Would bringing in an all sports program all sports at once affect the decision in comparison to bringing one in for football only and getting the rest of their sports in down the road?

Quote:Third, the Big East and A-10 have had a long relationship in working together. There has been increasing support from Charlotte, the University of Richmond, and George Washington University for the addition of East Carolina University for basketball and other sports besides football. This would provide all of these schools with another regional opponent, give the A-10 a top 25 baseball, softball, indoor and outdoor track and field, mens and womens swimming, cross-country, and women's golf team (all ECU teams which are/have been ranked in the top 25 this academic year), making the A-10 have more say so on the national level.

Fourth, don't be surpised to see St. Louis leave the A-10, and even if St. Louis stays, there would be not much difference between a 14 member A-10 and a 15 member A-10.

From what I have been told and from what I understand, I have no doubts that East Carolina will be the 9th member for football only at first, and if a split does occur, they would be extended full membership.

Football members of the current New Big East really should not worry about the BCS revenues because each school would receive the same if there were only 8 or 9 members. The pie would be extended, but not sliced even more, look at the ACC's move....

Last, don't be surprised to see a push for Nova to bring its football program up to D-1A. I am not saying that it is going to happen, but Nova may see a push from Mike T if a split seems likely as a way to save the 16/17 member Big East.

In my opinion, I think we should have split during expansion and a split will occur before 2010

-- Wow that is interesting.....when you were at MSG the other night...was Temple mentioned at all?....I have to admit that Philly would be a GREAT place for the new leauge to put down roots and have a confernece tourney/ league officies....I doubt very much that Nova will ever make the jump up to IA football like Uconn did.....the Wildcats have had several chances already to do so and have declined

-- Personally..I still can't see ECU or anyone not named Army/Navy coming in for football only without a private agreement from the football presidents that it would only be a temporary arrangment...but I could be wrong


Jackson

NYCOrangeGrad, I appreciate the information. I never quite understood why St. Louis was becoming a member of the Atlantic 10. The Bilikins are to the A-10 what ECU is to CUSA, on an island. ECU would be a perfect fit in the A-10. Hopefully this will all work out!

NYCOrangeGrad Wrote:Second, some Big East ADs that voted for Marquette and DePaul to join over adding a football school are now kicking themselves in the arse.  Making basketball into a super-power conference may backfire and hurt the NBE's overall RPI. 

That is an interesting point. These teams have good histories and the potential to become strong again, but in my opinion are not a good fit for the Big East conference.

Even a 14 team league would be an improvement over a 16 team league.

Wilkie01 Wrote:So we will have to raid the MAC or CDOA. ECU, Marshall, Southern Miss and UCF are the best from CDOA. Miami Ohio, Nothern Illinois and Toledo are the best from the MAC!

I can't answer for all of these, but I can answer for Miami of Ohio's chances of making it... ZERO.

1. I don't see UC allowing them in under any circumstances. That just adds more competition for football recruits in the Cincinnati market with a local team. UC and MU are generally not on the best of terms as well.

2. MU football averaged only 15K fans last year. Not that UC was much better (22K), but that is still a significant difference (50%).

3. MU basketball only averages around 3K.

4. Oxford is not a media market at all... it is a college town, not a big town with jobs (i.e. people) to watch the games on TV or in person.

mlbUC, I also thought Virginia would do everything in it's power to keep Va. Tech from joining the ACC. Va. Tech used it's political power to muscle Virginia. You never know what might happen when politics get involved. Personally, I think adding UCF would be in USF's best interest. They already have a rivalry & it would certainly help the Bulls when it comes to travel. I hope what you say concerning current Big East schools blackballing potential candidates due to recruiting & market reasons comes true. You might just be surprised.

Brick City Pirate Wrote:mlbUC, I also thought Virginia would do everything in it's power to keep Va. Tech from joining the ACC. Va. Tech used it's political power to muscle Virginia. You never know what might happen when politics get involved. Personally, I think adding UCF would be in USF's best interest. They already have a rivalry & it would certainly help the Bulls when it comes to travel. I hope what you say concerning current Big East schools blackballing potential candidates due to recruiting & market reasons comes true. You might just be surprised.

VT was already in a BCS conference, therefore the issue of recruits in the state was not there... if Miami of Ohio were to get the BCS nod, then it causes more competition in the Cincinnati area for top recruits. Ohio State already owns the rest of the state, so UC needs to hold the SW Ohio region.

But it is a moot point, Oxford is too small of a market for the Big East to expand in to, IMO.

Quote:Personally, I think adding UCF would be in USF's best interest. They already have a rivalry & it would certainly help the Bulls when it comes to travel

-- UCF is going to be a tough sell....I know there are coaches around the BE (RichRod for one) that are dead set against any more Flordia additons...they feel we would just be creating another recruiting rival

-- UCF would give USF a rivalry...but i think it would hurt the Bulls when it comes to recruiting...right now USF as a nice nitch were the Flordia players not signed by the big three but want to stay in state go to USF...if UCF is added those players will in effect be going to two schools instead of one or in other words USFs recruiting will be watered down

-- Personally...I think USF wants East Carolina in to be its "rival"....a southeastern school that isn't to far from Tampa...but far enought way as to not threathen USFs reruiting


Jackson

Jackson1011 Wrote:

Quote:Personally, I think adding UCF would be in USF's best interest. They already have a rivalry & it would certainly help the Bulls when it comes to travel

-- UCF is going to be a tough sell....I know there are coaches around the BE (RichRod for one) that are dead set against any more Flordia additons...they feel we would just be creating another recruiting rival

-- UCF would give USF a rivalry...but i think it would hurt the Bulls when it comes to recruiting...right now USF as a nice nitch were the Flordia players not signed by the big three but want to stay in state go to USF...if UCF is added those players will in effect be going to two schools instead of one or in other words USFs recruiting will be watered down

-- Personally...I think USF wants East Carolina in to be its "rival"....a southeastern school that isn't to far from Tampa...but far enought way as to not threathen USFs reruiting


Jackson

Do you realize Syracuse is closer to ECU than USF is

USF is on an island

^True, but our largest turnouts for away games have been against Alabama (a game played in Birmingham) and the two games we played at ECU. There are quite a few Bulls fans in the Carolinas, Georgia, and Northern Florida making that trip just a hop skip and a jump up either I-95 or I-85.

UCF will not happen unless we have 12 all sports members. They would hurt our recruiting, they currently lack a good fan base, and they stink.

The wild card for UCF is improvement. If UCF improves dramatically in football, the landscape will appear different than it does as of now.

USFBullSpit Wrote:UCF will not happen unless we have 12 all sports members. They would hurt our recruiting, they currently lack a good fan base, and they stink.

Tell us how you really feel about them :laugh: --if the BE goes to 12 teams all sports I would love to have UCF--if Notre Dame, Penn St say no as expected

Can't believe you guys are still talking about this crap. I'm starting to think I need to post the address of a shrink or two.

TopCoog Wrote:Can't believe you guys are still talking about this crap. I'm starting to think I need to post the address of a shrink or two.

I am still wondering why you are over here. :eek:

TopCoog Wrote:Can't believe you guys are still talking about this crap. I'm starting to think I need to post the address of a shrink or two.

Better than doing work

Maize..."wondering" is leads you of all people into trouble.

TopCoog Wrote:I'm starting to think I need to post the address of a shrink or two.

I'm sure you know more than a couple.

bearcat65 Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:I'm starting to think I need to post the address of a shrink or two.

I'm sure you know more than a couple.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

TexanMark Wrote:

USFBullSpit Wrote:UCF will not happen unless we have 12 all sports members.  They would hurt our recruiting, they currently lack a good fan base, and they stink.

Tell us how you really feel about them :laugh: --if the BE goes to 12 teams all sports I would love to have UCF--if Notre Dame, Penn St say no as expected

So you like the idea of adding UCF? Where did you stand when it was still a split between UCF or USF before BC left?

Quote:Do you realize Syracuse is closer to ECU than USF is

USF is on an island

-- No I didn't....well at least ECU can cut down on the distance between USF and the rest of the league


Jackson