New to the Board and conference..well almost 20 days or so. Anyway I had a question If we lose the gator and Insight.com will our bowl situation look like this?

1. BCS
2. Champs Sports
3. Muffler (continental tire)
4. Motor city
5. Independence/music city

Just wanted to get a few more views.

Bearcatattack! Wrote:New to the Board and conference..well almost 20 days or so. Anyway I had a question If we lose the gator and Insight.com will our bowl situation look like this?

1. BCS
2. Champs Sports
3. Muffler (continental tire)
4. Motor city
5. Independence/music city

Just wanted to get a few more views.

Not sure about the Big East's other bowls, but the Motor City Bowl is only if the Big Ten does not have a team available to play in the game. In 2003 the Big Ten did have a team available and it was Bowling Green from the MAC against Northwestern from the Big Ten. In 2004 the Big Ten did not have enough bowl eligible teams, so the tie-in went to the Big East and Toledo from the MAC played UCONN. If the Big Ten has enough bowl eligible teams this fall, the Big East won't have a team in the Motor City Bowl. My guess is that there is about a 50-50 chance.

First it is now doubtful the Big East will lose the Insight.com Bowl. What is likely to occur is the Big 10 and Big East will alternate bowls between the Insight.com and Music City.

It is also looking more likely that the Gator Bowl just might stay with the Big East after all. We shall see in a few weeks.

Maize Wrote:First it is now doubtful the Big East will lose the Insight.com Bowl. What is likely to occur is the Big 10 and Big East will alternate bowls between the Insight.com and Music City.

It is also looking more likely that the Gator Bowl just might stay with the Big East after all. We shall see in a few weeks.

I think its a great idea to rotate with the B10 and if the Gator pulls through the BE could come out smelling the rose. As for the Motor City Bowl it sucks. Last I went I could have sworn we were playing the game in a building build near the north pole on an artic ice sheet. It was something like 50 below zero with 30-50 mile an hour wind gusts. No thanks.

The Motor City Bowl is now played in one of the nicest venues in all of football, Ford Field, the enclosed home of the Detroit Lions and site of the upcoming Super Bowl.

Also, at this venue the Motor City Bowl for the last couple of years is averaging 50,000 plus in attendance, one of the best attended non-BCS Bowls.

why would B-10 rotate out of Music City with SEC opponent that brings 30,000 fans for Insight Bowl with 6-5 Pac-10 that brings 10,000 fans. Gator Bowl wants ND every yr, GB only looking for back up when ND not bowl eligable, that would B-E #2. B-E could offer Liberty bowl B-E #2 when ND eligable for Gator. You also have to realize 7-5 ND might not be good fit vs 10-2 FSU in Gator with 10-2 B-E still available, Then ND slips to Libirty Bowl. If B-E ends up with Champs bowl #2, this conf is in alot more trouble than any of you guys think.

Quote:templefootballfan Posted on Jun 12 2005, 10:21 AM
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why would B-10 rotate out of Music City with SEC opponent that brings 30,000 fans for Insight Bowl with 6-5 Pac-10 that brings 10,000 fans. Gator Bowl wants ND every yr, GB only looking for back up when ND not bowl eligable, that would B-E #2. B-E could offer Liberty bowl B-E #2 when ND eligable for Gator. You also have to realize 7-5 ND might not be good fit vs 10-2 FSU in Gator with 10-2 B-E still available, Then ND slips to Libirty Bowl. If B-E ends up with Champs bowl #2, this conf is in alot more trouble than any of you guys think. 

Yeah, like we are in such bad shape as compared to say, umm...the MAC? :rolleyes:

Actually, most here know the dangers. NBE is in a precarious position in regards to the BCS auto-bid - but it wasn't removed like most of the nation thought was going to happen. NBE would lose the Gator, which still may happen, but appears less likely to happen now than it did a few weeks ago. So despite the many attempts to kill the NBE, it's surviving, wounded but not mortally wounded for now.

Since Temple administration has made the decision to remain D1A, here's hoping they put some money where their mouths are and get the Owls up to snuff over the next five years.

The Linc is a magnificent venue and it would be a shame not to have some 35,000+ show up for a good Temple team dedicated to proving it belongs back in the Big East - and this time as a full sports member.

Best of luck to the Owls.

Cheers,
Neil

templefootballfan Wrote:why would B-10 rotate out of Music City with SEC opponent that brings 30,000 fans for Insight Bowl with 6-5 Pac-10 that brings 10,000 fans. Gator Bowl wants ND every yr, GB only looking for back up when ND not bowl eligable, that would B-E #2. B-E could offer Liberty bowl B-E #2 when ND eligable for Gator. You also have to realize 7-5 ND might not be good fit vs 10-2 FSU in Gator with 10-2 B-E still available, Then ND slips to Libirty Bowl. If B-E ends up with Champs bowl #2, this conf is in alot more trouble than any of you guys think.

The rotation of bowls between the Big East and Big Ten was in an article out of I think the Arizona Republic a couple of weeks ago.

templefootballfan Wrote:why would B-10 rotate out of Music City with SEC opponent that brings 30,000 fans for Insight Bowl with 6-5 Pac-10 that brings 10,000 fans. Gator Bowl wants ND every yr, GB only looking for back up when ND not bowl eligable, that would B-E #2. B-E could offer Liberty bowl B-E #2 when ND eligable for Gator. You also have to realize 7-5 ND might not be good fit vs 10-2 FSU in Gator with 10-2 B-E still available, Then ND slips to Libirty Bowl. If B-E ends up with Champs bowl #2, this conf is in alot more trouble than any of you guys think.

Aren't you the same person say ridiculous things like Syracuse, Pitt and UConn to the Big Ten and other stupid crap like that? If you had actually read and article you would know about the rotating bowl situation with the Big Ten. In fact, the Big East is close with the Big Ten and Pac-10 on a number of fronts so obviously they're going to work together. In fact, reading your post, you don't know ANYTHING that is going on. The talk of the Gator bowl possibly staying. The Liberty Bowl isn't coming to the Big East let alone being our #2 bowl. If the Gator Bowl wanted Notre Dame every year they would just do that, they wouldn't bother negotiating with the Big East and Big 12. As for your ridiculous comment about the conference being in serious trouble if we get the Champs Bowl, the Champs Bowl pays out as much money as the Gator Bowl. It's not a New Year's bowl, but the Pac-10 doesn't have a New Year's bowl either. You seriously need to read things and get up to date before running over to this board trying to spread gloom and doom.

convental wisdom said ACC would not expand because they had highst payout, well ACC did expand. Read article on rotating bowls, also read article that it does not seem fesiable. If ACC can push thier way into Outback, B-10 will move to Gator, If Gator wants ND they need backup plan, B-E will give backup B-10 won't. Why B-E is not chasing Liberty beyond me. Champs does want to move up in pecking order, but #2. If B-E does not come up with some type bowl arrangement, ND pulls out, then what.

One of the Big 10's goal in the bowl shuffle is to reduce their Texas bowls to one and to increase their southern/Florida bowls. That would mean making a rotation deal with Champs, Gator, Cotton would be high on the list. If Delaney can pull it off, then the Insight won't be as important to him and they'll be less likely to kick out the BE. The BE could be factored into rotation along with the ACC and the Big XII. That is still under discussion but the Gator is reluctant to join in. The BE won't be hurt too bad in all the realignment as long as ND keeps its ties. If ND gives up its bowl alliance with the BE, then the BE needs to start worrying.

convental wisdom said ACC would not expand because they had highst payout, well ACC did expand.

You continue to show that you don't know anything about this situation. Logic said they WOULD expand because they were having trouble meeting BCS requirements and fielding strong BCS squads. The SEC is the highest grossing conference not the ACC. Forget payouts.

Read article on rotating bowls, also read article that it does not seem fesiable. If ACC can push thier way into Outback, B-10 will move to Gator, If Gator wants ND they need backup plan, B-E will give backup B-10 won't.

What is holding back the situation is the Gator Bowl finding a proper home while remaining a New Year's Bowl.

Why B-E is not chasing Liberty beyond me.

Because they don't have a high enough payout. And the Big East and the Liberty Bowl don't have any interest in each other. I don't now how many times people have to tell you that.

Champs does want to move up in pecking order, but #2. If B-E does not come up with some type bowl arrangement, ND pulls out, then what.

The Big East wants to improve their bowl arrangement, the Champs Bowl wants a #2 BCS conference team. The Big East needs destination for their #2 team. The Big East is a BCS conference. Think.

sports Wrote:One of the Big 10's goal in the bowl shuffle is to reduce their Texas bowls to one and to increase their southern/Florida bowls. That would mean making a rotation deal with Champs, Gator, Cotton would be high on the list. If Delaney can pull it off, then the Insight won't be as important to him and they'll be less likely to kick out the BE. The BE could be factored into rotation along with the ACC and the Big XII. That is still under discussion but the Gator is reluctant to join in. The BE won't be hurt too bad in all the realignment as long as ND keeps its ties. If ND gives up its bowl alliance with the BE, then the BE needs to start worrying.

Exactly, and Notre Dame isn't leaving. With the Big Ten looking to reduce their Texas bowls what is the chances of the Big East slipping into the Alamo Bowl?