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Interesting to say the least. They would make geographic sense with UC, Louisville and West Virginia along with Kentucky making wicked wicked continuity. The rivalries would be pretty much insane.

It would just blow any ACC/BE basketball debate away and anyone arguing against a split would have to shut the hell up.

<a href='http://kentucky.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1430&tid=53658431&sid=&style=2' target='_blank'>UK to the Big East? Some fans think its not such a bad idea.</a>
06-09-2005 08:14 AM
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If the UK administration is worried about developing a successful football program then this move makes sense...if they are worried about $$$ then it is a horrible idea.....UK football will always be a loser while it is in the SEC...you just look at there divison and that's 3-4 sure losses every year

-- but with that being said I would take them into the BE in a second


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That would be awesome! But they would never leave the SEC. The geographics would be perfect. Vandy would also be a great target and they have even less chance of football success ever in the SEC. They would be so much better aligned with the BEAST academically.
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Now that would be a weird raid one that takes SEC teams. But to take their bottom feeders, bad idea. I know the UL fans would be stoked because its UK. However, the basketball side of the equation taking UK would ensure that we are the absolute most dominant basketball conference ever.
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brista21 Wrote:Now that would be a weird raid one that takes SEC teams. But to take their bottom feeders, bad idea. I know the UL fans would be stoked because its UK. However, the basketball side of the equation taking UK would ensure that we are the absolute most dominant basketball conference ever.
No I would not, screw the Pussycats. Plus on their board some of them feel they could beat Pitt, Rutgers, UConn and could hang with WVU right now. I found that humerous to say the least. They absolutely SUCK in football.
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brista21 Wrote:Now that would be a weird raid one that takes SEC teams. But to take their bottom feeders, bad idea. I know the UL fans would be stoked because its UK. However, the basketball side of the equation taking UK would ensure that we are the absolute most dominant basketball conference ever.
The thing about Kentucky is their fan base. Even though they suck bigtime at football these guys regularly pack 70,000 into their football stadium. This is with 50 some odd years of futility, not like Penn State where the fanbase can linger on past glories. You might add crap football but it would do nothing to hurt the BCS standing simply from a market standpoint. Plus they travel in droves, just having them in the conference would aid with bowl negotiations. If they ever won consistently they would eaisly be one of the top traveling fan bases in the SEC when it comes to bowl games.
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Maize Wrote:
brista21 Wrote:Now that would be a weird raid one that takes SEC teams. But to take their bottom feeders, bad idea. I know the UL fans would be stoked because its UK. However, the basketball side of the equation taking UK would ensure that we are the absolute most dominant basketball conference ever.
No I would not, screw the Pussycats. Plus on their board some of them feel they could beat Pitt, Rutgers, UConn and could hang with WVU right now. I found that humerous to say the least. They absolutely SUCK in football.
Who cares what they think they could do? They think they are going to pound us every year and every year we kick their arse! The only thing they have to hang their hat on in the last 7 years is a 22-17 win that they celebrate like it was a national title. Things would play out much the same way in the Big East.
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I'm actually surprised at the amount of fans actually in favor of moving to the Big East.

Fun to talk about but won't happen for the $$$ and pride issues.

And if it ever happened would FSU go to the SEC?
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Uk fans and Syracuse fans would get along like peas in a pod. :crying:
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Yuleofell Wrote:Uk fans and Syracuse fans would get along like peas in a pod. :crying:
Boeheim's wife is a UK grad so you might be right.
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Having been there/done that with the topic, I think if Kentucky wanted to do this type of move they would've done so over a year ago, jumping to the ACC. Same concept really: Powerhouse conference for basketball, more opportunity in football. And while the UK to the BE idea offers the Louisville game as a conference rivalry, the ACC switch would've offered more financial security. My family in Versailles, Kentucky liked the idea a little, but mostly were just happy Louisville wasn't #12. This leads me to believe that most folks at Kentucky won't be actively seeking an alliance with Louisville any time soon. Certainly not for what would likely be less money. Besides, if it's one thing the BE doesn't need it's another power basketball program. At what point is the product oversaturated, as someone must finish last, you know. If Kentucky were to ever move and the ACC isn't taking calls, my guess is the Big 10 would be the most loikely of a whole bunch of unlikely scenarios.

Below are links to pages from another board where we discussed the realignment stuff ad nauseum when it all began. Scroll down the page from the first link and you'll find a post offering a link to an article (since expired) suggested Kentucky as ACC #12. To see varied the discussions go, the second link is from a thread started due to an op-ed piece (also expired) touting PSU should've been #12, and the third is a link to the article touting Florida as #12, with the text just below.

Kentucky to ACC discussion
<a href='http://ncaasports.proboards10.com/index.cgi?board=acc&action=display&thread=1057034564&page=2' target='_blank'>http://ncaasports.proboards10.com/index.cg...57034564&page=2</a>

PSU to ACC discussion
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Florida to ACC op-ed
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Time for Florida to be the 12th member of the ACC

By MIKE BIANCHI
The Orlando Sentinel

ORLANDO, Fla. - Go Gators.
To the ACC, that is.

OK, you orange-and-blue babies, it's time to stop whining about how Florida State and Miami have had it easy all these years and put your team on a level playing field. If you dare.

The University of Florida should split the SouthLeastern Conference right now and do the right thing for its academic reputation and athletic program - join the Atlantic Coast Conference.
Before all you UF fans lose your mind and send one of your football players to permanently disfigure me, I remind you of some memorable words uttered by the man who made you what you are:

"We're the only state where the three big schools are all in different conferences. It's ridiculous. Florida, Florida State and Miami all ought to be in the same conference. That would make everything equal."

Steve Spurrier uttered those wishful words during his final year at UF. Of course, Spurrier was shooting from the lip as he often did in those days. Everybody just sort of rolled their eyes because such a concept seemed impossible back then.

Not anymore. Suddenly, it's possible for all three state schools to be in the same league. Possible - and plausible.

Nobody likes how the back-stabbing, money-grubbing ACC went about adding Miami and Virginia Tech, but what's done is done. The new rules of etiquette have been established - and there are no rules.

Everybody is out for No. 1. The ACC did what it felt it had to do for the betterment of its league. Now the Gators should do what they need to do, too. The ACC still needs another team so it can get to 12 members and play a conference championship game. Florida should be that 12th man.
The landscape has changed and so has the balance of power. There was a time not so long ago when I thought Florida State belonged in the SEC - geographically, philosophically, socially and sentimentally. The Seminoles were a football school hopelessly misplaced in a basketball league.

Now, with Miami and Florida State in the ACC, the Gators are the ones who are misplaced. Florida officials and old-time fans will tell you there is too much history and heritage to ever leave the SEC. That's just pride and pigheadedness.

Most Florida fans compare themselves to FSU and Miami, not Auburn and Georgia. And most Florida fans would rather play Miami every year than Tennessee. And with FSU and UM in the mix, an ACC title suddenly becomes more meaningful to Florida fans than an SEC championship.

Besides, the SEC-rivalry argument is overblown. The Gators don't even play Auburn on an annual basis anymore, and the annual series with Tennessee is barely a decade old. The only rivalry worth preserving is Florida-Georgia, and those teams could still play even if UF did leave the SEC.

The more you think about the Gators in the ACC, the more it makes sense. Florida now fancies itself as a basketball school, and what better place for a basketball school than the ACC?
Florida also likes to think of itself as one of the nation's finest public institutions of higher learning. The ACC has an exemplary academic reputation. You hang around with Duke, Virginia and North Carolina and people talk about your number of graduates. You hang around with Alabama, Mississippi State and Kentucky and people talk about your number of sanctions.
It used to be UF fans lampooned the caliber of football in the ACC (Almost Competitive Conference), but those days are over. In fact, with Miami, FSU, Virginia Tech, North Carolina State, Maryland and Virginia, the new ACC has six legitimate Top 25 programs this year.

On second thought, maybe the Gators better stay in the SEC for a few more years. They're not quite ready yet to compete with the big boys of the ACC.
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It must be the winter of their discontent in Kentucky. I was absolutely shocked at how many KY fans would like to come to the BE.

Of course, I can't see their admin ever feeling the same way.

I would welcome them. Heck, at this point, I'd welcome any bcs school.

In BB, they'd be a great add. I'm not against adding great bb schools; I prefer to add schools who play good bb.

In FB, they'd be competitive, but I don't think it would be nearly as easy for them as they think. I think they'd only play .500 ball in the BE. Their fans are very supportive. Even with their fb history, they drew 62,000 fans avg. last year. That would make them the best draw in the BE, which could influence bowls. They would have ready-made rivalries with LOU AND WVU.

I'd like it.
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Quote:It used to be UF fans lampooned the caliber of football in the ACC (Almost Competitive Conference), but those days are over. In fact, with Miami, FSU, Virginia Tech, North Carolina State, Maryland and Virginia, the new ACC has six legitimate Top 25 programs this year.On second thought, maybe the Gators better stay in the SEC for a few more years. They're not quite ready yet to compete with the big boys of the ACC.

-- Ahh...ACC arrogance at its finest.....UVA and Maryland in the top 25 this yr? Both schools lost some good players of off last yrs team and the Terps didn't even go to a bowl last yr.....but one must give credit where credit is do...the ACC does have the best PR machine of any conference...if you listen to there cronies they have more bball talent then the 16 team BE and are better in football then the SEC


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If Kentucky really wanted in the BE, and the 3 FL schools really wanted in the same conference, that would be something to consider.

NORTH DIVISION:
UCONN, PITT, SYR, RUTG, WVU, CIN.

SOUTH DIVISION:
LOU, KENTUCKY, USF, MIAMI, FL STATE, FLORIDA.

Never happen, but interesting.
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Jackson1011 Wrote:-- Ahh...ACC arrogance at its finest.....UVA and Maryland in the top 25 this yr? Both schools lost some good players of off last yrs team and the Terps didn't even go to a bowl last yr.....but one must give credit where credit is do...the ACC does have the best PR machine of any conference...if you listen to there cronies they have more bball talent then the 16 team BE and are better in football then the SEC
Jackson, you should know me better than this! And read more carefully.

That article is from July 2003, back when the ACC was still looking for #12. And it's written by an Orlando Sentinel editor. I don't know his background but Orlando is more Gator territory than Seminole.

Down boy! Down!

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JIM15068 Wrote:It must be the winter of their discontent in Kentucky. I was absolutely shocked at how many KY fans would like to come to the BE.
I counted five seperate posters on that thread who voiced the desire to make the move. Did I miss a few... thousand?
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I don't know Jim...even if it could happen, I don't see a north and south division. The south the way you have it broken down is mighty top heavy with established and new powerhouses. I'd say no division, championship game, and just a round robin schedule.
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L-yes Wrote:Interesting to say the least.&nbsp; They would make geographic sense with UC, Louisville and West Virginia along with Kentucky making wicked wicked continuity.&nbsp; The rivalries would be pretty much insane.

It would just blow any ACC/BE basketball debate away and anyone arguing against a split would have to shut the hell up.

<a href='http://kentucky.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1430&tid=53658431&sid=&style=2' target='_blank'>UK to the Big East?&nbsp; Some fans think its not such a bad idea.</a>
As much as that Kentucky fan wants it, the SEC could benefit, too.

East SEC

South Carolina OR South Carolina
Georgia OR Georgia
Florida OR Florida
Tennessee OR Tennessee
Vanderbilt OR Vanderbilt
Alabama OR Florida State OR North Carolina State
Auburn

West SEC

Mississippi State OR Mississippi State
Mississippi OR Mississippi
Louisiana State OR Louisiana State
Arkansas OR Arkansas
Texas OR Alabama
Texas A&M OR Auburn
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GunnerFan Wrote:Having been there/done that with the topic, I think if Kentucky wanted to do this type of move they would've done so over a year ago, jumping to the ACC. Same concept really: Powerhouse conference for basketball, more opportunity in football. And while the UK to the BE idea offers the Louisville game as a conference rivalry, the ACC switch would've offered more financial security. My family in Versailles, Kentucky liked the idea a little, but mostly were just happy Louisville wasn't #12. This leads me to believe that most folks at Kentucky won't be actively seeking an alliance with Louisville any time soon. Certainly not for what would likely be less money. Besides, if it's one thing the BE doesn't need it's another power basketball program. At what point is the product oversaturated, as someone must finish last, you know. If Kentucky were to ever move and the ACC isn't taking calls, my guess is the Big 10 would be the most loikely of a whole bunch of unlikely scenarios.

Below are links to pages from another board where we discussed the realignment stuff ad nauseum when it all began. Scroll down the page from the first link and you'll find a post offering a link to an article (since expired) suggested Kentucky as ACC #12. To see varied the discussions go, the second link is from a thread started due to an op-ed piece (also expired) touting PSU should've been #12, and the third is a link to the article touting Florida as #12, with the text just below.

Kentucky to ACC discussion
<a href='http://ncaasports.proboards10.com/index.cgi?board=acc&action=display&thread=1057034564&page=2' target='_blank'>http://ncaasports.proboards10.com/index.cg...57034564&page=2</a>

PSU to ACC discussion
<a href='http://ncaasports.proboards10.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1089236655' target='_blank'>http://ncaasports.proboards10.com/index.cg...read=1089236655</a>

Florida to ACC op-ed
<a href='http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/6230267.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...rts/6230267.htm</a>
Time for Florida to be the 12th member of the ACC

By MIKE BIANCHI
The Orlando Sentinel

ORLANDO, Fla. - Go Gators.
To the ACC, that is.

OK, you orange-and-blue babies, it's time to stop whining about how Florida State and Miami have had it easy all these years and put your team on a level playing field. If you dare.

The University of Florida should split the SouthLeastern Conference right now and do the right thing for its academic reputation and athletic program - join the Atlantic Coast Conference.
Before all you UF fans lose your mind and send one of your football players to permanently disfigure me, I remind you of some memorable words uttered by the man who made you what you are:

"We're the only state where the three big schools are all in different conferences. It's ridiculous. Florida, Florida State and Miami all ought to be in the same conference. That would make everything equal."

Steve Spurrier uttered those wishful words during his final year at UF. Of course, Spurrier was shooting from the lip as he often did in those days. Everybody just sort of rolled their eyes because such a concept seemed impossible back then.

Not anymore. Suddenly, it's possible for all three state schools to be in the same league. Possible - and plausible.

Nobody likes how the back-stabbing, money-grubbing ACC went about adding Miami and Virginia Tech, but what's done is done. The new rules of etiquette have been established - and there are no rules.

Everybody is out for No. 1. The ACC did what it felt it had to do for the betterment of its league. Now the Gators should do what they need to do, too. The ACC still needs another team so it can get to 12 members and play a conference championship game. Florida should be that 12th man.
The landscape has changed and so has the balance of power. There was a time not so long ago when I thought Florida State belonged in the SEC - geographically, philosophically, socially and sentimentally. The Seminoles were a football school hopelessly misplaced in a basketball league.

Now, with Miami and Florida State in the ACC, the Gators are the ones who are misplaced. Florida officials and old-time fans will tell you there is too much history and heritage to ever leave the SEC. That's just pride and pigheadedness.

Most Florida fans compare themselves to FSU and Miami, not Auburn and Georgia. And most Florida fans would rather play Miami every year than Tennessee. And with FSU and UM in the mix, an ACC title suddenly becomes more meaningful to Florida fans than an SEC championship.

Besides, the SEC-rivalry argument is overblown. The Gators don't even play Auburn on an annual basis anymore, and the annual series with Tennessee is barely a decade old. The only rivalry worth preserving is Florida-Georgia, and those teams could still play even if UF did leave the SEC.

The more you think about the Gators in the ACC, the more it makes sense. Florida now fancies itself as a basketball school, and what better place for a basketball school than the ACC?
Florida also likes to think of itself as one of the nation's finest public institutions of higher learning. The ACC has an exemplary academic reputation. You hang around with Duke, Virginia and North Carolina and people talk about your number of graduates. You hang around with Alabama, Mississippi State and Kentucky and people talk about your number of sanctions.
It used to be UF fans lampooned the caliber of football in the ACC (Almost Competitive Conference), but those days are over. In fact, with Miami, FSU, Virginia Tech, North Carolina State, Maryland and Virginia, the new ACC has six legitimate Top 25 programs this year.

On second thought, maybe the Gators better stay in the SEC for a few more years. They're not quite ready yet to compete with the big boys of the ACC.
When the ACC sought to expand with Syracuse, Miami, and Boston College, I was thinking that the ACC should consider Georgia, Miami, and Florida.

My feeling was that UGA and Florida could exit the SEC's "academic's second" mentality and join schools like North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Georgia Tech, etc....

In addition, the ACC could cement their southern based conference.

North

Maryland
Virginia
North Carolina
Duke
Wake Forest
North Carolina State

South

Clemson
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Florida
Florida State
Miami

On first glance, it may look too compact (4 schools in North Carolina? 3 schools in Florida?). The politics of the Big 4 (UNC, NCSU, Duke, and Wake) would have supported this type of move. In addition, the NC/VA/MD market would benefit from this arrangement. The round-robin scheduling would not have been as much of an issue when the north ACC together.

The southern ACC would also be compact and this could be of concern. UGA and Clemson are an hour(?) from each other. The Florida schools are still hours from each other (Miami to Gainesville/Gainsville to Talla...). Overall, I don't think the compact nature of the conference would be an issue. There is still enough distance between the schools and the schools mentioned usually dominate the local media/interest.

Television would not be as broad as the current SEC but, would be more focused on the MD/VA/NC/SC/GA/FL markets. There are some really wealthy cities in this footprint and the schools mentioned do carry their states in fan support.
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Lets all please stop all of this talk about acc expansion on this BE board. I hate the acc.
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