Just wanted your thoughts on Mick Hubert's comments about the ACC really looking at going to a 14 member league within the next 10 years by adding two big east teams while the SEC is also researching the idea of adding two more teams while there seems to be some thoughts about Pac10, Big 12, and Big 10 expansion. Looks like some SEC schools want to expand into the state of North Carolina while others want Texas. Also, I never understood why the Big East never added more football members. If the ACC begins to raid once again, several callers thought that either UConn or the Orange were gone, and Pitt might go to the Big 10. Thoughts!

Nobody is expanding beyond 12. It's not financially viable.

I think the ACC will ultimately expand to 24 teams.

Lets see the biggest story in college sports has just been broken by a radio talking head in Florida....not likely. Most of the country doesn't know who Mick Hubert is and don't listen to Florida Gator radio. Hell, most of Florida doesn't listen to Mick Hubert since the majority of the state are 'Cane and "Nole fans. :D
You should try a little thought before posting sh*t like this. How could the SEC and ACC expand further when they can't feed the 12 mouths they have now. The simply truth is ACC expansion has proved to be a bust. Swafford and his croines swung for the fence and struck out...LMAO. The kicker was when Swafford worked a deal to include this years BCS ranking of teams coming into the ACC and Big East next year. Winner the Big East....
CJ

WacoBearcat Wrote:I think the ACC will ultimately expand to 24 teams.

Waco,
I must disagree. I can't see the ACC stopping until they reach at least 48 teams. :D Surely if they add that many teams they will be able to add 1 or 2 quality teams...LMAO
CJ

Quote:Looks like some SEC schools want to expand into the state of North Carolina

Looking at it from our (Big East) perspective, you have to love the irony of the SEC potentially raiding the ACC for a school in North Carolina. :D

nflsucks Wrote:Nobody is expanding beyond 12. It's not financially viable.

Not Necessairly........

If the schools to 14 can add enough TV dollars its theoretically possible. Unlikely but possible.

I think the only way a conference is going to Super-Size is if they can leverage geography to their advantage. Simply adding teams just dilutes revenues. You have to do something to increase revenue, and you do that by adding markets - adding markets that you dominate.

The ACC can expand to 14, 16, even 18 by going into the Big East region. This would give the ACC the entire eastern seaboard, and... no other major conference competing with them.

The SEC can't expand because it is hemmed in by the Big 12, Big 10, and ACC (and the Gulf of Mexico).

The Big 10 could expand into the Big East region instead of the ACC. Once again, dominate the region - dominate from the Mississippi River to the Atlantic. The only thing is that the big 10 has shown no appetite for expansion like that. Nor does it seem to need it. The Big 10 has plenty of money.

So, in my humble opinion the only conference likely to Supersize would be the ACC.

The question is how big?

I'd like to see them take the entire Big East.

North Division
Cincy
Conn
Louisville
Maryland
Pitt
Rutgers
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech
West Virginia

South Division
Clemson
Duke
Florida St
GT
Miami FL
NC
NCS
SC
South Fl
Wake

...which would create two ten-team divisions, which would dominate the east.

Quote:Not Necessairly........
If the schools to 14 can add enough TV dollars its theoretically possible. Unlikely but possible.

-- The only two schools in the east who could bring in those kind of dollars are Penn St and Notre Dame...no BE football team has that kind of market appeal


Jackson

Hubert never said that it was going to happen, he just stated that he has heard that after some in the ACC are researching the idea, some in the SEC have started to look at the idea of going to 14. Some other points that were made were:
1) This was not going to happen in the near future, but 5 to 10 to 15 years down the road.
2) NO MORE D-1AA games, 14 teams would give both conferences an extra conference game
3) Several ADs in the ACC have made it well known that they are looking at going to 14, esp if the money is there
4) Fox is getting involved and have expressed interest in televising football, basketball, and non-revenue sports for major conferences, and it would not matter what teams were added, it would be based on the state since the SEC and JP can sign contracts to show games throughout an entire state and surrounding region if there is an SEC school located there.
5) SEC wants to get into the state of NC, even taking ECU if they had to (wtf) see #4 (SEC games in NC and parts of VA) and get into Texas, but Texas and A&M will not leave the Big 12
6) Inside info that other conferences beside the ACC and SEC are looking at going to 14, ie the Big 12, Big 10, and Pac 10.

Kit-Cat Wrote:

nflsucks Wrote:Nobody is expanding beyond 12.  It's not financially viable.

Not Necessairly........

If the schools to 14 can add enough TV dollars its theoretically possible. Unlikely but possible.

MAC fan...we are talking about real dollars here. Not the pennies that non-BCS conferences must split. In a conference like the MAC you could add 50 schools and not reduce the revenue payout. If you don't have anything to share, whats the problem. In BCS dollars your talking millions.
Its simple economics. If the money isn't there it won't work.
CJ

USFBullSpit Wrote:Several ADs in the ACC have made it well known that they are looking at going to 14, esp if the money is there


Fox is getting involved and have expressed interest in televising football, basketball, and non-revenue sports for major conferences

Please produce a link or some viable source that this is going on. I'm not talking about some idiot like Hubert or another ACC flunky but an impartional media source. You see the truth of the matter is you won't find it. For the sake of the ACC I hope it is though. Everything Swafford and his boys touch turns to sh*t. It is common knowledge that ACC expansion thus far has been less than successful. I can't wait for their next bungle.
As for Fox getting involved that has been common knowledge here on the Big East board for months.
CJ

Haven't they seen the movie Supersize Me? And learned that Supersizing is unhealthy for them? :D Heck, even McDonald's is dropping its supersize menu...... These ACC and SEC folks just won't learn. :stupid:

GatorNation Wrote:Just wanted your thoughts on Mick Hubert's comments about the ACC really looking at going to a 14 member league within the next 10 years by adding two big east teams while the SEC is also researching the idea of adding two more teams while there seems to be some thoughts about Pac10, Big 12, and Big 10 expansion. Looks like some SEC schools want to expand into the state of North Carolina while others want Texas. Also, I never understood why the Big East never added more football members. If the ACC begins to raid once again, several callers thought that either UConn or the Orange were gone, and Pitt might go to the Big 10. Thoughts!

The ACC and SEC aren't expanding to 14. Period.

Kit-Cat Wrote:

nflsucks Wrote:Nobody is expanding beyond 12.  It's not financially viable.

Not Necessairly........

If the schools to 14 can add enough TV dollars its theoretically possible. Unlikely but possible.

Wrong. The SEC just had a meeting last spring and said they weren't expanding to 14 because adding two members DID NOT increase TV dollars. The ACC said the same thing during conference expansion. So people who think adding two more members to a 12 team conference will increase TV dollars are wrong. And that's not my opinion that's the opinions of these conferences.

USFBullSpit Wrote:Hubert never said that it was going to happen, he just stated that he has heard that after some in the ACC are researching the idea, some in the SEC have started to look at the idea of going to 14. Some other points that were made were:
1) This was not going to happen in the near future, but 5 to 10 to 15 years down the road.
2) NO MORE D-1AA games, 14 teams would give both conferences an extra conference game
3) Several ADs in the ACC have made it well known that they are looking at going to 14, esp if the money is there
4) Fox is getting involved and have expressed interest in televising football, basketball, and non-revenue sports for major conferences, and it would not matter what teams were added, it would be based on the state since the SEC and JP can sign contracts to show games throughout an entire state and surrounding region if there is an SEC school located there.
5) SEC wants to get into the state of NC, even taking ECU if they had to (wtf) see #4 (SEC games in NC and parts of VA) and get into Texas, but Texas and A&M will not leave the Big 12
6) Inside info that other conferences beside the ACC and SEC are looking at going to 14, ie the Big 12, Big 10, and Pac 10.

This guy is full of crap. So he's the only guy in America with "inside information"? Ok.

You guys better scoop ECU up before the SEC comes calling! :D

I agree that a 14 school conference is highly unlikely. I do believe that ECU would have a good shot at SEC membership if a miracle did occur. ECU is located in a southeastn state that has no other SEC member to block my Pirates from admission. The only other truly southeastern states not covered by the SEC are North Carolina & Virginia. ECU would also DOMINATE the Tidewater market as a member of the SEC. The ACC would cringe with the thought of all those well known SEC schools playing ball in North Carolina on a regular basis, since the local media would be forced to give the SEC more publicity & coverage. Don't even get me started on the recruiting advantage ECU would aquire.

Well, I can dream can't I folks?

Murph1 Wrote:

Quote:Looks like some SEC schools want to expand into the state of North Carolina

Looking at it from our (Big East) perspective, you have to love the irony of the SEC potentially raiding the ACC for a school in North Carolina. :D

Who said they would raid the ACC? There is another more SEC-like school located right in NC!!!

RIVER CITY PIRATE Wrote:

Murph1 Wrote:

Quote:Looks like some SEC schools want to expand into the state of North Carolina

Looking at it from our (Big East) perspective, you have to love the irony of the SEC potentially raiding the ACC for a school in North Carolina. :D

Who said they would raid the ACC? There is another more SEC-like school located right in NC!!!

Man, you jumped off the Big East bandwagon pretty quickly, huh?

Murph, you have my word that ECU will not leave the BE if we are invited to the SEC.