Well, I suspect the Big East would be an awfully small conference if it consisted of schools that met L-Yes's respectablility criteria. Heck, Duke & Wake would be basketball only members of the ACC if attendance was the criteria, since so few fans go to their football games. It's my understanding the Louisville fans view Kentucky fans as arrogant. My guess is that no matter how many games Louisville wins in any sport, many Kentucky fans will still look down on the Cards. Like it or not, there are many fans from the other BCS conferences that lack respect for the Big East. I just think it's crazy to put down a school within your conference that will be desperately needed to succeed.

L-yes Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

Maize Wrote:cuseroc in many ways L-Yes is right.  We have become a Top program regardless of what conference we are in.  It just has been harder to achieve to this level being in the Metro or C-USA.  Our path is much easier now that we are in the Big East.

I just remembered that being in C-USA very well cost us Sean May.  JMO if we were in the Big East back in 2002 Sean May would have been a Cardinal instead of a Tar Heel. That alone IMHO would have given us the 2004-2005 NCAA Title.

Well if thats the case, I am right in saying the following " Syracuse basketball is bigger than the BE and any institution in it." Or how about this statement" Uconn basketball is bigger than the BE and all its institutions." It sounds really silly to me. Especially when I know that being affiliated with the BE conference is what took Cuse to the Elite status that it enjoys today. Ditto for Uconn.

I think you're misunderstanding us but maybe you aren't. Let me ask you this question then; do you think that SU would have a successful basketball program if it played a CUSA schedule minus UC or Louisville? Would the fans flock to see a product that consisted of Tulane, USM, ECU, Charlotte, Saint Louis, Houston, UAB, TCU, Marquette, UC, Memphis and DePaul? The last 4 programs are good. Consistently decent programs where success comes in long cycles with short downturns. 3 of them are coming to the BE with Louisville. Beyond that CUSA was a wasteland and a mine field at the same time.

If you believe that SU would thrive in a conference like the one described above then by my concept of 'bigger' SU is 'bigger' than any conference.

No I am not misunderstanding you. And yes Cuse fans would support the school no matter what. They supported the school before there was a BE. But still that does not mean that Syracuse is bigger than the BE. Just like Louisville is not bigger than the BE. If your intent was to say that Louisville would be successful no matter which conference they are in, then say that. But that does not mean that Louisville is bigger than the BE.

Quote) Well, I suspect the Big East would be an awfully small conference if it consisted of schools that met L-Yes's respectablility criteria. Heck, Duke & Wake would be basketball only members of the ACC if attendance was the criteria, since so few fans go to their football games. It's my understanding the Louisville fans view Kentucky fans as arrogant. My guess is that no matter how many games Louisville wins in any sport, many Kentucky fans will still look down on the Cards. Like it or not, there are many fans from the other BCS conferences that lack respect for the Big East. I just think it's crazy to put down a school within your conference that will be desperately needed to succeed.[B][QUOTE]

Piratefan; we have already dealt with the detractors last year when the BE was at its weakest. Thats fine that some dont respect the BE. By the end of the season the respect will be there so dont worry. I predict that the BE will go ahead of the Pac10 this year. Some may laugh at this statement, but just wait until the season is over.

Brick City Pirate Wrote:L-Yes would fit right in the ACC fanbase. I'm sure USF is devastated that they have not earned your respect. L-Yes, just what have you done to earn anyone's respect? What have you done to make Louisville so successful? Are you a million dollar booster? Are you a coach? Here's a newsflash, there's a lot of schools that are not well rounded. There's a lot of schools that have done not one thing to deserve to be in a BCS conference. ECU has paid it's dues. My Pirates have been ranked in the top 10. We have played in & won multiple bowl games. Yet people like you say you, don't like the idea of ECU being in the same conference with Louisville. How arrogant. I was upset when USF got into the Big East instead of ECU. I eventually realized that that's life. I like the vast majority of Bull fans I have met on the internet. I hope the Bulls do well in the Big East. Who knows, maybe they will earn your respect one day? :laugh:

Yeah, I am a big booster. So are many UofL fans. I guess that's my point considering we've built the programs pretty much by ourselves.

ECU has been a competitve disaster for CUSA.

cuseroc Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:[quote="Maize"] cuseroc in many ways L-Yes is right.  We have become a Top program regardless of what conference we are in.  It just has been harder to achieve to this level being in the Metro or C-USA.  Our path is much easier now that we are in the Big East.

I just remembered that being in C-USA very well cost us Sean May.  JMO if we were in the Big East back in 2002 Sean May would have been a Cardinal instead of a Tar Heel. That alone IMHO would have given us the 2004-2005 NCAA Title.

Well if thats the case, I am right in saying the following " Syracuse basketball is bigger than the BE and any institution in it." Or how about this statement" Uconn basketball is bigger than the BE and all its institutions." It sounds really silly to me. Especially when I know that being affiliated with the BE conference is what took Cuse to the Elite status that it enjoys today. Ditto for Uconn.

I think you're misunderstanding us but maybe you aren't. Let me ask you this question then; do you think that SU would have a successful basketball program if it played a CUSA schedule minus UC or Louisville? Would the fans flock to see a product that consisted of Tulane, USM, ECU, Charlotte, Saint Louis, Houston, UAB, TCU, Marquette, UC, Memphis and DePaul? The last 4 programs are good. Consistently decent programs where success comes in long cycles with short downturns. 3 of them are coming to the BE with Louisville. Beyond that CUSA was a wasteland and a mine field at the same time.

If you believe that SU would thrive in a conference like the one described above then by my concept of 'bigger' SU is 'bigger' than any conference.

No I am not misunderstanding you. And yes Cuse fans would support the school no matter what. They supported the school before there was a BE. But still that does not mean that Syracuse is bigger than the BE. Just like Louisville is not bigger than the BE. If your intent was to say that Louisville would be successful no matter which conference they are in, then say that. But that does not mean that Louisville is bigger than the BE.

Quote) Well, I suspect the Big East would be an awfully small conference if it consisted of schools that met L-Yes's respectablility criteria. Heck, Duke & Wake would be basketball only members of the ACC if attendance was the criteria, since so few fans go to their football games. It's my understanding the Louisville fans view Kentucky fans as arrogant. My guess is that no matter how many games Louisville wins in any sport, many Kentucky fans will still look down on the Cards. Like it or not, there are many fans from the other BCS conferences that lack respect for the Big East. I just think it's crazy to put down a school within your conference that will be desperately needed to succeed.[B]

Quote:Piratefan; we have already dealt with the detractors last year when the BE was at its weakest. Thats fine that some dont respect the BE. By the end of the season the respect will be there so dont worry. I predict that the BE will go ahead of the Pac10 this year. Some may laugh at this statement, but just wait until the season is over.

We are arguing semantics. Louisville basketball would survive and thrive in any conference is my point. It’s great to be associated with other like minded institutions and fan bases so don't get me wrong.

L-yes Wrote:

cuseroc,Apr 7 2005, 04:52 PM Wrote:

L-yes,Apr 7 2005, 12:47 PM Wrote:

cuseroc,Apr 7 2005, 11:44 AM Wrote:[QUOTE=Maize,Apr 7 2005, 12:07 AM] cuseroc in many ways L-Yes is right. We have become a Top program regardless of what conference we are in. It just has been harder to achieve to this level being in the Metro or C-USA. Our path is much easier now that we are in the Big East.

I just remembered that being in C-USA very well cost us Sean May. JMO if we were in the Big East back in 2002 Sean May would have been a Cardinal instead of a Tar Heel. That alone IMHO would have given us the 2004-2005 NCAA Title.

Well if thats the case, I am right in saying the following " Syracuse basketball is bigger than the BE and any institution in it." Or how about this statement" Uconn basketball is bigger than the BE and all its institutions." It sounds really silly to me. Especially when I know that being affiliated with the BE conference is what took Cuse to the Elite status that it enjoys today. Ditto for Uconn.

I think you're misunderstanding us but maybe you aren't. Let me ask you this question then; do you think that SU would have a successful basketball program if it played a CUSA schedule minus UC or Louisville? Would the fans flock to see a product that consisted of Tulane, USM, ECU, Charlotte, Saint Louis, Houston, UAB, TCU, Marquette, UC, Memphis and DePaul? The last 4 programs are good. Consistently decent programs where success comes in long cycles with short downturns. 3 of them are coming to the BE with Louisville. Beyond that CUSA was a wasteland and a mine field at the same time.

If you believe that SU would thrive in a conference like the one described above then by my concept of 'bigger' SU is 'bigger' than any conference.

No I am not misunderstanding you. And yes Cuse fans would support the school no matter what. They supported the school before there was a BE. But still that does not mean that Syracuse is bigger than the BE. Just like Louisville is not bigger than the BE. If your intent was to say that Louisville would be successful no matter which conference they are in, then say that. But that does not mean that Louisville is bigger than the BE.

Quote) Well, I suspect the Big East would be an awfully small conference if it consisted of schools that met L-Yes's respectablility criteria. Heck, Duke & Wake would be basketball only members of the ACC if attendance was the criteria, since so few fans go to their football games. It's my understanding the Louisville fans view Kentucky fans as arrogant. My guess is that no matter how many games Louisville wins in any sport, many Kentucky fans will still look down on the Cards. Like it or not, there are many fans from the other BCS conferences that lack respect for the Big East. I just think it's crazy to put down a school within your conference that will be desperately needed to succeed.[B]

Quote:Piratefan; we have already dealt with the detractors last year when the BE was at its weakest. Thats fine that some dont respect the BE. By the end of the season the respect will be there so dont worry. I predict that the BE will go ahead of the Pac10 this year. Some may laugh at this statement, but just wait until the season is over.

We are arguing semantics. Louisville basketball would survive and thrive in any conference is my point. It’s great to be associated with other like minded institutions and fan bases so don't get me wrong.

I agree

cuseroc, I think the Big East will do very well. I also think it makes sense for your conference to expand & add schools like Temple, Deleware, etc. I think adding UCF makes more sense than adding ECU & Memphis. I hope that ECU does get an invite one day, but I see that there are other schools with the same goals. L-Yes, ECU has not been a disaster in CUSA. Our football team has won multiple bowl games. We beat Miami on national tv as a member of CUSA. Our baseball team has won the regular season & post season conference tournament the past 3-4 years. Yes, basketball has not been successful. We have won some big games. ECU beat Marquette, with Dwayne Wade twice. Heck, ECU beat Rutgers just a few years ago & Virginia Tech lost to my Pirates the last two times we played. Coach Holland, who has coached in two final fours, is our AD. He will make sure that ECU will win in basketball. Your Cardinals are always welcome to visit Minges!

The cards could return the balance of the BE, they have been stuck dominating a weak conf and not getting any BCS cred. Now the cards r in a major conf with a BCS bid, they also have a higher chance of going to the dance with the great teams the BE has..




Is there any way the administrators could get rid of the Miami, BC, and VT symbols, those things make me sick

njndirish Wrote:Is there any way the administrators could get rid of the Miami, BC, and VT symbols, those things make me sick

Not to sound harsh but: Notre Dame's lack of committment directly led to those symbols being replusive to us all. However, I do agree they should be removed.

Hey, i've explained why ND remains independent for fball too many times, go to <a href='http://www.thenewbigeast.com' target='_blank'>The New Big East</a> and go to the ad filled message board, then you will be slightly enlightened from being ignorant to Notre Dame.

njndirish Wrote:Hey, i've explained why ND remains independent for fball too many times, go to <a href='http://www.thenewbigeast.com' target='_blank'>The New Big East</a> and go to the ad filled message board, then you will be slightly enlightened from being ignorant to Notre Dame.

You don't need to reexplain it--we have heard all the stories and reasons.

However: what you stated can be considered "two faced" and akin to "jabbing a stick in our eyes" to the other Big East fans. If you don't realize that then you are lacking tact. Peace

L-yes Wrote:Let me ask you this question then; do you think that SU would have a successful basketball program if it played a CUSA schedule minus UC or Louisville?

YES!

Would the fans flock to see a product that consisted of Tulane, USM, ECU, Charlotte, Saint Louis, Houston, UAB, TCU, Marquette, UC, Memphis and DePaul?

YES!

The last 4 programs are good. Consistently decent programs where success comes in long cycles with short downturns.

WRONG! What in the hell you're smoking? UAB has had more success than DePaul the last 6 or 7 years. And Memphis for that matter. That was a stupid pompous statement.


3 of them are coming to the BE with Louisville. Beyond that CUSA was a wasteland and a mine field at the same time.

Shhheeeesssshhhh! U ungrateful a$$!

If you believe that SU would thrive in a conference like the one described above then by my concept of 'bigger' SU is 'bigger' than any conference.

Yeap!

Dude you are really a piece of work. And I bet you're a big donor to the UL program.

Puuuuhhhhllllleeeeeeaaaaazzzzzzeeeeee!

Now I expect the proverbial "you're just jealous" crap to start flowing outta your mouth now!

cuseroc Wrote:If your intent was to say that Louisville would be successful no matter which conference they are in, then say that.

Well, this is certainly all I meant to imply.

ECU joining Big East? I hope not.

Here's why,

#1. Do you realize that you had 9 wins total in football and basketball combined this year? You were tied with ARMY for last in the league. That is a competitive disaster.

#2. What happens when a team in contention for a lower seed in the NCAA loses to ECU, which as you know is very possible at your place. ECU has a power ranking of #176 right now in bball, I would say a loss to ECU would kill an NCAA bound team. BTW- #176 is a competitive disaster.

I did not mean for this post to be a flame, but a conference that needs to get real busy real quick, does not need to carry ECU right now. I hope your AD can turn it around for you guys quick. Best of luck.

Quote:CardHouse Posted on Apr 9 2005, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE (cuseroc @ Apr 7 2005, 04:52 PM)
If your intent was to say that Louisville would be successful no matter which conference they are in, then say that.&nbsp;

Well, this is certainly all I meant to imply.

The answer to the threaded question is NO.

Louisville's prized QB Broehm was headed elsewhere until Louisville was invited into the Big East. The best want to be able to win Championships. Now they can do that at Louisville in FB. That alone makes the move worth it.

Exactly, Shannon!