(01-30-2012 02:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-30-2012 02:06 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(01-30-2012 12:40 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Best idea yet...keep the divisions the way they are, put Pitt in the Atlantic and pair them with VT and Syracuse in the Coastal and pair them with BC. 8 conference games for home/away balance. 6 division games, your annual rival, and a rotating opponent.

This is best option.

^^^ This ^^^ (Sorry Newbies -- you don't get to play each other every year... but at least you both get to play BC)

Call me strange, but I'm hoping for 9 conference games/year. I'm also in favor of rewarding FSU, GIT, Clemson, Wake, and anyone else who'll schedule an SEC OOC game with either a BYE the week before or else a THU game followed by 9 days to prepare. Oh, and Duke should ALWAYS be a sacrificial lamb the next-to-last week for one of these OOC Rivalry teams! (Probably a tune-up for GIT, Miami, or someone in their Division; to make the final game between UNC & Duke fair, UNC should play the other of either GIT or Miami in the penultimate game).

That's what I would do if I were the ACC commish.

Syracuse will be playing Pittsburgh and Boston College annually.

Newbies want to come in and start bossin' grown folks around!

(01-30-2012 04:15 PM)snowycuse Wrote:  

(01-30-2012 02:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-30-2012 02:06 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(01-30-2012 12:40 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Best idea yet...keep the divisions the way they are, put Pitt in the Atlantic and pair them with VT and Syracuse in the Coastal and pair them with BC. 8 conference games for home/away balance. 6 division games, your annual rival, and a rotating opponent.

This is best option.

^^^ This ^^^ (Sorry Newbies -- you don't get to play each other every year... but at least you both get to play BC)

Call me strange, but I'm hoping for 9 conference games/year. I'm also in favor of rewarding FSU, GIT, Clemson, Wake, and anyone else who'll schedule an SEC OOC game with either a BYE the week before or else a THU game followed by 9 days to prepare. Oh, and Duke should ALWAYS be a sacrificial lamb the next-to-last week for one of these OOC Rivalry teams! (Probably a tune-up for GIT, Miami, or someone in their Division; to make the final game between UNC & Duke fair, UNC should play the other of either GIT or Miami in the penultimate game).

That's what I would do if I were the ACC commish.

Syracuse will be playing Pittsburgh and Boston College annually.

Don't see it happening, unless you play one of them OOC the years they aren't on your rotation.

The Atlantic is already making a trip to the far north every year, and is the furthest spread out geographically. The Atlantic schools want Pitt to balance out the geography.

(01-30-2012 12:21 PM)snowycuse Wrote:  ...
Syracuse---------------Pittsburgh
Boston College-------Maryland
Virginia Tech----------Virginia
North Carolina--------NC State
Duke---------------------Wake Forest
Georgia Tech----------Clemson
Miami--------------------Florida State

Syracuse----Pittsburgh & Maryland
Boston College---Maryland & Pittsburgh

Virginia Tech----Virginia & Wake Forest
North Carolina----NC State & Virginia
Duke----Wake Forest & NC State

Georgia Tech----Clemson & Florida State
Miami----Florida State & Clemson

What a nightmare that would be. 6 division and 2 permanent partners means there's only 1 game to rotate between FSU, Clemson, NC State, Maryland and Pitt. No way do I only want to play those schools home and away once every 10 years.

Yea... I'd hate the idea of 2 cross overs

Regardless of what else the ACC office comes up with, I wish they would drop the idea of having to play both home & away before moving to the next team in the rotation -- in other words, play every team once (whether home or away) before playing the return games. [did that make sense?] As it is, the rotation just takes too long (and playing the same team 2 years in a row does NOT make up for having to wait 4 years to play them again!)

(01-31-2012 09:56 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Regardless of what else the ACC office comes up with, I wish they would drop the idea of having to play both home & away before moving to the next team in the rotation -- in other words, play every team once (whether home or away) before playing the return games. [did that make sense?] As it is, the rotation just takes too long (and playing the same team 2 years in a row does NOT make up for having to wait 4 years to play them again!)

Yes, this makes total sense. Didn't know that the ACC did it that way. Yikes

Here is my opinion on what the ACC should look like. I believe in the zipper format due to the fact that it gives all schools access to northern and southern schools. I DO NOT favor a north vs south split unless the ACC expands to 16 with ND and PSU. Since that will not happen, I say put Pitt and Syracuse both in the Atlantic and move BC over to the Coastal. That reunites BC and Miami as an annual game, preserves a traditional game for Pitt vs Syracuse and still keeps the majority of fans reasonably happy. Divisions and Cross over games below:

Atlantic........Coastal
Fla St..........Miami
Clemson.......Ga Tech
NC St..........UNC
Wake F........Duke
Maryland......Virginia
Pitt.............Va Tech
Syracuse......Boston College

I realize that Syracuse would likely prefer developing FB rivalries with UNC and Duke than NC St and Wake, but I think it's more important to preserve a long standing annual game between Pitt and Syracuse. I also want to have Va Tech as an annual cross over too, so this is the best of both worlds. Otherwise, stick Pitt in the Atlantic and Syracuse in the Coastal and make SU and BC cross divisional rivals while Pitt and Va Tech are cross divisional rivals.

Since we're giving our preferences.

Atlantic
FSU
GT
Clemson
WF
NC State
Duke
UNC

Coastal
Miami
VT
UVa
Maryland
Pitt
Syracuse
BC

Crossover Rivalries
FSU-Miami
GT-Pitt
Clemson-VT
UNC-UVa
NC State-Maryland
Duke-Syracuse
WF-BC

(01-31-2012 06:18 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Since we're giving our preferences.

Atlantic
FSU
GT
Clemson
WF
NC State
Duke
UNC

Coastal
Miami
VT
UVa
Maryland
Pitt
Syracuse
BC

Crossover Rivalries
FSU-Miami
GT-Pitt
Clemson-VT
UNC-UVa
NC State-Maryland
Duke-Syracuse
WF-BC

That wouldn't be bad, having cross division rivals may make that setup nicer for UMD, UVA, and VT. Who would all like to continue playing the southern schools regularly. 9 game conference schedules means 6 in division, 1 annual cross division, 2 rotating cross division. So they would get there fix, plus still have close games to drive to like UVA, UMD, and Pitt in division.

(01-31-2012 05:50 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Here is my opinion on what the ACC should look like. I believe in the zipper format due to the fact that it gives all schools access to northern and southern schools. I DO NOT favor a north vs south split unless the ACC expands to 16 with ND and PSU. Since that will not happen, I say put Pitt and Syracuse both in the Atlantic and move BC over to the Coastal. That reunites BC and Miami as an annual game, preserves a traditional game for Pitt vs Syracuse and still keeps the majority of fans reasonably happy. Divisions and Cross over games below:

Atlantic........Coastal
Fla St..........Miami
Clemson.......Ga Tech
NC St..........UNC
Wake F........Duke
Maryland......Virginia
Pitt.............Va Tech
Syracuse......Boston College

I realize that Syracuse would likely prefer developing FB rivalries with UNC and Duke than NC St and Wake, but I think it's more important to preserve a long standing annual game between Pitt and Syracuse. I also want to have Va Tech as an annual cross over too, so this is the best of both worlds. Otherwise, stick Pitt in the Atlantic and Syracuse in the Coastal and make SU and BC cross divisional rivals while Pitt and Va Tech are cross divisional rivals.

It is difficult to balance everything out to be sure.

I believe everyone is in agreement that Syracuse/Boston College need to be split up as well as Miami/FSU.

Not sure if everyone holds firm that FSU/Virginia Tech need to be kept as part for competitive reasons.

Syracuse needs to play Boston College and Pittsburgh which means Cuse/Pitt will have to go in the same division.

UNC needs to play Duke and Virginia apparently.

Virginia Tech is fine as long as they do not have to leave the state of Virginia.

Clemson/G. Tech need to play and probably should be kept apart.

Maryland/Virginia should play, Duke/Wake, UNC/NC State.

BC/Miami need to be reunited and Syracuse/Miami was the Big East at one point so that would be good to get going as well especially given the amount of Orange fans in S. Florida.

So how do we make it all work?

(01-30-2012 02:06 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(01-30-2012 12:40 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Best idea yet...keep the divisions the way they are, put Pitt in the Atlantic and pair them with VT and Syracuse in the Coastal and pair them with BC. 8 conference games for home/away balance. 6 division games, your annual rival, and a rotating opponent.

This is best option.

AGREED. This is the best & easiest option. We can always revisit realignment down the road if needed. Use the K.I.S.S. principle first on complex situations.

following the "simple" alignment (9 games) could yield this schedule for Syracuse:
Annual games: BC, VT, UVa, UNC, Duke, GT, Miami
Rotating: Pitt, Maryland, NC St, Wake, Clemson, FSU

and this would be the schedule for Pitt:
Annual: VT, BC, Maryland, NC St, Wake, Clemson, FSU
Rotate: Syracuse, UVa, UNC, Duke, GT, Miami

Look, no one in any 2-division conference gets everything they want (e.g. Florida doesn't play Alabama every year either). All things considered, this isn't so bad.

(01-31-2012 07:51 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(01-30-2012 02:06 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(01-30-2012 12:40 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Best idea yet...keep the divisions the way they are, put Pitt in the Atlantic and pair them with VT and Syracuse in the Coastal and pair them with BC. 8 conference games for home/away balance. 6 division games, your annual rival, and a rotating opponent.

This is best option.

AGREED. This is the best & easiest option. We can always revisit realignment down the road if needed. Use the K.I.S.S. principle first on complex situations.

As long as it's 9 conference games and 2 rotating opponents, that's fine. 1 rotating opponent for 6 schools is ridiculous. You'd only play those 6 schools home and away once every 12 years. Once every 6 years is bad enough with 2 rotating games. I'd rather go to 10 conference games and uncouple the home away pairings as Hokie Mark suggested so you'd play everyone in the conference every 2 years.

(01-31-2012 06:18 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Since we're giving our preferences.
...

Sure, why not. Since we're stating what we'd want.

Atlantic
Duke
Maryland
North Carolina
N.C. State
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

Coastal
Boston College
Clemson
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
Pittsburgh
Syracuse

No permanent cross over partners. Basketball, play every one in your division home and away with 4 game to rotate around the other division. Lots of close away games in the Atlantic. Would be good for attendance.

(01-31-2012 08:44 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(01-31-2012 07:51 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(01-30-2012 02:06 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(01-30-2012 12:40 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Best idea yet...keep the divisions the way they are, put Pitt in the Atlantic and pair them with VT and Syracuse in the Coastal and pair them with BC. 8 conference games for home/away balance. 6 division games, your annual rival, and a rotating opponent.

This is best option.

AGREED. This is the best & easiest option. We can always revisit realignment down the road if needed. Use the K.I.S.S. principle first on complex situations.

As long as it's 9 conference games and 2 rotating opponents, that's fine. 1 rotating opponent for 6 schools is ridiculous. You'd only play those 6 schools home and away once every 12 years. Once every 6 years is bad enough with 2 rotating games. I'd rather go to 10 conference games and uncouple the home away pairings as Hokie Mark suggested so you'd play everyone in the conference every 2 years.

Chris, my main focus really is on the placement of Pitt in the Atlantic & Cuse in the Coastal. My main emphasis is that the additions should take place with the least amount of disruption. Changes can always be made in the future after further consideration by the conference members.

(01-31-2012 08:44 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  As long as it's 9 conference games and 2 rotating opponents, that's fine.

If we have to play a 9 game schedule I hope the divisions we are part of are broke down like this


East

Clemson
FSU
West Virginia
Louisville
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

West

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
BYU


With the exception of Virginia Tech and maybe Miami there aren't any other teams in the ACC I care to see more often than we already do. UVA, UNC, and Duke...despite the long history....simply aren't attractive games to Clemson fans. We have played Pitt and Syracuse once apiece in bowl games.

(02-01-2012 06:51 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  If we have to play a 9 game schedule I hope the divisions we are part of are broke down like this


East

Clemson
FSU
West Virginia
Louisville
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

West

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
BYU


With the exception of Virginia Tech and maybe Miami there aren't any other teams in the ACC I care to see more often than we already do. UVA, UNC, and Duke...despite the long history....simply aren't attractive games to Clemson fans. We have played Pitt and Syracuse once apiece in bowl games.

What's the difference between Duke, UNC, and UVA and Kansas, Kansas St, and Iowa State?

(02-01-2012 07:48 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(02-01-2012 06:51 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  If we have to play a 9 game schedule I hope the divisions we are part of are broke down like this


East

Clemson
FSU
West Virginia
Louisville
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State

West

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
BYU


With the exception of Virginia Tech and maybe Miami there aren't any other teams in the ACC I care to see more often than we already do. UVA, UNC, and Duke...despite the long history....simply aren't attractive games to Clemson fans. We have played Pitt and Syracuse once apiece in bowl games.

Sorry. There aren't any in-conference games that the vast majority of Clemson fans would like to see instead of upcoming OOC series against Georgia, Ole Miss, and Oklahoma State.

While Virginia Tech might want to see the old guard ACC more often because it has been a long time goal to be in the same conference, we have been with them since the 1920's in the SoCon. We already play the only original ACC team that has overall been competitive against us (Maryland we lead the series 32-26-2), the original school that shares our educational mission (NC State) and the original school that actually cares about football (Wake Forest). I have no desire to watch us play UNC, UVA, and Duke (teams we are a combined 107-43-3 against) on a more regular basis.

(02-01-2012 08:01 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Sorry. There aren't any in-conference games that the vast majority of Clemson fans would like to see instead of upcoming OOC series against Georgia, Ole Miss, and Oklahoma State.

While Virginia Tech might want to see the old guard ACC more often because it has been a long time goal to be in the same conference, we have been with them since the 1920's in the SoCon. We already play the only original ACC team that has overall been competitive against us (Maryland we lead the series 32-26-2), the original school that shares our educational mission (NC State) and the original school that actually cares about football (Wake Forest). I have no desire to watch us play UNC, UVA, and Duke (teams we are a combined 107-43-3 against) on a more regular basis.

That's all fine and good. What would be the difference though? You'd be trading those 3 schools for Kansas, Kansas State, and Iowa State.

You'd lose easy to drive to games, also. I don't see any gain.