This quote apperaed in an article out of Charleston, WV this morning


Jackson

Quote:There’s a smidge of good news for WVU and Big East fans. The Capital One Bowl, pitting Big Ten and Southeastern Conference teams, has agreed with ABC to keep intact an exclusive window. No other Big Ten or SEC teams can play bowl games during that New Year’s Day time slot.

That impacts the Big East because the Gator Bowl, which has taken the league’s No. 2 team, has been shopping around for another affiliation. Now, unless the Gator wants to move from New Year’s Day, which it doesn’t, the bowl’s choices have been narrowed to the Big 12 and Big East.

In order to land the Big 12’s No. 3 team, Gator officials would have to outbid the Holiday Bowl. The Alamo has the conference’s No. 4 team. There has also been talk the Gator could enter into a group agreement with the Holiday and Alamo. (What would be in it for those bowls, though? Simply that they don’t get blown out of the water by the Gator’s cash?)

WVU athletic director Ed Pastilong, likewise in Charleston for the Classic, made a bold prediction Thursday.

“I think the Gator and Big East will stay together,’’ Pastilong said. “The Big East has produced some of the Gator Bowl’s biggest turnouts. Then throw in Notre Dame. The Big East has been good for the Gator Bowl and vice versa.

“If [Gator officials] go to another conference, they won’t have Notre Dame in their game. Our second place and Notre Dame is a pretty good deal.’’

As we have talked about before, tell the Gator Bowl that the Big East, minus the Notre Dame stipulation, would would love to participate in its bowl.

Or, the Big East will send its #2 to The Champs Bowl.

WacoBearcat Wrote:As we have talked about before, tell the Gator Bowl that the Big East, minus the Notre Dame stipulation, would would love to participate in its bowl.

Or, the Big East will send its #2 to The Champs Bowl.

The reality is Notre Dame is our "Ace in the Hole". If we got rid of Notre Dame we'd have a bowl lineup similiar to C-USA.

I'd love to get the Champs as our #3 bowl. It is fairly important to have a game on Jan 1st for the confernece's prestige.

All these bowls are posturing--pretty soon someone will "blink" and they will all quickly fall in line. We (the BE) need to stay proactive but not panic.

As I have said all along--I was never convinced the Gator was leaving even despite all the second hand sourced articles.

That's true TexanMark....you have said the Gator bowl will stick around all along


Jackson

TexanMark Wrote:The reality is Notre Dame is our "Ace in the Hole". If we got rid of Notre Dame we'd have a bowl lineup similiar to C-USA.

Don't say that to Cat's Claw or you'll get nine kinds of hell.

3601 Wrote:

TexanMark Wrote:The reality is Notre Dame is our "Ace in the Hole".  If we got rid of Notre Dame we'd have a bowl lineup similiar to C-USA.

Don't say that to Cat's Claw or you'll get nine kinds of hell.

I can handle it--I've been a fan of college sports since Larry Czonka was carrying the ball for the Cuse.

There is a love/hate relationship with Notre Dame...

3601 Wrote:

TexanMark Wrote:The reality is Notre Dame is our "Ace in the Hole".  If we got rid of Notre Dame we'd have a bowl lineup similiar to C-USA.

Don't say that to Cat's Claw or you'll get nine kinds of hell.

What the hell are you talking about? What do I have to do with this?

I agree...Notre Dame is the Ace in the hole and has been for a long time...and IMO, plays a lot more than we think in their "non-membership" with the BE.

Pittusmc Wrote:I agree...Notre Dame is the Ace in the hole and has been for a long time...and IMO, plays a lot more than we think in their "non-membership" with the BE.

I agree. I don't mind Notre Dame being in on the bowl action so much as them having so much power for a conference split. While I would like the conference to have their own complete bowl connection Notre Dame willing to play conference teams makes it fine by me since they'll have to go through Big East teams to become Bowl Eligible. It's just the fact that Notre Dame wanted the conference to stay together. Either way, it seems to be working out.

Cat...ur right.....also, you will see the longer your in the BE (since UC is new of coarse) that ND has much pull ( like when the ACC raided us and the rest of the BE football teams were meeting...ND was informed of all moves it was seen in the papers that leaked out on the net) and at times the fans get peed off because of this even me...a lot exactly. I know from things in the past that ND does not want the spilt. ND claims to be "happy" with being in the BE for all other sports and they "claimed" they wanted to help with the new 3 teams a year deal. I guess for ND to even promise any conference a deal like that...makes me think what they are up to for the future. As we know....ND never comes out in public to favor a conference...but I guess they help for keeping big bowls....so far anyways....it just makes me think...its like a chess move.....lol....

Quote:Pittusmc Posted on Jun 11 2005, 11:22 AM
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Cat...ur right.....also, you will see the longer your in the BE (since UC is new of coarse) that ND has much pull ( like when the ACC raided us and the rest of the BE football teams were meeting...ND was informed of all moves it was seen in the papers that leaked out on the net) and at times the fans get peed off because of this even me...a lot exactly. I know from things in the past that ND does not want the spilt. ND claims to be "happy" with being in the BE for all other sports and they "claimed" they wanted to help with the new 3 teams a year deal. I guess for ND to even promise any conference a deal like that...makes me think what they are up to for the future. As we know....ND never comes out in public to favor a conference...but I guess they help for keeping big bowls....so far anyways....it just makes me think...its like a chess move.....lol.... 

It was suppose to be a 4 game deal with the BE, but that was contingent upon the 12th game coming into being and BC remaining in the league.

This still isn't such a big deal when you considering that ND has long term deals with Pitt (and BC) and wanted to start marketing itself more to NYC (the RU or UConn game).

So I don't want anyone to think ND is doing us any great favors with the scheduling deal.

As for the Gator, if the B12 says "Yes, you can have either our #4 or ND", don't think for a moment the Gator or ND is going to refuse. It's just that the B12 isn't going to say this. Only the BE is going to do something like this.

Cheers,
Neil

omnicarrier Wrote:

Quote:Pittusmc Posted on Jun 11 2005, 11:22 AM
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Cat...ur right.....also, you will see the longer your in the BE (since UC is new of coarse) that ND has much pull ( like when the ACC raided us and the rest of the BE football teams were meeting...ND was informed of all moves it was seen in the papers that leaked out on the net) and at times the fans get peed off because of this even me...a lot exactly. I know from things in the past that ND does not want the spilt. ND claims to be "happy" with being in the BE for all other sports and they "claimed" they wanted to help with the new 3 teams a year deal. I guess for ND to even promise any conference a deal like that...makes me think what they are up to for the future. As we know....ND never comes out in public to favor a conference...but I guess they help for keeping big bowls....so far anyways....it just makes me think...its like a chess move.....lol.... 

It was suppose to be a 4 game deal with the BE, but that was contingent upon the 12th game coming into being and BC remaining in the league.

This still isn't such a big deal when you considering that ND has long term deals with Pitt (and BC) and wanted to start marketing itself more to NYC (the RU or UConn game).

So I don't want anyone to think ND is doing us any great favors with the scheduling deal.

As for the Gator, if the B12 says "Yes, you can have either our #4 or ND", don't think for a moment the Gator or ND is going to refuse. It's just that the B12 isn't going to say this. Only the BE is going to do something like this.

Cheers,
Neil

Omni; You have expressed some valid points, except possibly your last paragragh. I know it was reported once that ND could piggyback with the Big12, but I highly doubt that ND would screw the BE like that for a deal that would possibly hurt them in the long run.

ND does very well with their non revenue generating sports in the BE. Unless the Big 12 would allow ND to join for bb, ND does not want to give up its non revenue sports and bb deals with the BE.
They would never screw the BE for a Big12 minor bowl deal, even if the Big12 let them join for bb only simply because the Big12 bb deal is small compared to the BE. Imagine what the new BE bb deal will be when new negotiations start with louisville and Cincy.

ND will have the greatest deal that any independent could ever have by being aligned with the BE: Independence for fb, and playing in the best and deepest bb conference that has ever existed.

ND being aligned with the BE for bowls has some benefits, but the ND being aligned with BE bb has some benefits as well.
In my opinion, the deal is mutually beneficial at this time.

The real question in this matter is what kind of access does ND get? If its the old deal then or does the Gator get unfettered access?

Quote:It was suppose to be a 4 game deal with the BE, but that was contingent upon the 12th game coming into being and BC remaining in the league.

This still isn't such a big deal when you considering that ND has long term deals with Pitt (and BC) and wanted to start marketing itself more to NYC (the RU or UConn game).

-- the version I heard was ND would agree to partial BE membership if BC stayed, Navy was included for football only and the 12 game season passed.....but that could be wrong

Jackson

Quote:As for the Gator, if the B12 says "Yes, you can have either our #4 or ND", don't think for a moment the Gator or ND is going to refuse. It's just that the B12 isn't going to say this. Only the BE is going to do something like this.

Does B12 needs ND to get Gator if B12 want Gator even with #4 or #5? Right now Gator doesn’t have any other choice when they drop BE. If they want to do businesses with B12 they have take that deal w/o ND unless they go after C-USA or MWC. I don’t think Gator have any power until they double the payout. As for the BE need ND so they (ND and Gator) need us to keep the bowl going. I would love to see ND do business with someone else other than the BE. Every football schools would have every right not play ND in any sport. Does Gator bowl shutdown business for the year when ND don’t qualify for bowl or go to BCS?

Quote:SO#1 Posted on Jun 12 2005, 11:28 AM
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Does B12 needs ND to get Gator if B12 want Gator even with #4 or #5? Right now Gator doesn’t have any other choice when they drop BE. If they want to do businesses with B12 they have take that deal w/o ND unless they go after C-USA or MWC. I don’t think Gator have any power until they double the payout. As for the BE need ND so they (ND and Gator) need us to keep the bowl going. I would love to see ND do business with someone else other than the BE. Every football schools would have every right not play ND in any sport. Does Gator bowl shutdown business for the year when ND don’t qualify for bowl or go to BCS? 

The focus of my point wasn't the Gator. Rather it was ND. While I appreciate that association with the Gold Domers does have its benefits - those benefits are greatly overexaggerated by both the Irish fans and some BE fans as well.

Is it good for the BE to have a 3 game scheduling agreement with ND? Of course it is, but the B10 virtually has a similar arrangement as well simply due to ND's nearly annual rivalries with Purdue and Michigan/Michigan State. It's not as though ND is going to end its series with Pitt (and had BC remained, the Eagles)?

Is it good for the BE to have ND in terms of Bowl affiliations? Again, of course it is, but it isn't as though ND can broker their own conference affiliation with a bowl, since they are only 'one' team, and its not as though any conference above the BE in stature is going to allow them to potentially 'steal' funds away from their league.

Which in turn, led me to the point that if say the B12 was willing to do so, don't for even one heartbeat moment in time believe that ND would say,

"No, sorry, our bowl affiliation deal is exclusively with the BE. We won't abandon our partners for all other sports to be associated with your conference for bowl deals."

Get my point now?

Cheers,
Neil

omnicarrier Wrote:Is it good for the BE to have ND in terms of Bowl affiliations? Again, of course it is, but it isn't as though ND can broker their own conference affiliation with a bowl, since they are only 'one' team, and its not as though any conference above the BE in stature is going to allow them to potentially 'steal' funds away from their league.

I'm not sure about that. ND by itself can't have 5 bowls to go to, but if they have an exclusive agreement with the Champs, meaning every year that ND doesn't BCS bowl they have rights to Notre Dame, a deal like that could be worked out. If ND isn't bowl elgible it would be an at large slot, something like that.

omnicarrier Wrote:Is it good for the BE to have ND in terms of Bowl affiliations? <span style='color:red'> Again, of course it is, but it isn't as though ND can broker their own conference affiliation with a bowl, since they are only 'one' team, </span>and its not as though any conference above the BE in stature is going to allow them to potentially 'steal' funds away from their league.

Which in turn, led me to the point that if say the B12 was willing to do so, don't for even one heartbeat moment in time believe that ND would say,

"No, sorry, our bowl affiliation deal is exclusively with the BE.&nbsp; We won't abandon our partners for all other sports to be associated with your conference for bowl deals."

Get my point now?&nbsp;

Cheers,
Neil

As long we understand each other that ND don’t have that much power as what some BE fans thinks they have. I believe those BE fans are from non-1A schools. They are scare to dead about the split. They are trying to change our mind at our weakest moment. The same go to all non-BCS fans want to supplant the NBE.

Regarding the benefit of ND is to keep ND from the B10 and maybe B10 return to 10 members by give ND what they want that no other BCS conferences can’t give that is independent ND FB that why we have to split at all cost. I’m sure you read some of my though on that subject.

Quote:Kit-Cat Posted on Jun 12 2005, 12:04 PM
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I'm not sure about that. ND by itself can't have 5 bowls to go to, but if they have an exclusive agreement with the Champs, meaning every year that ND doesn't BCS bowl they have rights to Notre Dame, a deal like that could be worked out. If ND isn't bowl elgible it would be an at large slot, something like that.&nbsp;

Kit-Cat, at-large bowl spots is precisely the situation bowls, particularly the better ones are trying to avoid. This is why conference affiliation is what the bowls want.

Cheers,
Neil