I have zero issues with LaTech's program....I have issues with Tech's fan base and the way they do things. Makes the quality of program not matter.

(03-08-2012 01:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Its Georgia State.

It makes travel easy for fans and other conference sports teams.

SBC East

FAU
FIU
Middle Tennessee
Troy
South Alabama

Um...Western Kentucky? If we add Georgia State, South Alabama gets pushed to the west.

(03-08-2012 01:58 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Its Georgia State.

It makes travel easy for fans and other conference sports teams.

SBC East

FAU
FIU
Middle Tennessee
Troy
South Alabama

Um...Western Kentucky? If we add Georgia State, South Alabama gets pushed to the west.

Yeah, I can see that:


FAU
FIU
Ga State
Middle Tenn
WKU
Troy

(03-08-2012 02:01 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:58 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Its Georgia State.

It makes travel easy for fans and other conference sports teams.

SBC East

FAU
FIU
Middle Tennessee
Troy
South Alabama

Um...Western Kentucky? If we add Georgia State, South Alabama gets pushed to the west.

Yeah, I can see that:


FAU
FIU
Ga State
Middle Tenn
WKU
Troy

Honestly I'd rather go to 14 and keep USA in the east if that were the case, but that's just my selfish opinion because I like the Troy-USA-MT-WKU combination sticking together.

(03-08-2012 01:44 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:33 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:16 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:08 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  I was just looking at that. Tech and USM have both been playing at the same level since Tech went FBS in 1989. USM has out-performed Tech slightly in that time:

Tech vs

AQ: 10-54-2
Non-AQ: 105-79-1
FCS: 14-1

USM vs

AQ: 18-53
Non-AQ: 137-61-1
FCS: 11-0

Head to Head:
USM won 3 out of 4:

14-30 in Ruston
16-13 in Hattiesburg
13-12 in Ruston
19-17 in Hattiesburg

Winning seasons:
Tech-9
USM-20

Bowl games:
Tech-4
USM-15

Avg record per season:
Tech: 6-6
USM: 7.5 - 5

Fair enough and when you put it like that, the perception is that things are closer than they actually are, the reality is winning that extra game(and a half?) over a 24 year period is a big difference. That's one program consistently getting it done, 20 winning seasons out of a possible 24, and the other consistently coming up just short 9 winning seasons out of a possible 24.

The "reality" is that it is close. The "perception" is that is not. But what hurts Tech is that we will win 3 or 4 games sometimes. Southern Miss NEVER does that. They consistently win 7 games.

You're wrong, if we were talking about a period of 5 or even 10 years, yes 1 game is that close, over a quarter of a century, no one game is not that close. Again, it's about one program consistently getting it done 20 out of 24 times and another consistently coming up just short.

If we were talking about the difference between 7-5 and 8-4, I'd probably agree with you, but we're talking about the great dividing line of a winning season.

(03-08-2012 01:53 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 11:53 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:20 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 09:53 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I've been banging a drum for Tech and Appy for a long time. Tech's got a long tradition of quality football (similar to a USM). FIU's distance from that area and only having been a member with them for a couple of years may also allow for 'some' perspective here. Tech went to a WAC which was on the upswing with good football being played at Boise, Fresno, Hawai'i, etc. Unfortunately for them the WAC's been decimated by realignment and they burned a bunch of bridges on their way to the WAC [they had a choice to go to a strong WAC or stay and help build the Sun Belt's fledgling football program; what would your school do?].

I am no real fan of Tech nor do I begrudge them for moving to the WAC, they probably could have (and should have) been a bit more humble and appreciative of their time in the Sun Belt...but that goes to character and I'm not in the mood to judge; we've got bigger issues to deal with here.

If Tech does not move to the Alliance then both sides should swallow some pride for the benefit of the whole. I like the strength of Tech's football program and think they'll make this conference much stronger. Maybe this is why WW has moved on and perhaps taken some of this bad-blood baggage with him...let's hope so.

Let's not mince words here...saying La Tech and Southern Miss have similar quality football. That is incorrect. Since 2002 Southern Miss has not had a losing season. Since 2002...La Tech has had only 3 winning seasons. That is not a tradition of winning football. Any winning they did was at the 1-AA level. Southern Miss is a charter member of Division 1-A. Southern Miss and La Tech have played 44 games against each other...Southern Miss has won 31 of them. Please do not confuse La Tech's tradition with Southern Miss tradition. They could not be any less like each other.

Actually, the FIU fan had it right. Since 1968, Tech is ranked #34 in the nation in winning percentage (.56295) and Southern Miss is ranked #29 (.58415).

Tech and Southern Miss have played each other 18 times since 1968 and USM leads 11-7 and the average score is 20-18. USM won the last 2 games in 2010 and 2011 by a combined score of 32-29.

Southern Miss has won 6 conference championships since 1968 and Tech has won 9. USM won the CUSA championship this year and Tech won the WAC championship this year. (USM beat Tech 19-17 in Hattiesburg this year).

Tech is only 174-174 playing at the highest level of college football. .500 on the dot, mediocre, on the dot.

I know, but look where Tech ranks among Sun Belt and CUSA teams since 1990:

Marshall: 114-63
USM: 161-105
Troy: 72-62
ECU: 137-126
La Tech: 126-130
Tulsa: 120-142
MTSU: 69-85
FAU: 41-56
Rice: 106-145
UAB: 75-110
ULL: 93-157
Ark State: 83-148
ULM: 71-136
UTEP: 87-170
Tulane: 86-169
FIU: 32-63
UNT: 66-133

(03-08-2012 02:03 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:44 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:33 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:16 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:14 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Winning seasons:
Tech-9
USM-20

Bowl games:
Tech-4
USM-15

Avg record per season:
Tech: 6-6
USM: 7.5 - 5

Fair enough and when you put it like that, the perception is that things are closer than they actually are, the reality is winning that extra game(and a half?) over a 24 year period is a big difference. That's one program consistently getting it done, 20 winning seasons out of a possible 24, and the other consistently coming up just short 9 winning seasons out of a possible 24.

The "reality" is that it is close. The "perception" is that is not. But what hurts Tech is that we will win 3 or 4 games sometimes. Southern Miss NEVER does that. They consistently win 7 games.

You're wrong, if we were talking about a period of 5 or even 10 years, yes 1 game is that close, over a quarter of a century, no one game is not that close. Again, it's about one program consistently getting it done 20 out of 24 times and another consistently coming up just short.

If we were talking about the difference between 7-5 and 8-4, I'd probably agree with you, but we're talking about the great dividing line of a winning season.

Whatever. Bottom line is Tech has averaged 6 wins a season over the past 22 years and USM has average 7.5 wins a season. And when we play each other it is usally decided by a FG or less.

(03-08-2012 02:03 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:53 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 11:53 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:20 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 09:53 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I've been banging a drum for Tech and Appy for a long time. Tech's got a long tradition of quality football (similar to a USM). FIU's distance from that area and only having been a member with them for a couple of years may also allow for 'some' perspective here. Tech went to a WAC which was on the upswing with good football being played at Boise, Fresno, Hawai'i, etc. Unfortunately for them the WAC's been decimated by realignment and they burned a bunch of bridges on their way to the WAC [they had a choice to go to a strong WAC or stay and help build the Sun Belt's fledgling football program; what would your school do?].

I am no real fan of Tech nor do I begrudge them for moving to the WAC, they probably could have (and should have) been a bit more humble and appreciative of their time in the Sun Belt...but that goes to character and I'm not in the mood to judge; we've got bigger issues to deal with here.

If Tech does not move to the Alliance then both sides should swallow some pride for the benefit of the whole. I like the strength of Tech's football program and think they'll make this conference much stronger. Maybe this is why WW has moved on and perhaps taken some of this bad-blood baggage with him...let's hope so.

Let's not mince words here...saying La Tech and Southern Miss have similar quality football. That is incorrect. Since 2002 Southern Miss has not had a losing season. Since 2002...La Tech has had only 3 winning seasons. That is not a tradition of winning football. Any winning they did was at the 1-AA level. Southern Miss is a charter member of Division 1-A. Southern Miss and La Tech have played 44 games against each other...Southern Miss has won 31 of them. Please do not confuse La Tech's tradition with Southern Miss tradition. They could not be any less like each other.

Actually, the FIU fan had it right. Since 1968, Tech is ranked #34 in the nation in winning percentage (.56295) and Southern Miss is ranked #29 (.58415).

Tech and Southern Miss have played each other 18 times since 1968 and USM leads 11-7 and the average score is 20-18. USM won the last 2 games in 2010 and 2011 by a combined score of 32-29.

Southern Miss has won 6 conference championships since 1968 and Tech has won 9. USM won the CUSA championship this year and Tech won the WAC championship this year. (USM beat Tech 19-17 in Hattiesburg this year).

Tech is only 174-174 playing at the highest level of college football. .500 on the dot, mediocre, on the dot.

I know, but look where Tech ranks among Sun Belt and CUSA teams since 1990:

Marshall: 114-63
USM: 161-105
Troy: 72-62
ECU: 137-126
La Tech: 126-130
Tulsa: 120-142
MTSU: 69-85
FAU: 41-56
Rice: 106-145
UAB: 75-110
ULL: 93-157
Ark State: 83-148
ULM: 71-136
UTEP: 87-170
Tulane: 86-169
FIU: 32-63
UNT: 66-133

Shouldn't you only use data from 2001? Two decades kinds screws the data.

(03-08-2012 02:03 PM)MTowho Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 02:01 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:58 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:56 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Its Georgia State.

It makes travel easy for fans and other conference sports teams.

SBC East

FAU
FIU
Middle Tennessee
Troy
South Alabama

Um...Western Kentucky? If we add Georgia State, South Alabama gets pushed to the west.

Yeah, I can see that:


FAU
FIU
Ga State
Middle Tenn
WKU
Troy

Honestly I'd rather go to 14 and keep USA in the east if that were the case, but that's just my selfish opinion because I like the Troy-USA-MT-WKU combination sticking together.

One in the east and three in the west accomplishes that.

(03-08-2012 02:09 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 02:03 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:53 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 11:53 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 10:20 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  Let's not mince words here...saying La Tech and Southern Miss have similar quality football. That is incorrect. Since 2002 Southern Miss has not had a losing season. Since 2002...La Tech has had only 3 winning seasons. That is not a tradition of winning football. Any winning they did was at the 1-AA level. Southern Miss is a charter member of Division 1-A. Southern Miss and La Tech have played 44 games against each other...Southern Miss has won 31 of them. Please do not confuse La Tech's tradition with Southern Miss tradition. They could not be any less like each other.

Actually, the FIU fan had it right. Since 1968, Tech is ranked #34 in the nation in winning percentage (.56295) and Southern Miss is ranked #29 (.58415).

Tech and Southern Miss have played each other 18 times since 1968 and USM leads 11-7 and the average score is 20-18. USM won the last 2 games in 2010 and 2011 by a combined score of 32-29.

Southern Miss has won 6 conference championships since 1968 and Tech has won 9. USM won the CUSA championship this year and Tech won the WAC championship this year. (USM beat Tech 19-17 in Hattiesburg this year).

Tech is only 174-174 playing at the highest level of college football. .500 on the dot, mediocre, on the dot.

I know, but look where Tech ranks among Sun Belt and CUSA teams since 1990:

Marshall: 114-63
USM: 161-105
Troy: 72-62
ECU: 137-126
La Tech: 126-130
Tulsa: 120-142
MTSU: 69-85
FAU: 41-56
Rice: 106-145
UAB: 75-110
ULL: 93-157
Ark State: 83-148
ULM: 71-136
UTEP: 87-170
Tulane: 86-169
FIU: 32-63
UNT: 66-133

Shouldn't you only use data from 2001? Two decades kinds screws the data.

USM: 86-55
Troy: 72-62
Tulsa: 75-65
Marshall: 71-64
La Tech: 62-72
MTSU: 60-72
ECU: 62-75
Ark St: 57-75
FAU: 41-56
ULL: 53-77
Rice: 51-80
UTEP: 51-82
UAB: 49-81
UNT: 47-86
ULM: 45-84
FIU: 32-63
Tulane: 42-90
WKU: 18-42

I would prefer that as well. I want the Troy and USA together.

FAU
FIU
Ga State
Middle Tenn
WKU
Troy
USA



The west would look like

ASU
La Tech
ULL
ULM
UNT
UTSA
Texas State ?

I would prefer App State over Texas State. However, with Temple to the Big East, does the MAC look at App State to get back to 14? Or does it just wait on Charlotte?

(03-08-2012 02:18 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 02:09 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 02:03 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 01:53 PM)BMcKitchup Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 11:53 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Actually, the FIU fan had it right. Since 1968, Tech is ranked #34 in the nation in winning percentage (.56295) and Southern Miss is ranked #29 (.58415).

Tech and Southern Miss have played each other 18 times since 1968 and USM leads 11-7 and the average score is 20-18. USM won the last 2 games in 2010 and 2011 by a combined score of 32-29.

Southern Miss has won 6 conference championships since 1968 and Tech has won 9. USM won the CUSA championship this year and Tech won the WAC championship this year. (USM beat Tech 19-17 in Hattiesburg this year).

Tech is only 174-174 playing at the highest level of college football. .500 on the dot, mediocre, on the dot.

I know, but look where Tech ranks among Sun Belt and CUSA teams since 1990:

Marshall: 114-63
USM: 161-105
Troy: 72-62
ECU: 137-126
La Tech: 126-130
Tulsa: 120-142
MTSU: 69-85
FAU: 41-56
Rice: 106-145
UAB: 75-110
ULL: 93-157
Ark State: 83-148
ULM: 71-136
UTEP: 87-170
Tulane: 86-169
FIU: 32-63
UNT: 66-133

Shouldn't you only use data from 2001? Two decades kinds screws the data.

USM: 86-55
Troy: 72-62
Tulsa: 75-65
Marshall: 71-64
La Tech: 62-72
MTSU: 60-72
ECU: 62-75
Ark St: 57-75
FAU: 41-56
ULL: 53-77
Rice: 51-80
UTEP: 51-82
UAB: 49-81
UNT: 47-86
ULM: 45-84
FIU: 32-63
Tulane: 42-90
WKU: 18-42

Thanks

(03-08-2012 02:19 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  I would prefer that as well. I want the Troy and USA together.

FAU
FIU
Ga State
Middle Tenn
WKU
Troy
USA



The west would look like

ASU
La Tech
ULL
ULM
UNT
UTSA
Texas State ?

I would prefer App State over Texas State. However, with Temple to the Big East, does the MAC look at App State to get back to 14? Or does it just wait on Charlotte?

If you add App State over Texas State we're right back where we started from with USA pushed to the west due to adding two in the east and two in the west.

It would appear that there is a 67% chance South Alabama wil be in the west Division. What is the chance that MT get the final call from CUSA/Alliance?

(03-07-2012 07:33 PM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  

(03-07-2012 07:27 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-07-2012 07:18 PM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  Why GA State? Are they going to fill Denver or New Orleans spots in non-football sports? If we expand to Georgia we need Georgia Southern, not a start up football program with no tradition/prestige.

Georgia State makes much more big picture sense than Georgia Southern does. It's an easy decision.

The only plus with GA State, that I can see, is Atlanta. No offense to GA State, but the only teams people care about are UGA, Tech, and Southern. GA State has that "commuter campus" feel to it. Of course that's just my opinion and I'm from Georgia.

(03-08-2012 02:19 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  I would prefer App State over Texas State. However, with Temple to the Big East, does the MAC look at App State to get back to 14? Or does it just wait on Charlotte?

I'd be very surprised if the MAC showed serious interest in us. Their footprint is so tight in the Michigan/Ohio area, I believe Temple's departure would leave them with only 4 schools outside of those 2 states. I'm not sure they'd be interested in moving into NC.

Not that we are in a position to pick and choose but given the option between MAC and Sun Belt, I'd take the Sun Belt every time. It just seems like a better fit for us.

I could see the MAC surprising some people and taking App, JMU, ODU, and creating an eastern cluster. Wait, make that group, with the alliance "cluster f" in progress, I'd like to give the word cluster a wide berth.

Its an environment of big moves, and the MAC is very quiet, thats odd.

(03-08-2012 09:53 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I've been banging a drum for Tech and Appy for a long time. Tech's got a long tradition of quality football (similar to a USM). FIU's distance from that area and only having been a member with them for a couple of years may also allow for 'some' perspective here. Tech went to a WAC which was on the upswing with good football being played at Boise, Fresno, Hawai'i, etc. Unfortunately for them the WAC's been decimated by realignment and they burned a bunch of bridges on their way to the WAC [they had a choice to go to a strong WAC or stay and help build the Sun Belt's fledgling football program; what would your school do?].

I am no real fan of Tech nor do I begrudge them for moving to the WAC, they probably could have (and should have) been a bit more humble and appreciative of their time in the Sun Belt...but that goes to character and I'm not in the mood to judge; we've got bigger issues to deal with here.

If Tech does not move to the Alliance then both sides should swallow some pride for the benefit of the whole. I like the strength of Tech's football program and think they'll make this conference much stronger. Maybe this is why WW has moved on and perhaps taken some of this bad-blood baggage with him...let's hope so.

Don't worry FIU, North Texas, & LaTech will get invites to the Alliance

(03-08-2012 04:05 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(03-08-2012 09:53 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I've been banging a drum for Tech and Appy for a long time. Tech's got a long tradition of quality football (similar to a USM). FIU's distance from that area and only having been a member with them for a couple of years may also allow for 'some' perspective here. Tech went to a WAC which was on the upswing with good football being played at Boise, Fresno, Hawai'i, etc. Unfortunately for them the WAC's been decimated by realignment and they burned a bunch of bridges on their way to the WAC [they had a choice to go to a strong WAC or stay and help build the Sun Belt's fledgling football program; what would your school do?].

I am no real fan of Tech nor do I begrudge them for moving to the WAC, they probably could have (and should have) been a bit more humble and appreciative of their time in the Sun Belt...but that goes to character and I'm not in the mood to judge; we've got bigger issues to deal with here.

If Tech does not move to the Alliance then both sides should swallow some pride for the benefit of the whole. I like the strength of Tech's football program and think they'll make this conference much stronger. Maybe this is why WW has moved on and perhaps taken some of this bad-blood baggage with him...let's hope so.

Don't worry FIU, North Texas, & LaTech will get invites to the Alliance

Says the Tech fan sweating profusely, sitting in a dark corner in the fetal position rocking back and forth.

Why would South possibly get pushed to the West, and lose any semblance of rivals we have in WKU, Troy, and to a lesser extent MTSU? That wouldn't make any sense. Assuming we keep everybody currently, it would make the most sense to go after two western schools already in that footprint to keep the divisions even and avoid any re-alignment. We'll go to 12 and play before we ever consider touching 14.

LaTech and UTSA are my votes. Then depending on who we lose, if anybody, in order after those guys I'd go Texas St, App St, Georgia Southern, Ga State.