(12-22-2011 07:09 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Like I just said, more teams does not mean better quality. the MAC could have 20 teams, but if 14 of them suck then they do not deserve more bowl tie-ins. the Sun Belt is proving it deserves more bowls, I don't really see the MAC doing the same. the top teams in yalls Conference are solid, but the bottom programs are just aweful.

You should wait till this bowl season is over; currently, the MAC is 2-0 with three games remaining. If the MAC wins all their games, then they have a decent argument for more bowl tie-ins.

We are a conference on the rise, just need to prove that we deserve extra bowl bids. If the Big East drops a few, we could look to those. The BBVA Compass Bowl would be a magical fit for SBC schools I think, and I'd very much like a tie-in (secondary or primary) to that one. It's not far from most of the SBC schools. But we'll just have to see. For now I think it was good having 3 teams in for the second straight year, given bowls' disdain for SBC teams in the past.

(12-22-2011 08:36 PM)tyler90wm Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 07:09 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Like I just said, more teams does not mean better quality. the MAC could have 20 teams, but if 14 of them suck then they do not deserve more bowl tie-ins. the Sun Belt is proving it deserves more bowls, I don't really see the MAC doing the same. the top teams in yalls Conference are solid, but the bottom programs are just aweful.

You should wait till this bowl season is over; currently, the MAC is 2-0 with three games remaining. If the MAC wins all their games, then they have a decent argument for more bowl tie-ins.

No, let's bash them early and disappear when we are proven wrong...it's what Conf USA and MAC fans do to us.

We have more teams in all, but along with more worse teams we also have more competitive teams. If we have 13 teams, the top half is 6 teams, more than the 4 which would be the top half of the SBC. 7 teams with records .500 or better. Even if some are FCS wins. EMU beat WMU, and heald there own against NIU.

NIU beat Buffalo by 1.
NIU lost to CMU by 8.
OU lost to Ball State, and Kent State.
BG beat Temple.
BG lost to Toledo by 7.
Ball State almost beat NIU.

Besides Akron, CMU, and Buffalo the MAC is a tough conference. And even those teams were competitive this year. It makes me question NIU because they are bipolar but it's not easy to take down the best in the conference. The only team who was consistant in beating teams that they should have (by good margins) was Toledo.

This MAC isn't what it was last year. 2 good teams, 3 mediocre teams, then garbage. We're a solid conference this year and graduated the least starters of any conference from a year ago.

Yes, but you have that many winning teams because you are padding your wins with MAC bottom feeders. We have 3-4 teams to do that with. Your top teams have twice as many. Also, it was probably a typo but it's "Held" not "Heald" (not calling you out just letting you know in case it wasn't a typo).

(12-23-2011 01:07 PM)BlueRaiderFan. Wrote:  Yes, but you have that many winning teams because you are padding your wins with MAC bottom feeders. We have 3-4 teams to do that with. Your top teams have twice as many. Also, it was probably a typo but it's "Held" not "Heald" (not calling you out just letting you know in case it wasn't a typo).

Thanks for the correction.

I think it's just perception of how you look at it.
Like I showed our #1 teams only loss was a bottom feeder tho, so that doesn't hold true like usual. That could mean our conference is balanced, or weak. We'll have to see how the MAC does in bowl games. We are only favored in 2 out of 5, and have already won 2 of them. If we win one more, that's better than Vegas thought we would do. Purdue, air force and stAte won't be easy tho. But the West division teams are all superior to the east. And if they won, so can the west.

(12-22-2011 04:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 04:54 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 01:04 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 12:51 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Agreed. We need a 3rd tie in with the SBC. But this bowl is not one we need. Too too
Far we would average less than 20k

Ideally we would have 4... the existing two and two of the following: the Texas bowls + the Indy and the bowls based in Memphis/Nashville/Birmingham or a Florida bowl.

The SBC has 9 teams right? They do not deserve almost half of the league in bowls with auto tie ins. Sorry but if the MAC a 13 team league is only getting 3. The SBC should not get more than us. If any team deserves one more tie in it's the MAC. We have the least percentage in FBS.

And the MWC with all of the teams moving should go down a few teams. SDSU, Wyoming and TCU have not been up to par with what they were expected to do. BSU and TCU gone will leave that conference begging for 3 tie ins.

SEC has 9 tie ins...for a 12 team league. Why cant we have 4?

regardless of what people think is fair, based on MAC/SBC or whatever, each league should get a number of tie ins equal to the amount of teams they produce with winning records year after year. That's why I think the SBC doesn't need 4 tie ins, yet. But they could need it in the near future if we keep getting 4 teams bowl eligible.

(12-23-2011 03:50 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 04:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 04:54 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 01:04 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(12-22-2011 12:51 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Agreed. We need a 3rd tie in with the SBC. But this bowl is not one we need. Too too
Far we would average less than 20k

Ideally we would have 4... the existing two and two of the following: the Texas bowls + the Indy and the bowls based in Memphis/Nashville/Birmingham or a Florida bowl.

The SBC has 9 teams right? They do not deserve almost half of the league in bowls with auto tie ins. Sorry but if the MAC a 13 team league is only getting 3. The SBC should not get more than us. If any team deserves one more tie in it's the MAC. We have the least percentage in FBS.

And the MWC with all of the teams moving should go down a few teams. SDSU, Wyoming and TCU have not been up to par with what they were expected to do. BSU and TCU gone will leave that conference begging for 3 tie ins.

SEC has 9 tie ins...for a 12 team league. Why cant we have 4?

regardless of what people think is fair, based on MAC/SBC or whatever, each league should get a number of tie ins equal to the amount of teams they produce with winning records year after year. That's why I think the SBC doesn't need 4 tie ins, yet. But they could need it in the near future if we keep getting 4 teams bowl eligible.

I'm gona bash the MAC on this but, OU made it last year and they went bowling over 8-4 Temple, and 6-6 WMU. And OU was the worst bowl team in college football. Last year the MAC was super weak and you're saying we deserved to get Temple and WMU in auto tie ins as well?

We have 6 eligible this year, and 5 are worthy. I still don't think we deserve 5 tie ins. Nor do I think WKU should have gotten in from the Belt. It would equal too many bowls. You can't take every eligible team. Every 7-5 from every conference should make a bowl I could agree to that. I hate 6-6 teams who get in, but what do I know FIU beat Toledo, and Marshall just did the same thing to them.

I don't know if Ohio was that bad, or if we just gave 'em a good ol' country boy *** whoopin from Dixie. I like to think it was the latter.

(12-23-2011 07:03 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I don't know if Ohio was that bad, or if we just gave 'em a good ol' country boy *** whoopin from Dixie. I like to think it was the latter.

A Little of both probably. I can't think of a worse bowl team tho? Fresno looked bad, but NIU was amazing last year.

(12-23-2011 07:03 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I don't know if Ohio was that bad, or if we just gave 'em a good ol' country boy *** whoopin from Dixie. I like to think it was the latter.

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