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njndirish Wrote:Let's fix the bball problem 1st
we at least want a conference to be able to add another fball program
How about Notre dame? :D
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Yes, how about ND, because ND is the reason the BE is broke or needs repair! 04-cheers
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RIVER CITY PIRATE Wrote:
MoFoCard Wrote:How about no more crazy post about Big East expansion, lets enjoy it now. Don't you guys think if there were any good teams out there (Mike T) would have picked them up already!
Don't you know that is your problem and will be your demise, following Mikey Trainedgeese!!!!!
"TrainedGeese" kept the Big East a BCS conference and is helping re-structure our bowl situation. I'm guessing that the hatred toward Mike Tranghese is because he has been commissioner of the Big East during a time that the Big East has denied ECU an invitation on 3 or 4 different occasions.
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Bambu Wrote:
jay2000 Wrote:my team is in the south and hoping to get in cusa. obviously ecu, marshall, or ucf becoming your 9th football team would open a spot up for us.

why not temple though? i guess its too late now that they joined the mac, but they already had a place for other sports, and without miami, b.c., and vatech around they should be able to compete a little better.

anyway, would the 9th school be for football only and become an all sports member if a split ever happens?

im not too famaliar with ecu, ucf, or marshall, but from an outsiders perspective i would rank them as big eat candidates like this:

1. ECU - support, support, support. New market for BE.
2. UCF - market size, continue to grab florida territory. would USF object too much?
3. Marshall - recent success, got to believe WVU wouldnt want them yet.


whatever you do, take somebody fast so one of us small timers can climb another link in the food chain by getting into cusa.
who is your team?
who has been passes over repeatedly for the last 10 years?

Louisiana Tech!

UAB beats us out in the late 90's even though they just started football. market size.

When 5 teams were added recently, Marshall was added. market size? not much bigger. more recent success? we beat just as many big names and we beat up on mac teams when we play them. certainly not travel.

then utep was added. market size. certainly not travel.

just hurry up and add ecu to the big east so we can get in cusa where we belong.

of course unt has a few sunbelt titles and market size so i wont get my hopes up. oh, and temple has market size too.


hey, the wac is great, but travel is a SOB!
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The most logical grouping would be this:

Boston College
UCONN
Syracuse
Penn State
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Maryland
Cincinatti
Louisville

Throw South Florida back to CUSA.

The Big 10, Big East, and ACC would all have tight 10 team conferences that would make lots and lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

IMHO, each conference would make out better with this deal.

Why have a conference championship game, when each school can schedule another money-makin' home game with the 12 game schedule?
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I say add Memphis first as a ninth football only then if Villanova can get up to speed in football like UConn did add them, ECU, and then Marshall for twelve. Basketball and football wise it would be a decent conference. IMHO.

East Coast
Louisville UConn
WVU...... Syracuse
Cincy..... Villanova
Memphis Rutgers
Marshall PITT
USF....... ECU

You have to play your division and then three teams from the other division.

So a WVU schedule could look like this:

?Notre Dame OOC
?Oregan State OOC
?Troy State OOC
Louisville
Marshall
?Syracuse
USF
Memphis
?Pitt
?ECU
Cincy
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jay2000 Wrote:
Bambu Wrote:
jay2000 Wrote:my team is in the south and hoping to get in cusa. obviously ecu, marshall, or ucf becoming your 9th football team would open a spot up for us.

why not temple though? i guess its too late now that they joined the mac, but they already had a place for other sports, and without miami, b.c., and vatech around they should be able to compete a little better.

anyway, would the 9th school be for football only and become an all sports member if a split ever happens?

im not too famaliar with ecu, ucf, or marshall, but from an outsiders perspective i would rank them as big eat candidates like this:

1. ECU - support, support, support. New market for BE.
2. UCF - market size, continue to grab florida territory. would USF object too much?
3. Marshall - recent success, got to believe WVU wouldnt want them yet.


whatever you do, take somebody fast so one of us small timers can climb another link in the food chain by getting into cusa.
who is your team?
who has been passes over repeatedly for the last 10 years?

Louisiana Tech!

UAB beats us out in the late 90's even though they just started football. market size.

When 5 teams were added recently, Marshall was added. market size? not much bigger. more recent success? we beat just as many big names and we beat up on mac teams when we play them. certainly not travel.

then utep was added. market size. certainly not travel.

just hurry up and add ecu to the big east so we can get in cusa where we belong.

of course unt has a few sunbelt titles and market size so i wont get my hopes up. oh, and temple has market size too.


hey, the wac is great, but travel is a SOB!
It had more to do with the fact the your athletic department appears to be floundering, with no apparent vision from this outsider's perspective.
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CAJUNNATION Wrote:The most logical grouping would be this:

Boston College
UCONN
Syracuse
Penn State
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Maryland
Cincinatti
Louisville

Throw South Florida back to CUSA.

The Big 10, Big East, and ACC would all have tight 10 team conferences that would make lots and lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

IMHO, each conference would make out better with this deal.

Why have a conference championship game, when each school can schedule another money-makin' home game with the 12 game schedule?
I agree with this, but Temple would have to be a part of our plans as well since they traditionally play 7 of those schools (UMD, RU, WVU, SU, PSU, Pitt, BC). Thats an 11 team conference I could certainly live with. But if we're gonna go to 12 at that point I say we go get Memphis.
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Keep USF, forget Boston College. We need a Florida team and BC doesn't want to be with us anyway.
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"It had more to do with the fact the your athletic department appears to be floundering, with no apparent vision from this outsider's perspective."

thats the insiders perspective as well. our president has been great for the university in general, but bad for athletics. our enollment has grown from 9,000 in 1996 to over 12,000 today. we have several nice new buildings and programs. but we pay our coaches crap, we dont fix our facilities, we dont fire our coaches no matter how bad things get, and he ties the hands of our athletic director. you would think 18 years would be too long to be president, but he is still here. we really need someone with half a heart for athletics.

anyway, hopefully, next time there is an opening, we will have made strides in those areas and will have gotten back into our winning ways instead of floating around .500 in football and basketball. we all look forward to competing with usm, tulane, memphis, uab, tulsa, and the texas schools. plus we had a decent rivalry started with ucf in the late 90's. like i said the wac is great and all, there are some really good programs there, but travel is really holding us back.
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brista21 Wrote:
CAJUNNATION Wrote:The most logical grouping would be this:

Boston College
UCONN
Syracuse
Penn State
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Maryland
Cincinatti
Louisville

Throw South Florida back to CUSA.

The Big 10, Big East, and ACC would all have tight 10 team conferences that would make lots and lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

IMHO, each conference would make out better with this deal.

Why have a conference championship game, when each school can schedule another money-makin' home game with the 12 game schedule?
I agree with this, but Temple would have to be a part of our plans as well since they traditionally play 7 of those schools (UMD, RU, WVU, SU, PSU, Pitt, BC). Thats an 11 team conference I could certainly live with. But if we're gonna go to 12 at that point I say we go get Memphis.
again from an outsider, i would think if you ever went to 12, ecu, memphis, and temple would be your best bets. obviously getting b.c. or penn st. to come back would be huge and also getting maryland or notre dame. if not, you might be choosing between buffalo, ucf, marshall, and toledo for that 12th spot.

of course all of us southerners would like to keep memphis in the south, but im sure they have other plans.
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I am most concerned with getting up to at least 10 football teams, which I feel is the bare minimum in the new environment.

However, if we can get good bb teams who play football too, then I'm all for it. That's one reason I support Memphis.

In another thread, someone posted about the desire of some Kentucky fans to come to the BIGEAST. Can you imagine a bb conference like this?

UCONN, SYR, PITT, WVU, RUTG, CIN, LOU, USF, KENTUCKY, MEMPHIS.

That line-up just makes my mouth water!
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New poster on here, Herd Fan and Marshall alum, and also WVU fan and current student.

As objective as I can be, when looking at the landscape of CFB, I think it is inevitable that the BE will split in the future. The question is to go to 9 or to go to 12. Nine schools can provide round-robin play but will force every BE member to schedule 4 OOC games per year. Which is indeed better than 5, but the one thing hurting the BE here is it can't afford to schedule up all I-AA teams, and it will be hard pressed for every conference member to schedule good (or even bad) I-A teams every year. That is 36 teams just for the BE schools to schedule. And the BE needs to get its SOS up as much as possible, especially in this transition period with the BCS.

Having said all that, I think the BE schools would be wise to pick some OOC games with some of the eastern most C-USA schools that will help the SOS. ECU has been down lately, but they have a great atmosphere, pack the house and provide away trips to NC for recruiting against the ACC. Memphis, Southern Miss and Marshall are also good options for playing good I-A teams that aren't in a BCS conference. UCF would bring another game to Florida.

As for Marshall. They have a new President whose primary goal is to increase the out-of state and out-of-country enrollment by at least 500 new students, and get the total student body up to over 20,000. He is a friend of athletics, and wants to use the FB team to help keep MU's name out there, providing better access to more students. He is just going to use that as a tool to aid in this endevor. The main selling point is going to be increasing the academic diciplines and increasing the Doctoral degrees. The newsest doctoral to come about is in BioMedical sciences, which coincides with the new Biomed science center and new School of Med Level I Cancer center in the community.

The campus is also building a brand new, very large (they have increased the original design by 2 or 3 fold from what I have heard) student rec center, as well as building even more new dorms. There is also a design for increasing the basketball arena by adding and end deck and re-doing the upper decks on bith sides to match the plush revamp from a few years back of the lower bowl. BB will come along. The women are pretty stacked and the men will only benifit from a better schedule and better recruiting. We also have Louisville 2-2 coming into Huntington. One of the best most rocking games I've ever seen there was when Marshall beat #23 Wake in Huntington. It was an awesome atmosphere. Marshall BB used to sell out 10,000 every game back in the late 80's in the Southern Conference even. It will come. And the adjacent building that used to house the student rec BB courts will be getting revamped to house the VB team on a permanent basis with an atmosphere similar to UofL's hopefully, once the new student rec center is built. Also, the women's Tennis team is really ahead of the game. Hopefully there will be a new indoor/outdoor faciltity for them in the future too. Last season the doubles team played against UCLA in the National Championship match.

Football is currently adding new FieldTurf, and a new huge weightroom/player facility (not sure the size but I heard 2x as big as LSU's). That will be connected to the stadium. Next year the new IPF is going in adjacent to that, as well as a brand new Baseball field, and new/revamped softball field. A new soccer stadium is in the works I believe, as the FB team is taking over the current one as its outdoor grass PF after the IPF gets built. Plans are already in the works (design is already in the hands of the pres and AD) and talks are underway for expanding the FB stadium with a double-deck on the away team sideline with brand new skysuites incorporated into that structure. There is a waiting list a mile long of people waiting for skysuites, who pay, every year, just to stay on that list. The stadium must grow in size to accomodate the games with WVU (a major sore spot with some, and understandably so),and with VT, Miami (FL) and Tennnesse (if they don't buy that game out). That may happen whether our stadium seated 70,000 or 15,000, just becasue a teams UT can make a crapload more $$$ with a home game sell out of 105,000 than traveling to any other stadium in America.

Marshall has the game with WVU mapped out now, and from what I have been hearing is setting up a series with Pitt also. Marshall travels very well (even to crap teams like when we went to the directional michigans, boy I'm glad that is over). But especially to "big" games and ones in the south. There are a whole lot of MU alumni and fans in the south. We took 10,000 people to Tennessee and Ohio State. Probably about 8,000-9,000 to Clemson, Georgia, etc. Some teams like Pitt really would benifit from this fan travel. That would be an easy road trip for the northern most fans and fans could be willing to travel for sure to that game. the home attendence has been hurt by a bad season, and by people's apathy for not watching Central Michigan, Kent State and Buffalo get beat 50-0 in the first half anymore. The MAC was draggin MU down. You get better teams in, then the people will show up.

As for the TV market, the Huntington-Charleston market is 62nd in the country with 508,750 population viewers. and you have consider that Marshall also brings in all of Eastern Kentucky and Southern Ohio. The Clarksburg-Weston (Morgantown) is 165 with 109,480 people, but also has a big southern Pa following. (http://www.nielsenmedia.com/DMAs.html)

So to the point of conference expansion ...

IMO, if the BE goes to 9 teams by adding one, the most likely canidate should be Memphis. They play in a 62,380 seat stadium which they pack (http://www.collegegridirons.com/cusa/LibertyBowl.htm), bring great BB in and would offset any loss on the BB side of things and bring a great city like Memphis to the conference.

If they go to 12. The next logical choice is ECU. They have great fan support, bring the NC market and would be a good add IMO.

Then I think Marshall is next and IMO, Southern Miss should also get the invite, adding recrutin in Mississippi and creating a North and South divisional format so the BE can hold a champ game in NYC (although it looks as if the new Manhatten stadium is not going to get approved now.)

So it would look like this.

North Division
*UConn
*Syracuse
*Rutgers
*Pitt
*WVU
*East Carolina

South Division
*Cincinnati
*Louisville
*Marshall
*Memphis
*Southern Miss
*USF

ECU and Cinci could be swapped if need be. But everyone would play their 5 divisional games + one primary cross-over game, and the others would be rotated every 2 years. It is the same model used by the ACC.

A championship game could do the BE well, especially when all the other conferences are playing on that Saturday and the BE is not.

Exposure is huge. I like this model in that it makes the BE an EAST-COAST type conference as opposed to a NORTH-EAST conference.

Well, that is enough for now. Thoughts about this?
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thunderdent,

i can almost guarantee you that marshall will never be part of the big east. it's probably just not going to happen. i like you, graduated undergrad in engineering from wvu and mba from mu. marshall's preceived academics are not up to par with other big east schools, whatever that means. if you go back to the minutes of the big east expansion notes, david hardesty, pres. of wvu, nominated mu for the big east and it was quickly knocked down. it's really funny though.....because if you really look at the football playing schools, only rutgers and pitt are nationally rated in various academic areas....ooh, i forgot wvu did make US News World Report for one of the top engineering programs.....99th (ha ha ha) hell, i would be braggin about that...
I didn't realize that Univ. Cinci was ranked in the top 30 schools in America with over a billion dollar endowment. WVU is at 600-670 million. Pitt is in the top 20. As far as mu academics or memphis, i think that stuff is a bunch of bs. i work with a guy who received his engineering degree from havard and he can't even pass his freak'n engineering license exam here in louisiana.

i do feel that if mu can get their ath. budget to around 25-30 million dollars and upgrade all atheletic facilities they would be a shooo in. if the stadium goes to 50,000+ and new baseball field on campus, etc... i think marshall would be a great addition.

i hear people say that marshall doesn't add market size...so what. if you play good football what difference does it make. look at the sec...when roy kramer grew that conference it had nothing to do with market size. it had to do with fans and following. that is why he thought that john swofford's raid of the big east didn't make sense. why did swofford want northeastern schools???

i love wvu and i love mu...grew up in huntington, wv and graduated from huntington high attended mu and graduated. i want marshall in the big east too.

i just hopes it happens but probability is low...

here is my somewhat realistic new big east conference in 2010:

north

west virginia
pitt
syracuse
uconn
rutgers
navy
temple

south

louisville
marshall
ecu
cincinati
usf
memphis
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13 teams? A 6 team Division and a 7 team division. 03-puke Temple, Marshall and Navy? Never will happen!
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i counted wrong...throw temple out...
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I don't see a 12-team league on the horizon. As long as the BE has an auto bid to the BCS and 4 or 5 bowl tie-ins, why split that money 12 ways? They may add a ninth team just for ease of scheduling.

A 12-team, all-sports BE is a fun idea (especially if ECU is included 03-wink but is having a championship game gonna bring enough bucks in to make it worthwhile. I doubt it.

CUSA is going to a 12-team format this year, but they would have never gone to 12 if BCS money was involved. Every AD is crunching the numbers to see how big their cut is.

My guess is that UCF will get the ninth spot if the league decides to expand. Disney owns ABC/ESPN, and UCF is in Orlando. Big money will carry the day.
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I really don't see the BE going with UCF, merely because that would be yet another FL school for the rest of the conference to recruit against, USF really doesn't want them in, and the rest of the conference might have increase in travel with a trip to FL every year. One USF, next UCF. Hopefully it would never get scheduled for both.

If it was split into divisions the travel cost would be reduced down somewhat.
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ecu92 Wrote:I don't see a 12-team league on the horizon. As long as the BE has an auto bid to the BCS and 4 or 5 bowl tie-ins, why split that money 12 ways? They may add a ninth team just for ease of scheduling.

A 12-team, all-sports BE is a fun idea (especially if ECU is included 03-wink but is having a championship game gonna bring enough bucks in to make it worthwhile. I doubt it.

CUSA is going to a 12-team format this year, but they would have never gone to 12 if BCS money was involved. Every AD is crunching the numbers to see how big their cut is.

My guess is that UCF will get the ninth spot if the league decides to expand. Disney owns ABC/ESPN, and UCF is in Orlando. Big money will carry the day.
If all of this really mattered, then why wasnt UCF chosen in the first round of expansion. UCF will only get into the BE if within the next couple of years they have a couple of Louisville like seasons.
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Boston College
UCONN
Syracuse
Penn State
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Maryland
Cincinatti
Louisville

There is no need to fart around in Florida.

This lineup would deliver you the greatest TV market lock, stock, and barrel.

It would be the best basketball league top to bottom.

It would lock up BCS status forever.

It is geographically compact in its own area.

Best of all, it is doable if it's sold in the right way.

Don't add another school unless it's Penn State, Boston College, or Maryland.

Stick to your guns.
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