(05-07-2015 11:06 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU is ready

Unfortunately the has not changed much..

(01-26-2015 11:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I think it is very unlikely that NMSU receives a full invite to the Sun Belt though the western schools certainly want them. Rumor mill says Idaho and NMSU have both been told the football only affiliations will end after the 2017 season.

Though there are two ways for FB-only affiliation to end. Since its not entirely clear that NMSU has the same 2017 expiration date on its FB-only affiliation, the simple way to get rid of the late season byes is for the Sunbelt to shift to 10/12, getting rid of Idaho and adding NSMU all-sports.

(05-10-2015 03:43 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 11:51 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I think it is very unlikely that NMSU receives a full invite to the Sun Belt though the western schools certainly want them. Rumor mill says Idaho and NMSU have both been told the football only affiliations will end after the 2017 season.

Though there are two ways for FB-only affiliation to end. Since its not entirely clear that NMSU has the same 2017 expiration date on its FB-only affiliation, the simple way to get rid of the late season byes is for the Sunbelt to shift to 10/12, getting rid of Idaho and adding NSMU all-sports.

Benson has stated several times twelve all sports is the end goal.
NMSU could be part of that twelve except why are they not already?
Idaho will not be an all sports member obviously.
No one talks about UALR or UTA having to start football or leave.
Twelve for football brings more CFP money and allows for a championship game.
Ten is a better number in basketball eighteen game round robin schedule.

The SBC would be leaving CFP money on the table being 10/12 .
Reverse that for ten all sports and twelve football and they save money.
The football only members have less value than all sports members.
They do bring in a share of the CFP that the Olympic sports members don't.
I don't want to see any team kicked out just looking at the logic of 10/12.

If you have 10 FBS members you get $10 million from CFP if you have 12 you get $12 million. Increase of $2 million. Free money! Except it is the same amount per team and therefore no new money.

(05-11-2015 09:12 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If you have 10 FBS members you get $10 million from CFP if you have 12 you get $12 million. Increase of $2 million. Free money! Except it is the same amount per team and therefore no new money.

It's a very good point but it begs the question. Who gets the 2 Million not used by the Sun Belt under this scenario?

(05-11-2015 09:12 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If you have 10 FBS members you get $10 million from CFP if you have 12 you get $12 million. Increase of $2 million. Free money! Except it is the same amount per team and therefore no new money.

This..

(05-11-2015 10:30 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(05-11-2015 09:12 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If you have 10 FBS members you get $10 million from CFP if you have 12 you get $12 million. Increase of $2 million. Free money! Except it is the same amount per team and therefore no new money.

It's a very good point but it begs the question. Who gets the 2 Million not used by the Sun Belt under this scenario?

Goes to the performance pool. Increases the value of a share by about $67k

(05-07-2015 11:06 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU is ready

I'd love to see NDSU as a full MAC member. However, I don't see it happening anytime soon. With the current college sports landscape, the MAC has no financial incentive to expand beyond 12 members. If one of our members gets bumped up to the AAC/ACC/B12, however...

(05-12-2015 01:23 PM)Michael the Narwhal Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 11:06 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU is ready

I'd love to see NDSU as a full MAC member. However, I don't see it happening anytime soon. With the current college sports landscape, the MAC has no financial incentive to expand beyond 12 members. If one of our members gets bumped up to the AAC/ACC/B12, however...

Why? ND is not a recruiting hotbed, no conference advertiser will get excited about adding ND to the footprint, whats the upside that OUTWEIGHS the extra mouth to feed?

Because we don't want 3 ND fans to think we're afraid to play them?

Other than that, I can't think of a reason.

(05-12-2015 02:31 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 01:23 PM)Michael the Narwhal Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 11:06 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU is ready

I'd love to see NDSU as a full MAC member. However, I don't see it happening anytime soon. With the current college sports landscape, the MAC has no financial incentive to expand beyond 12 members. If one of our members gets bumped up to the AAC/ACC/B12, however...

Why? ND is not a recruiting hotbed, no conference advertiser will get excited about adding ND to the footprint, whats the upside that OUTWEIGHS the extra mouth to feed?

It would be another land grant university added to our mix, as well as a strong fan/alumni base in a more college sports oriented state than most of the MAC schools. I.E. Lots of potential with them. I know their athletic programs aren't there yet, but give them the bump to FBS and I could see them towards the top of the MAC in a few years.

(01-26-2015 09:19 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 06:29 PM)southernwolf Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 11:36 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 03:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  From an article I wrote on football only membership.

Since the NCAA restructured the top level of football after the 1981 season, football only affiliation has been relatively rare. Only 24 of those agreements have been made since that change. There are currently only four active agreements, Hawaii in MWC, NMSU and Idaho in Sun Belt, and Navy is set to join the AAC.

It seems that these "marriages of convenience" have a way of working themselves out. On average the football only agreements have lasted less than four seasons. Only twice has a football only affiliation lasted more than 7 seasons.

Curious if you written anything about the history of independent teams, considering our soon to be independent for at least 2 years.

My opinion only, if the 12 team CFG is not changed, I believe the SBC will add UMASS as Football only and NMSU for all sports bi the 1st of July. I also believe that CUSA will invite either NIU or Ohio as a replacement for UAB, thus sparing the SBC.

I beleive 12 games will be altered to accomidate the B12 and that will be the end of conference expansion. I also don't think there is a chance in hell that NIU goes to CUSA and it's very doubful Ohio would consider it (though the footprint is less awful for them then it would be for NIU).

I agree. I know the scuttlebutt has been CUSA would invite OU, NIU, Akron or Toledo, but I don't see any of the above happening. CUSA needs a western team and the above mentioned teams are firmly planted in the MAC and are happy there (with NIU probably the least rooted of the four).

Any of those schools would be a great get, but geographically don't make much sense. Personally, I think it'll be another Belt team if we expand at all.

(05-12-2015 02:31 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 01:23 PM)Michael the Narwhal Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 11:06 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU is ready

I'd love to see NDSU as a full MAC member. However, I don't see it happening anytime soon. With the current college sports landscape, the MAC has no financial incentive to expand beyond 12 members. If one of our members gets bumped up to the AAC/ACC/B12, however...

Why? ND is not a recruiting hotbed, no conference advertiser will get excited about adding ND to the footprint, whats the upside that OUTWEIGHS the extra mouth to feed?

IF NDSU wins the MAC West and brings 10K fans to Detroit the college football world will take note.

As far as recruiting, Fargo sits on the border with Minnesota (is it separated by a river?), so NDSU is a ND/MN team. I think it would help with recruiting in MN.

no mac school has the funding to take on the travel costs for all sports in any other conference (other than the big10, unlikely). unless it was a P5 league (unlikely) it would be too much of a drain on student athlete travel time and athletic dept budgets.

is usb staying in cusa for other sports?

(05-13-2015 02:09 PM)pono Wrote:  no mac school has the funding to take on the travel costs for all sports in any other conference (other than the big10, unlikely). unless it was a P5 league (unlikely) it would be too much of a drain on student athlete travel time and athletic dept budgets.

is usb staying in cusa for other sports?

The official vote on UAB's status is June 8th.

(05-13-2015 02:08 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 02:31 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 01:23 PM)Michael the Narwhal Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 11:06 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU is ready

I'd love to see NDSU as a full MAC member. However, I don't see it happening anytime soon. With the current college sports landscape, the MAC has no financial incentive to expand beyond 12 members. If one of our members gets bumped up to the AAC/ACC/B12, however...

Why? ND is not a recruiting hotbed, no conference advertiser will get excited about adding ND to the footprint, whats the upside that OUTWEIGHS the extra mouth to feed?

IF NDSU wins the MAC West and brings 10K fans to Detroit the college football world will take note.

As far as recruiting, Fargo sits on the border with Minnesota (is it separated by a river?), so NDSU is a ND/MN team. I think it would help with recruiting in MN.

Minnesota really isn't a hot bed of football recruiting. Most NDSU players come from California.

(05-13-2015 02:35 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 02:08 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 02:31 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 01:23 PM)Michael the Narwhal Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 11:06 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU is ready

I'd love to see NDSU as a full MAC member. However, I don't see it happening anytime soon. With the current college sports landscape, the MAC has no financial incentive to expand beyond 12 members. If one of our members gets bumped up to the AAC/ACC/B12, however...

Why? ND is not a recruiting hotbed, no conference advertiser will get excited about adding ND to the footprint, whats the upside that OUTWEIGHS the extra mouth to feed?

IF NDSU wins the MAC West and brings 10K fans to Detroit the college football world will take note.

As far as recruiting, Fargo sits on the border with Minnesota (is it separated by a river?), so NDSU is a ND/MN team. I think it would help with recruiting in MN.

Minnesota really isn't a hot bed of football recruiting. Most NDSU players come from California.

Not really, sort by the hometown:

http://www.gobison.com/roster.aspx?path=football

But, I still don't think they should join the MAC, simply because of the geography.

(05-13-2015 02:08 PM)emu steve Wrote:  IF NDSU wins the MAC West and brings 10K fans to Detroit the college football world will take note.

Hahahahaha no. No, they won't.

(05-13-2015 02:09 PM)pono Wrote:  no mac school has the funding to take on the travel costs for all sports in any other conference (other than the big10, unlikely). unless it was a P5 league (unlikely) it would be too much of a drain on student athlete travel time and athletic dept budgets.

is usb staying in cusa for other sports?

The current CUSA bylaws state that in order to hold membership in the conference, the school MUST play FBS football.

(05-13-2015 02:35 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 02:08 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 02:31 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(05-12-2015 01:23 PM)Michael the Narwhal Wrote:  

(05-07-2015 11:06 PM)lakesbison Wrote:  NDSU is ready

I'd love to see NDSU as a full MAC member. However, I don't see it happening anytime soon. With the current college sports landscape, the MAC has no financial incentive to expand beyond 12 members. If one of our members gets bumped up to the AAC/ACC/B12, however...

Why? ND is not a recruiting hotbed, no conference advertiser will get excited about adding ND to the footprint, whats the upside that OUTWEIGHS the extra mouth to feed?

IF NDSU wins the MAC West and brings 10K fans to Detroit the college football world will take note.

As far as recruiting, Fargo sits on the border with Minnesota (is it separated by a river?), so NDSU is a ND/MN team. I think it would help with recruiting in MN.

Minnesota really isn't a hot bed of football recruiting. Most NDSU players come from California.

Only for select sports like softball.

NDSU has benefitted by Wisc and Minn not have any G5 FBS teams. Recruits that are MAC caliber from those states often go to NDSU.