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2012 Football
Provided we don't lose any members next season looks like we'll have 6 teams that have a decent shot at getting bowl eligible. Those teams are UL,ASU,WKU,FIU,Troy and UNT. I think it will be 2013 before MT and FAU bounces back, I'm really not sure about ULM, I thought they would be a lot better this season and ended up going backwards, but I'm confident Troy will be back to regular form next season.

I just look at the teams we have coming back next year, from UL keeping their coach, to ASU bringing back a ton of players plus the quality depth they already had. WKU is pretty young and has a good nucleus of players in the junior and sophmore class. FIU should still be atleast a 6-6 team if they can hang onto coach for another year. UNT has a good group of young players coming back and has ASU, UL FIU and Troy at home next season. Am I the only one who thinks next season will be a banner year for the conference? It looks like we'll have quite a few strong programs, as of right now this is how I would rank them.

1. ASU
2. UL
3. WKU
4. FIU
5. UNT
5. Troy
6. MT
7. ULM
8. FAU
9. USA

Thoughts?
12-09-2011 08:03 PM
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RE: 2012 Football
who knows about stAte . . . from 4-8 with the coach that recruited them to 10-2 ( hopefully 11 ) with the coach that motivated them/taught them how to win - obviously coaching matters and we don't have one!

Lots of talent gone on defense - offense will be as good or better talent wise. Schedule will be good, but not as good as this year - as stAte will probably face Troy, ULL, FIU, and UNT on the road. @ Oregon and @ Nebraska will be balanced with Alcorn St and Memphis at home.


Talent + schedule definitely there to win 7 though.
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RE: 2012 Football
(12-09-2011 08:03 PM)ntmeangreen11 Wrote:  Provided we don't lose any members next season looks like we'll have 6 teams that have a decent shot at getting bowl eligible. Those teams are UL,ASU,WKU,FIU,Troy and UNT. I think it will be 2013 before MT and FAU bounces back, I'm really not sure about ULM, I thought they would be a lot better this season and ended up going backwards, but I'm confident Troy will be back to regular form next season.

I just look at the teams we have coming back next year, from UL keeping their coach, to ASU bringing back a ton of players plus the quality depth they already had. WKU is pretty young and has a good nucleus of players in the junior and sophmore class. FIU should still be atleast a 6-6 team if they can hang onto coach for another year. UNT has a good group of young players coming back and has ASU, UL FIU and Troy at home next season. Am I the only one who thinks next season will be a banner year for the conference? It looks like we'll have quite a few strong programs, as of right now this is how I would rank them.

1. ASU
2. UL
3. WKU
4. FIU
5. UNT
5. Troy
6. MT
7. ULM
8. FAU
9. USA

Thoughts?

It's kind of early, I would like to see the recruiting classes and spring football before I make any kind of prediction for next season. To be honest, I wouldn't put ASU or UL at the top at this time. Both have a large number of seniors playing this season. The Cajuns will return 9 starters on offense, but will have to sign a number of JC's to fill in on the defensive side of the ball. Troy and MTU had down years, they will have many questions on both sides of the ball. UNT and ULM had young teams, both should be improved. WKU and FIU lose some very good seniors as well. FAU has a new coaching staff and USA will be playing FBS football for the first time. I'd say next year is going to be very competitive from 1 through 6 in the conference.
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RE: 2012 Football
(12-09-2011 08:57 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(12-09-2011 08:03 PM)ntmeangreen11 Wrote:  Provided we don't lose any members next season looks like we'll have 6 teams that have a decent shot at getting bowl eligible. Those teams are UL,ASU,WKU,FIU,Troy and UNT. I think it will be 2013 before MT and FAU bounces back, I'm really not sure about ULM, I thought they would be a lot better this season and ended up going backwards, but I'm confident Troy will be back to regular form next season.

I just look at the teams we have coming back next year, from UL keeping their coach, to ASU bringing back a ton of players plus the quality depth they already had. WKU is pretty young and has a good nucleus of players in the junior and sophmore class. FIU should still be atleast a 6-6 team if they can hang onto coach for another year. UNT has a good group of young players coming back and has ASU, UL FIU and Troy at home next season. Am I the only one who thinks next season will be a banner year for the conference? It looks like we'll have quite a few strong programs, as of right now this is how I would rank them.

1. ASU
2. UL
3. WKU
4. FIU
5. UNT
5. Troy
6. MT
7. ULM
8. FAU
9. USA

Thoughts?

It's kind of early, I would like to see the recruiting classes and spring football before I make any kind of prediction for next season. To be honest, I wouldn't put ASU or UL at the top at this time. Both have a large number of seniors playing this season. The Cajuns will return 9 starters on offense, but will have to sign a number of JC's to fill in on the defensive side of the ball. Troy and MTU had down years, they will have many questions on both sides of the ball. UNT and ULM had young teams, both should be improved. WKU and FIU lose some very good seniors as well. FAU has a new coaching staff and USA will be playing FBS football for the first time. I'd say next year is going to be very competitive from 1 through 6 in the conference.

I agree. Let's see the recruiting classes and what comes out of spring ball. Senior heavy for ASU and ULL. I believe that the Cajuns were pretty upper class on the defensive side correct? It will be interesting to see how Troy reacts. FIU is losing some offensive firepower and the best RBs in the conference are leaving. UNT and ULM were young.

Another interesting year in the SBC.
12-09-2011 09:19 PM
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RE: 2012 Football
(12-09-2011 09:19 PM)InjunJohn Wrote:  
(12-09-2011 08:57 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(12-09-2011 08:03 PM)ntmeangreen11 Wrote:  Provided we don't lose any members next season looks like we'll have 6 teams that have a decent shot at getting bowl eligible. Those teams are UL,ASU,WKU,FIU,Troy and UNT. I think it will be 2013 before MT and FAU bounces back, I'm really not sure about ULM, I thought they would be a lot better this season and ended up going backwards, but I'm confident Troy will be back to regular form next season.

I just look at the teams we have coming back next year, from UL keeping their coach, to ASU bringing back a ton of players plus the quality depth they already had. WKU is pretty young and has a good nucleus of players in the junior and sophmore class. FIU should still be atleast a 6-6 team if they can hang onto coach for another year. UNT has a good group of young players coming back and has ASU, UL FIU and Troy at home next season. Am I the only one who thinks next season will be a banner year for the conference? It looks like we'll have quite a few strong programs, as of right now this is how I would rank them.

1. ASU
2. UL
3. WKU
4. FIU
5. UNT
5. Troy
6. MT
7. ULM
8. FAU
9. USA

Thoughts?

It's kind of early, I would like to see the recruiting classes and spring football before I make any kind of prediction for next season. To be honest, I wouldn't put ASU or UL at the top at this time. Both have a large number of seniors playing this season. The Cajuns will return 9 starters on offense, but will have to sign a number of JC's to fill in on the defensive side of the ball. Troy and MTU had down years, they will have many questions on both sides of the ball. UNT and ULM had young teams, both should be improved. WKU and FIU lose some very good seniors as well. FAU has a new coaching staff and USA will be playing FBS football for the first time. I'd say next year is going to be very competitive from 1 through 6 in the conference.

I agree. Let's see the recruiting classes and what comes out of spring ball. Senior heavy for ASU and ULL. I believe that the Cajuns were pretty upper class on the defensive side correct? It will be interesting to see how Troy reacts. FIU is losing some offensive firepower and the best RBs in the conference are leaving. UNT and ULM were young.

Another interesting year in the SBC.

Most of UL's seniors were in the two deep on the defensive side of the ball. ASU had a number of seniors on both sides of the ball, so JC's and transfers will play large role in what happens with both programs. Not ready to put either at the top, but I will say the Cajuns will have a very good offense.
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RE: 2012 Football
Well, as far as offense goes, FIU will lose T.Y. Hilton, QB Wes Carroll (although Medlock became starter late in the season before his injury), OL Curtis Bryant and little used TE Johnathan Faucher, because of the offense we run. The rest of the starting Offensive unit is back, and every starter on defense and special teams (minus T.Y. Hilton) is back as well. So, depending on whether you consider Carroll and Faucher starters, FIU will lose 2 to 4 starters for next season.

Unfortunately for us, Goodbye Hilton will be sorely missed by our team, but on the positive side basically every other starter...plus some of our young players from our best recruiting classes... will provide as much depth as ever for FIU. FIU will have for the first time in Mario Cristobal era its full allotment of scholarships available.
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RE: 2012 Football
ASU returns almost its entire offense next year, but loses almost its entire defense. It would be foolish to rank us at the top this early without any idea who our coach will be, and how the players react to him.

For all we know, we'll be running the wishbone next year...
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(12-09-2011 09:42 PM)CajunT Wrote:  ASU had a number of seniors on both sides of the ball, so JC's and transfers will play large role in what happens with both programs.

On offense, Frampton and Castilaw (center) are the only significant losses. I guess Delano Moore is another offensive lineman that made 2nd team all SBC his SR. year, but he didn't even start as a Junior.

stAte's offense will be LOADED in 2012 - and Frankie Jackson along with Jarboe and Stockemer will be talented skill players that Aplin has to execute with.
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RE: 2012 Football
(12-09-2011 09:51 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  
(12-09-2011 09:42 PM)CajunT Wrote:  ASU had a number of seniors on both sides of the ball, so JC's and transfers will play large role in what happens with both programs.

On offense, Frampton and Castilaw (center) are the only significant losses. I guess Delano Moore is another offensive lineman that made 2nd team all SBC his SR. year, but he didn't even start as a Junior.

stAte's offense will be LOADED in 2012 - and Frankie Jackson along with Jarboe and Stockemer will be talented skill players that Aplin has to execute with.
ASU actually returns a lot on defense as well. Depth needs to be developed. We return 3 of our top 4 safeties including Don Jones. We lose two CBs so that will need to be addressed. We lose Demario Davis but return Nathan Herrold, Q. Lee and Nick Nelms. The DTs are deep but we need some help at DE where Starson is the only returnee.
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I think you have Troy ranked too low. we'll be fighting for the title, and we get the toughest Conference games at home.
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(12-09-2011 10:15 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I think you have Troy ranked too low. we'll be fighting for the title, and we get the toughest Conference games at home.

Not that being at home has helped us any this season, lol. And to think we were ranked 4th in the country in home records (some 32-5) before this season.
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RE: 2012 Football
I can't justify putting Troy ahead any of the teams that beat them, simple as that. Would it surprise if Troy won outright next season? not a bit, but that's how I have them ranked right now. The thing I noticed more than anything about ASU and UL is that they had depth. When they rotated players, the backup came in and played up to par with the starter, and the offenses of ASU and UL will be very good next year. Aplin is back, Gauteir is back along with Alonzo Harris who should have a monster year next year. I highly doubt the new coach at ASU will change the offense that much, they will be a nightmare for defenses next year. WKU should be strong, they return quite a few players and have a lot of highly regarded guys from the last couple classes waiting in the wing, they will no doubt be in the top three or so, I had no idea FIU was bringing back their entire defense. There were times when they played lights out, I would expect another season to mature and progress will have them as the #1 defensive unit next season. UNT returns a lot of young players, but the secondary will be weak, and we somehow have to replace Dunbar with an unproven junior or a RS FR. We'll be pretty good in all areas except RB and DB. I don't know if next season is our year to finally put it together, it might be 2013.

And yes I agre, it's way too early to be rankings teams for next year. But for those of us who aren't lucky enough to be going a bowl game, it's what we're thinking and fantasing about all day right now. Can a member from each team post their OOC schedule for next season?
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I was impressed by the UNT backup RB. Should be a good one.
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(12-09-2011 11:57 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  I was impressed by the UNT backup RB. Should be a good one.

He is a senior. The third string player only ran the ball 5 times in the final game, he is a junior not sure if he had any carries during the season besides that, maybe two. The coaches seems to be pretty high on the redshirt freshmen Zach Witfield and Antonie Jimmerson, we will see in spring ball. I think we'll be passing a lot more with WR's Chancellor, Delgado and Bynes back along with TE Power and QB Thompson
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(12-09-2011 11:57 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  I was impressed by the UNT backup RB. Should be a good one.

James Hamilton is a senior also.

My take is that the biggest UNT story next year will be about who takes over at RB. Dan MacCarney redshirted his 6 best recruits from his 1st class this season: 2 RB's (Zac Whitfield and Antoinne Jimmerson), 1 WR (Chaz Sampson), 1 QB (Cooper Jones), 1 FS (Kerry Swarn), and 1 OL (Grant Shaw).

Of those freshmen that played, 3 made immediate impacts, LB Mike Stojokovic, CB Freddie Warner, and RG Cyril Lemon. A few others made some plays too, most notably Lairamie Lee in the secondary and on Special Teams, Derek Akunne at LB and Alex Lincoln as a sub at DE. All in all, pretty good for a class recruited in a hurry last Dec/Jan by this staff.

Starters lost are 2 on Offense (Dunbar and RT Matt Tomlinson) and 4 on Defense (DE Brandon Akpunku, CB Royce Hill and safeties Ryan Downing and Brad Graham. Of those, the safeties are easily replaceable, both were JUCO's with a record of occasionally good play (Downing) and one playing because he wasn't as bad as the other JUCO backing him up (Graham). Swarn will be an immediate upgrade over either of them.

The other safety will be Oklahoma transfer Marcus Trice, who saw significant playing time as a true freshman at OU in 2010. Warner will return at one Corner (he missed the last few games in 2011 with an injury), the other will likely be a JUCO or Trice if another good safety can be found. There is a 3-Star CB committed in the upcoming class (Xavier Kelly), but obviously he has to actually sign first.

The LB corps will be contesting the OL for best unit in 2012. Zach Orr return for his Junior year at MLB, he would have been a 1st team All-SBC and contender for SBC Def POY if not for a broken leg in week 9. OLB's will be Stojokovic and Jeremy Phillips. The backups are quality as well, especially Akunne who played well filling in for Orr. This group could potentially be a good as the 2002-2003 group.

Part of what made the NT linebacker play so great during the early SBC years was the DT's, as :ncaabbs: Booger and Michael Pruitt required 3 to 4 OL's dedicated to just them, allowing the DE's to get single blocking and the LB's to roam all over the field. Sadly, NT doesn't currently have anything resembling Kennedy or Pruitt in the middle of the DL. Both starters Tevinn Cantly and Richard Abbe return, but that's due to not having anything better available yet. In fairness, both Abbe and Cantly made big strides in 2011, improving from inadequate to passable. One backup, Ryan Boutwell, plays very hard and makes the occasional play but is very undersized at 265 and is about as big as he's gonna get. Help is likely on the way in this next class here as well as Sir Calvin Wallace has excellent size and dominates his opposition. If either Cantly or Abbe do not take another step up in their development, Wallace could beat one of them out fairly early next fall.

The DE's are in better shape however, as Brandon "Sarge" McCoy returns from a good sophomore season. Opposite him replacing Akpunku will be the winner of what is shaping up to be a heck of a spring/summer battle between Lincoln and returning backup (and special teams demon) Aaron Bellazin. Both are prototypical DE's at 250+ as opposed to the outgoing Akpunku, who was an undersized speed-rusher. LaChris Aniyam is a possibility to return to the DL after having been moved to OL last summer due to the uncertainty of all the turnover on the OL going into the 2011 season.

That turnover, which saw 2 RS Fr (LG Mason Y'Barbo and LT Antonio Johnson) and 1 true Freshman (RG Lemon) combine with outgoing RT Tomlinson and holdover C Aaron Fortenberry to exceed everyone's expectations. What's coming is a big part of the story too as transfer Cam Feldt, a former 4-Star by way of Arkansas, will step right in at RT. Cam's younger brother Boone Feldt (3-Star) is one of the upcoming class's highest rated recruits, and could challenge Fortenberry at C or Y'Barbo at LG right away. Add to that redshirt Grant Shaw, who could win the RT spot himself moving Cam Feldt to LG and it's easy to see why the next NT RB will have plenty of holes to run through. Only one of all these players (Fortenberry) will be a senior next year, and none will be juniors.

Looking to run through those holes will be the winner of a off-season battle between RS freshmen Zac Whitfield and Antoinne Jimmerson. Whitfield is the faster of the two, with Jimmerson the larger at about 205. Holdover RB Brandin Byrd, a big back at 215, has gotten even bigger and may be about to become a FB. Incoming commit Andrew Tucker is a 3-Star who could challenge as well. So, who will it be ? Nobody knows, probably not even MacCarney yet, but my guess is Whitfield.

QB is finally somewhat stable, with RS soph Derek Thompson progressing nicely all year. Another offseason with Canales will only improve things. Backup QB is somewhat puzzling though as highly touted JUCO Brent Osborn lost his #2 spot to undersized true freshman Andrew McNulty. McNulty didn't play well at all during his 2 turns, which left most of us puzzled as to why Osborn didn't get a shot, as he'd done better than McNulty in his brief playing time. Add in that the McNulty family are long-time friends of the MacCarneys (Andrew's father played with Dan MacCarney at Iowa) and some are suspicious of a possible less-than-arm's-length relationship between HC and QB. (we've had some recent experience with that, of course). Upshot is, if Osborn doesn't come out of spring ball at the #2, he likely will transfer to a FCS program, as he will have 2 years eligibility left next year. Which brings one of MacCarney's 2011 3-Star redshirts, Cooper Jones. It's been rumored that Jones might transfer to safety, but I'm thinking he will be the #2 QB next year.

WR's figured to be decent to good going into Summer 2011, but 2 quick events changed all that. First, returning underclassman All-SBC Darius Carey decided team rules were overrated, and is now running patterns in Lake Charles. Second, highly talented but underachieving transfer Tyler Stradford quit football following a disaster of a 2010 season that included an injury running from a pit bull. What was left was Chris Bynes (coming off an Achilles Tendon tear), and Brelan Chancellor, who had show a few glimpses at WR but was far more dangerous as a kick returner. It turned out OK as Bynes stepped up to become reliable and Chancellor improved his routes as well. Unfortunately, Sun Belt Special Teams Coordinators proved their VCR players were working just fine as all SBC teams repeatedly kicked the ball away from Chancellor on kickoffs. The biggest story at WR was the mid-season emergence of walk-on Ivan Delgado. Delgado was a walkon transfer from a few Div 2-3 schools, where he had played QB. He turned out to be an excellent route-runner with superglue hands, even if he didn't have deep speed. Sort of a Sun Belt version of Wes Welker. All 3 return next year. Like OL, there's highly touted help on the way with some good 3-Star recruits at WR. The biggest new impact though should be the last of MacCarney's Super-redshirts, Chaz Sampson. Big (6'5) and fast, there are high expectations of him.

The specialists are a strength as Will Atterberry and Chancellor are all-conference quality at punter and kick returner. Zach Olen is a good kicker with FG's of over 50 yds in his career. All will return in 2012.

To make a long story longer, NT will return 9 starters on offense, and 7 on defense, as well as all specialists. LB and OL will be the top-notch units, QB good, WR and DL fair to good, with DB and RB impossible to tell at this time, but with good reasons for hope at each.
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