I have a feeling ASU will have success. As long as this team wins more than 7 games a year the buzz will grow. however if malzahn can pull off another 10 win season which is possible, This programs support will explode.

Failure is not an option!!

(04-27-2012 12:44 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Selling that stuff is great, but if you promise the world you better deliver or things get ugly quick. Our OC when he first got here was bumping his gums about how we were going to need to add a digit to the score board because we were going to score so much, and then we had some struggles on offense and people have been killing him. Nevermind the fact that we have been better on offense his first 2 years than any year under Skip, he set the bar so high with his own words that it set a standard that is nearly impossible to reach. That stuff sells really good to start, but if it's not all sunshine and rainbows from the start people will start getting frustrated quickly. If you are selling we are going to be top 25 year in and year out and you win 7 games next year people are going to view that as a failure when in truth for a first year coach it's not.

Arkansas State has raised over $18 million for a project that has not even been announced.

(04-27-2012 12:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 12:44 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Selling that stuff is great, but if you promise the world you better deliver or things get ugly quick. Our OC when he first got here was bumping his gums about how we were going to need to add a digit to the score board because we were going to score so much, and then we had some struggles on offense and people have been killing him. Nevermind the fact that we have been better on offense his first 2 years than any year under Skip, he set the bar so high with his own words that it set a standard that is nearly impossible to reach. That stuff sells really good to start, but if it's not all sunshine and rainbows from the start people will start getting frustrated quickly. If you are selling we are going to be top 25 year in and year out and you win 7 games next year people are going to view that as a failure when in truth for a first year coach it's not.

Arkansas State has raised over $18 million for a project that has not even been announced.

So I should expect to see sell outs next year and not 14k crowds like your season finale last year against Troy at home?

(04-27-2012 12:44 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Selling that stuff is great, but if you promise the world you better deliver or things get ugly quick. Our OC when he first got here was bumping his gums about how we were going to need to add a digit to the score board because we were going to score so much, and then we had some struggles on offense and people have been killing him. Nevermind the fact that we have been better on offense his first 2 years than any year under Skip, he set the bar so high with his own words that it set a standard that is nearly impossible to reach. That stuff sells really good to start, but if it's not all sunshine and rainbows from the start people will start getting frustrated quickly. If you are selling we are going to be top 25 year in and year out and you win 7 games next year people are going to view that as a failure when in truth for a first year coach it's not.

As far as next year paraphrasing what Malzan said recently was that at the start we will be rebuilding, by mid-season hopefully jelling, and fans should already be making plans to go to a bowl game next year.

What do I really think, starting last fall ASU replaced Troy as THE team in the SBC, and they will be a team that is ranked in the top 25 on a regular basis.

SBC football is going to make some believers out of some people because Troy, WKU, UL, MTSU, FAU, FIU and even ULM have shown that they can play good football.

I have been tooting ASUs horn here and on a few other boards but obviously there are several other SBC schools that have shown that they also going to be making noises on the field going forward.

WKU, FIU and UL are coming off impressive seasons, FAU, MTSU and Troy will not be down long, and ULM and UNT can never be overlooked, so winning a SBC championship is not going to be a cake walk.

Other posters need to keep everyone abreast of the all exciting things happening in this rapidly improving league.

(04-27-2012 01:05 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 12:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 12:44 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Selling that stuff is great, but if you promise the world you better deliver or things get ugly quick. Our OC when he first got here was bumping his gums about how we were going to need to add a digit to the score board because we were going to score so much, and then we had some struggles on offense and people have been killing him. Nevermind the fact that we have been better on offense his first 2 years than any year under Skip, he set the bar so high with his own words that it set a standard that is nearly impossible to reach. That stuff sells really good to start, but if it's not all sunshine and rainbows from the start people will start getting frustrated quickly. If you are selling we are going to be top 25 year in and year out and you win 7 games next year people are going to view that as a failure when in truth for a first year coach it's not.

Arkansas State has raised over $18 million for a project that has not even been announced.

So I should expect to see sell outs next year and not 14k crowds like your season finale last year against Troy at home?

You will see improved attendane but it will not be sellouts that late in the season. I looked a few months back and noted that teams like Nevada and SMU struggled to draw any kind of crowd late in the season even though they were on the verge of a bowl or in the midst of their best season in years. Nobody draws as well late in the season and those that say they do are just padding the numbers.

(04-27-2012 01:05 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 12:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 12:44 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Selling that stuff is great, but if you promise the world you better deliver or things get ugly quick. Our OC when he first got here was bumping his gums about how we were going to need to add a digit to the score board because we were going to score so much, and then we had some struggles on offense and people have been killing him. Nevermind the fact that we have been better on offense his first 2 years than any year under Skip, he set the bar so high with his own words that it set a standard that is nearly impossible to reach. That stuff sells really good to start, but if it's not all sunshine and rainbows from the start people will start getting frustrated quickly. If you are selling we are going to be top 25 year in and year out and you win 7 games next year people are going to view that as a failure when in truth for a first year coach it's not.

Arkansas State has raised over $18 million for a project that has not even been announced.

So I should expect to see sell outs next year and not 14k crowds like your season finale last year against Troy at home?

You guys let in Rice, Houston, SMU and UCF who all had track records of worse attendance. Take your BS double standard and shove it.

Add Memphis, Tulane and UAB to that bad attendance list

(04-27-2012 03:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 01:05 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 12:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 12:44 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Selling that stuff is great, but if you promise the world you better deliver or things get ugly quick. Our OC when he first got here was bumping his gums about how we were going to need to add a digit to the score board because we were going to score so much, and then we had some struggles on offense and people have been killing him. Nevermind the fact that we have been better on offense his first 2 years than any year under Skip, he set the bar so high with his own words that it set a standard that is nearly impossible to reach. That stuff sells really good to start, but if it's not all sunshine and rainbows from the start people will start getting frustrated quickly. If you are selling we are going to be top 25 year in and year out and you win 7 games next year people are going to view that as a failure when in truth for a first year coach it's not.

Arkansas State has raised over $18 million for a project that has not even been announced.

So I should expect to see sell outs next year and not 14k crowds like your season finale last year against Troy at home?

You guys let in Rice, Houston, SMU and UCF who all had track records of worse attendance. Take your BS double standard and shove it.

Hey I'm reading all these posts about how the whole state is excited and buying in. I don't think finding 30k people to show up should be that hard if that's true. As for those teams first of all Houston was a charter member do you think ECU had any choice in their selection? As for the other 3 maybe we supported UCF (who had the best attendance of the bunch before joining and became second behind us in attendance) but do you really think we were pushing for Rice and SMU? We pushed for Marshall, because they won, drew fans, and were regional. By the way it ain't a double standard for me. I want whatever programs who draw the most fans in the C-USA footprint added. The problem is none of you consistently draw more than 20k year in and year out.

(04-27-2012 05:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Hey I'm reading all these posts about how the whole state is excited and buying in. I don't think finding 30k people to show up should be that hard if that's true.

I think you are reading posts about stAte's increased efforts to energize the entire state. It remains to be seen how much these efforts will immediately translate to increased support.

If the spring game is an indicator (6,115 @ $5) - attendance should be up considerably next year - like 20% to 25%. But when you are talking about a program that has won 7plus games one time in the last 20 plus years - I'm not sure how realistic it is to think that stAte will go from 20K to averaging a sellout.

(04-27-2012 06:15 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 05:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Hey I'm reading all these posts about how the whole state is excited and buying in. I don't think finding 30k people to show up should be that hard if that's true.

I think you are reading posts about stAte's increased efforts to energize the entire state. It remains to be seen how much these efforts will immediately translate to increased support.

If the spring game is an indicator (6,115 @ $5) - attendance should be up considerably next year - like 20% to 25%. But when you are talking about a program that has won 7plus games one time in the last 20 plus years - I'm not sure how realistic it is to think that stAte will go from 20K to averaging a sellout.

Chances are you'll see a rather marked improvement in the attendance figures at stAte. 20-25% would not surprise me one bit, the U of A may need to do some defense if this pans out the way it appears it will.

(04-27-2012 06:15 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 05:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Hey I'm reading all these posts about how the whole state is excited and buying in. I don't think finding 30k people to show up should be that hard if that's true.

I think you are reading posts about stAte's increased efforts to energize the entire state. It remains to be seen how much these efforts will immediately translate to increased support.

If the spring game is an indicator (6,115 @ $5) - attendance should be up considerably next year - like 20% to 25%. But when you are talking about a program that has won 7plus games one time in the last 20 plus years - I'm not sure how realistic it is to think that stAte will go from 20K to averaging a sellout.

By the way I don't want my comments in this thread to be construed as me disliking ASU or rooting against you. The best thing that could happen to non-AQ schools is to have a lot more step up. A lot more raise their profile would be good for everyone. Right now there is a bit of a void at the top of the non-AQ ranks, and schools are going to have to step up and fill the shoes of Utah, Boise, and TCU. If that turns out to be ASU that's great, it's a benefit to all non-AQ schools.

(04-27-2012 06:32 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 06:15 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 05:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Hey I'm reading all these posts about how the whole state is excited and buying in. I don't think finding 30k people to show up should be that hard if that's true.

I think you are reading posts about stAte's increased efforts to energize the entire state. It remains to be seen how much these efforts will immediately translate to increased support.

If the spring game is an indicator (6,115 @ $5) - attendance should be up considerably next year - like 20% to 25%. But when you are talking about a program that has won 7plus games one time in the last 20 plus years - I'm not sure how realistic it is to think that stAte will go from 20K to averaging a sellout.

By the way I don't want my comments in this thread to be construed as me disliking ASU or rooting against you. The best thing that could happen to non-AQ schools is to have a lot more step up. A lot more raise their profile would be good for everyone. Right now there is a bit of a void at the top of the non-AQ ranks, and schools are going to have to step up and fill the shoes of Utah, Boise, and TCU. If that turns out to be ASU that's great, it's a benefit to all non-AQ schools.

Well we have USM, La Tech, FIU, UL, WKU, ASU, Tulsa, Temple, NIU, Ohio, Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada, Western Michigan, and Marshall playing pretty good ball.

Troy, ECU, MTSU, and FAU are normally in that group, so there are a lot of options.

I have no doubt there is a next Boise there, and of course I think I know who it is. Still who is the next TCU? The next Utah? The next Hawaii?

(04-27-2012 07:37 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 06:32 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 06:15 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 05:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Hey I'm reading all these posts about how the whole state is excited and buying in. I don't think finding 30k people to show up should be that hard if that's true.

I think you are reading posts about stAte's increased efforts to energize the entire state. It remains to be seen how much these efforts will immediately translate to increased support.

If the spring game is an indicator (6,115 @ $5) - attendance should be up considerably next year - like 20% to 25%. But when you are talking about a program that has won 7plus games one time in the last 20 plus years - I'm not sure how realistic it is to think that stAte will go from 20K to averaging a sellout.

By the way I don't want my comments in this thread to be construed as me disliking ASU or rooting against you. The best thing that could happen to non-AQ schools is to have a lot more step up. A lot more raise their profile would be good for everyone. Right now there is a bit of a void at the top of the non-AQ ranks, and schools are going to have to step up and fill the shoes of Utah, Boise, and TCU. If that turns out to be ASU that's great, it's a benefit to all non-AQ schools.

Well we have USM, La Tech, FIU, UL, WKU, ASU, Tulsa, Temple, NIU, Ohio, Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada, Western Michigan, and Marshall playing pretty good ball.

Troy, ECU, MTSU, and FAU are normally in that group, so there are a lot of options.

I have no doubt there is a next Boise there, and of course I think I know who it is. Still who is the next TCU? The next Utah? The next Hawaii?

There's just not enough breakout in that group. A few of these have to start being consistently ranked and some have to start breaking into the top 10. Hopefully it happens soon.

(04-27-2012 07:37 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 06:32 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 06:15 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 05:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Hey I'm reading all these posts about how the whole state is excited and buying in. I don't think finding 30k people to show up should be that hard if that's true.

I think you are reading posts about stAte's increased efforts to energize the entire state. It remains to be seen how much these efforts will immediately translate to increased support.

If the spring game is an indicator (6,115 @ $5) - attendance should be up considerably next year - like 20% to 25%. But when you are talking about a program that has won 7plus games one time in the last 20 plus years - I'm not sure how realistic it is to think that stAte will go from 20K to averaging a sellout.

By the way I don't want my comments in this thread to be construed as me disliking ASU or rooting against you. The best thing that could happen to non-AQ schools is to have a lot more step up. A lot more raise their profile would be good for everyone. Right now there is a bit of a void at the top of the non-AQ ranks, and schools are going to have to step up and fill the shoes of Utah, Boise, and TCU. If that turns out to be ASU that's great, it's a benefit to all non-AQ schools.

Well we have USM, La Tech, FIU, UL, WKU, ASU, Tulsa, Temple, NIU, Ohio, Wyoming, Utah State, Nevada, Western Michigan, and Marshall playing pretty good ball.

Troy, ECU, MTSU, and FAU are normally in that group, so there are a lot of options.

I have no doubt there is a next Boise there, and of course I think I know who it is. Still who is the next TCU? The next Utah? The next Hawaii?

I have a feeling that USM is heading downward in the near future. They just lost Fedora & now they're reporting a big athletic dept deficit. http://www.sunherald.com/2012/04/27/3910...tment.html