in terms of television deals. What was really good for us the last year was IMPROVED FOOTBALL.

I don't give a crap if App State is in Backwaterville, NC....do they have a football history? Do they have fan support? Will they be an interesting conference mate?

Would you rather watch a horrific Memphis team with an empty stadium being defeated by a godawful San Diego State or would you rather watch a good App State playing a good Troy? Ultimately it will come down to improvement on the field.

There are no shortcuts for us. No magical market we can add to catapult us to where we want to be quickly. Our only choice is getting the best football programs that we can get and then building them into something better over a period of years. Get to work tortoise.

Agreed - TV markets are a factor but they've become the be all and end all.

We need to get away from TV markets and add strong programs (which was my beef with GSU).

Unless your negotiating with CBS for a multi-billion dollar pie, you're better off adding strong programs with large fan bases.

What we're doing is trading the chance at packing our stadium and growing our program and adding programs our fans might be interested in because we might get some scraps from some regional fox sports network to play on.

No one in Atlanta is going to watch Troy vs GSU if they're on at the same time as Bama vs LSU. So why trade gate revenue for the mirage of TV revenue.

Agree with both posts!

(04-28-2012 05:29 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 05:18 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 03:59 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 03:24 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 02:43 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Right and the SBC had no problem doing the same thing and taking Georgia Southern. Still ywould be nice if you balance market and performance.

Looks like CUSA grabbed markets with UNT and UTSA , performance with La Tech and both with FIU. Not bad!

I suggest you check Tech's FB record over the last 5 or so years.

Dude. It's going to be OK. Just take deep breaths.

Dude, I don't care where Tech plays, but don't delude yourself into thinking that you are materially better than the better teams in the SBC. Just pointing that out to the poor soul that thinks you are.

Apparently he's not alone in thinking that.

Just thank god you are in a dying conference...otherwise CUSA would have not touched your program with a ten foot pole. Just wait until the Big East comes back for more...then you will be in a CUSA that is much much weaker than the Sun Belt and the MAC...and you will be part of yet another dying conference. Hopefully your knees will not be bloody from all the begging and pleading you guys have had to do to be accepted anywhere. Let the babies have their bottles.

(04-28-2012 05:59 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 05:29 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 05:18 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 03:59 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 03:24 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  I suggest you check Tech's FB record over the last 5 or so years.

Dude. It's going to be OK. Just take deep breaths.

Dude, I don't care where Tech plays, but don't delude yourself into thinking that you are materially better than the better teams in the SBC. Just pointing that out to the poor soul that thinks you are.

Apparently he's not alone in thinking that.

Lets get real...Its more of a case of "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" than you are waaay above the Sunbelt, hoss. You guys have been begging for entrance since before Katrina! If y'all were that good and had that much support you would have that 20 mil in hand for football renovations...all private donations, right?? LOL!! have you had the student vote yet to raise the rest of the funds? Malone, Bradshaw and the trucking magnate put you over, not this magic attraction to the football tradition at La Tech.
Its taken UL all of 15 minutes to catch up to you in football, dont think this foray into the CUSA leftovers is gonna be a magic bullet for Latex seperation.

Z

Like I said before, deep breaths.......It is going to be ok. See ya!

I'm happy Tech is going to Conference-USA, aka: Conference-We Used to Be Good. Keeps their annoying fans out of our league.

Loser Tech must have something on MTSU's McPhee. Whatever it is, Tech should be sending him a gift basket or something.

(04-28-2012 09:27 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I'm happy Tech is going to Conference-USA, aka: Conference-We Used to Be Good. Keeps their annoying fans out of our league.

CUSA is going to become a much more unpleasant place for some. USM and Tulane in particular I think.

I feel terrible for ECU, stuck out on an island like that. the Marshall fans I've had contact with have been unpleasant so I have much less pity for them.

(04-28-2012 09:14 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 05:59 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 05:29 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 05:18 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 03:59 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Dude. It's going to be OK. Just take deep breaths.

Dude, I don't care where Tech plays, but don't delude yourself into thinking that you are materially better than the better teams in the SBC. Just pointing that out to the poor soul that thinks you are.

Apparently he's not alone in thinking that.

Lets get real...Its more of a case of "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" than you are waaay above the Sunbelt, hoss. You guys have been begging for entrance since before Katrina! If y'all were that good and had that much support you would have that 20 mil in hand for football renovations...all private donations, right?? LOL!! have you had the student vote yet to raise the rest of the funds? Malone, Bradshaw and the trucking magnate put you over, not this magic attraction to the football tradition at La Tech.
Its taken UL all of 15 minutes to catch up to you in football, dont think this foray into the CUSA leftovers is gonna be a magic bullet for Latex seperation.

Z

Like I said before, deep breaths.......It is going to be ok. See ya!

As you eat our dust.

Enjoy.

Z

(04-28-2012 01:17 PM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 12:51 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  If CUSA does go forward with those adds, it may be best to add TX State in the west for all sports and get UTA add and fast track football. I am all for a UNCC add, but it will have to be for all sports in 2015. In order to entice them, we may have to look at a simultaneous add of ODU in the east along with Oral Roberts (Olympic sports only) and New Mexico State (all sports) in the west. This would increase the SBC's basketball side of things while adding markets and a much better tv contract.

East
ODU (2015)
UNCC (2015)
FAU
Ga. State
MTSU
App. State (2015)
Ga. Southern (2015)
Troy
UALR (OSO)

West
ASU
UTA (Olympic first, add football by 2017)
ULM
ULL
Tx State
ORU (OSO)
NMSU
USA
WKU

Starting out we will be at an odd number for a couple years (like the MAC). In 2017, we would be balanced and solid.m

Why do we have to keep adding these crap programs? Oral Roberts? Who the hell is going to pay money to show Oral Roberts play Old Dominion on TV?

I'd rather have a 12 team conference with solid or growing programs than add a bunch of shite simply because we're in a race with CUSA to see who can add the most shite programs the fastest.

Lets get to 12 by adding someone, preferably someone with fans and someone that ESPN has actually heard of.

Dude...seriously, get over yourself. Use your head for something productive, like thinking...or learning about something beyond your own front yard. Do you realize that ODU is regularly ranked in the top 100 rpi in BB? That our attendance averages nearly 8,000 per game and we have one of the best arenas in all of college BB? Did you know that in 3 years of FB we have sold out every game...19,500 fans/game...14,000 season ticket holders...a waiting list of 3,000+ and advanced to the second round of the playoffs? Did you know we are the 43rd largest media market and have no pro or BCS competition?

We're all upset by realignment, but don't be a tool bag and call other schools names when you don't have a clue about what you're talking about. I'd put ODU up against MT any day if you want to compare resumes. And FYI...we don't want anything to do with the Sun Belt. Bad geographical fit, a major downgrade in hoops and no rivalries.

(04-28-2012 10:41 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 01:17 PM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 12:51 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  If CUSA does go forward with those adds, it may be best to add TX State in the west for all sports and get UTA add and fast track football. I am all for a UNCC add, but it will have to be for all sports in 2015. In order to entice them, we may have to look at a simultaneous add of ODU in the east along with Oral Roberts (Olympic sports only) and New Mexico State (all sports) in the west. This would increase the SBC's basketball side of things while adding markets and a much better tv contract.

East
ODU (2015)
UNCC (2015)
FAU
Ga. State
MTSU
App. State (2015)
Ga. Southern (2015)
Troy
UALR (OSO)

West
ASU
UTA (Olympic first, add football by 2017)
ULM
ULL
Tx State
ORU (OSO)
NMSU
USA
WKU

Starting out we will be at an odd number for a couple years (like the MAC). In 2017, we would be balanced and solid.m

Why do we have to keep adding these crap programs? Oral Roberts? Who the hell is going to pay money to show Oral Roberts play Old Dominion on TV?

I'd rather have a 12 team conference with solid or growing programs than add a bunch of shite simply because we're in a race with CUSA to see who can add the most shite programs the fastest.

Lets get to 12 by adding someone, preferably someone with fans and someone that ESPN has actually heard of.

And FYI...we don't want anything to do with the Sun Belt. Bad geographical fit, a major downgrade in hoops and no rivalries.

Nothing against ODU...but why are you on the Sun Belt board.

(04-28-2012 10:49 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Nothing against ODU...but why are you on the Sun Belt board.

Outstanding question.

Like most of us, I'm interested in how realignment is affecting other conferences. I appreciate other fans' perspectives. I've been a regular visitor here but have never posted before. I just didn't appreciate my Alma Mater being referred to as "sh!t". I'm not militant, but I'm proud of my school...as we all should be.

(04-28-2012 11:05 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  Like most of us, I'm interested in how realignment is affecting other conferences. I appreciate other fans' perspectives. I've been a regular visitor here but have never posted before. I just didn't appreciate my Alma Mater being referred to as "sh!t". I'm not militant, but I'm proud of my school...as we all should be.

Well, I can say that I wasn't laughing at ODU...or most of the others. But Oral Roberts was amusing to me.

I have no opinion on Old Dominion, I've never seen your team play. My only thoughts are that yall are not ideal for membership, but I do think your fanbase should view our league in a positive light.

(04-28-2012 10:41 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  Dude...seriously, get over yourself. Use your head for something productive, like thinking...or learning about something beyond your own front yard. Do you realize that ODU is regularly ranked in the top 100 rpi in BB? That our attendance averages nearly 8,000 per game and we have one of the best arenas in all of college BB? Did you know that in 3 years of FB we have sold out every game...19,500 fans/game...14,000 season ticket holders...a waiting list of 3,000+ and advanced to the second round of the playoffs? Did you know we are the 43rd largest media market and have no pro or BCS competition?

We're all upset by realignment, but don't be a tool bag and call other schools names when you don't have a clue about what you're talking about. I'd put ODU up against MT any day if you want to compare resumes. And FYI...we don't want anything to do with the Sun Belt. Bad geographical fit, a major downgrade in hoops and no rivalries.

You guys should be angling for #15 in the SEC then.

FWIW, BB is irrelevant.

I will apologize for lumping you in the with the "no fans" crowd. That said, if i've never heard of you (other then a few noteworthy Lady Monarchs games against the Lady Vols about 10 years ago), then likely few outside of Virginia have either. Again, do you think you can sell ODU football to those in the Sunbelt footprint? Perception is as important as anything - likely more.

(04-28-2012 11:11 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I have no opinion on Old Dominion, I've never seen your team play. My only thoughts are that yall are not ideal for membership, but I do think your fanbase should view our league in a positive light.

ODU belongs in a regional Atlantic conference along with programs like Marshall and ECU and Charlotte.

We don't want to be in the Sun Belt. Been there, done that. Not a good fit for a myriad of reasons.

(04-28-2012 11:17 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  We don't want to be in the Sun Belt. Been there, done that. Not a good fit for a myriad of reasons.

Cool, then we are all in agreement here. You are free to go now.

If this occurs, I like the shape of the Sun Belt still compared to what Conference USA will look like. I'm assuming Denver will stay since the WAC is all but dead in a few short weeks. Georgia State and South Alabama are only going to get better and better. They are in major recruiting areas. They probably have better recruits than some FBS programs.

Conference USA lost it's best players in Houston, UCF, SMU, and Memphis. Truthfully, losing North Texas and FIU wouldn't be near as big of a hit for the Sun Belt.

Sun Belt (Football):
Arkansas State (10-3)
Louisiana (9-4)
Western Kentucky (7-5)
Louisiana-Monroe (4-8)
Troy (3-9)
Middle Tennessee (2-10)
Florida Atlantic (1-11)
Texas State (5-6)
South Alabama (4-4)
Georgia State (2-6)

Sun Belt (Basketball):
[only teams with winning records]
Middle Tennessee (27-7)
Denver (22-9)
Georgia State (22-12)
South Alabama (17-12)

Conference USA (Football):
Southern Miss (12-2)
Tulsa (8-5)
Florida International (8-5)
Louisiana Tech (8-5)
Marshall (7-6)
East Carolina (5-7)
UTEP (5-7)
North Texas (5-7)
Rice (4-8)
UAB (3-9)
Tulane (2-11)
UTSA (1-5)

Conference USA (Basketball):
[only teams with winning records]
Southern Miss (25-9)
Marshall (21-14)
Tulsa (17-14)
North Texas (15-14)