For all you panickers and ACC/ Big Ten wannabes. Here is how I see things thorugh my red tinted glasses.

1) Virginia Tech out- Louisville in

Ul can almost match VT's contibution to the conference right now. Give us a couple of years to expand the pizza box and garner some more Northeastern recruits and most, if not all, of you will be saying this was more than a fair trade for the Big East. Particularly, when you factor in the basketball side of the equation.


2) Boston College out- Cincy in

Once again Cincy is almost a match for BC now. They have been bowling 5 of the last 7 years I believe and should challenge for the conference championship just as much as BC did. In basketball they more than make up BC's loss also. Give them a couple of seasons and I think most will vote this trade ended up in the Big East's favor.

3) Miami out - USF in

Here is the "big" loss. The Big East lost its "dominate" team. But is that really such a bad thing? Now, I can see any one of the Big East teams being capable of winning the football conference championship over the next few seasons. Recruits who might think Miami was going to win no matter what just might look elsewhere now.

Pitt looks like they are already swimming to the top to try to fill the void. Syracuse will be stepping up. Wv is certainly not regressing any. The Ville will be kicking tail and taking names. Uconn is climbing in a hurry. Rutgers is going to have the season they have been dreaming of one of these days. Cincy is rebuilding to challenge soon. USF is not about to be the conference doormat. ( I picked them 4th until their problems at DT. Now I am sliding them down to 7th until they prove they can stop the run this year.)

So The Big East lost its marquee school but gained a conference full of competitive teams that will be exciting to watch. You could make a case for any team to rise to the top over the next 4 years. I for one, am excited about our conference and can't wait to see how it develops over the next few years. :wave:

I agree. In fact, I just started a thread about the competitive advantages of our current setup.

I hope we end up getting a shot at Virginia Tech in a bowl this season. Our O and their D would make for some top-notch drama.

BC had a nice year last year, but they had the advantage of FINALLY taking advantage of their affiliation in the Big East and having veteran players. People always laugh at Cincinnati at some point contending for a Big East title but it could easily happen. The program has the facilities and recruit base in place, and now conference affiliation. And the coaches we have have experience in big time conferences or situations, having been at big time program, (Michigan State, Ohio State, South Carolina), coached a Top 10 team (our DC was the DC for Miami when they finished in the Top 10), and our head coach has a national championship, so anything is possible in the future.

Yuleofell Wrote:2) Boston College out- Cincy in

Once again Cincy is almost a match for BC now. They have been bowling 5 of the last 7 years I believe and should challenge for the conference championship just as much as BC did. In basketball they more than make up BC's loss also. Give them a couple of seasons and I think most will vote this trade ended up in the Big East's favor.

Lou is about the football equivalent of BC.

I agree.

None of the new BE schools match Miami football history nor Va Tech past decade of success on the field.

UL has the potential of a Va Tech but is probably more comparable to BC.

I actually like USF potential more so than UC. There is no excuse for UC Football not to be more established and revered in college football. They been at it for 200 years.

JMO.

Go UAB!

EdisonDoyle Wrote:

Yuleofell Wrote:2) Boston College out- Cincy in

Once again Cincy is almost a match for BC now. They have been bowling 5 of the last 7 years I believe and should challenge for the conference championship just as much as BC did. In basketball they more than make up BC's loss also. Give them a couple of seasons and I think most will vote this trade ended up in the Big East's favor.

Lou is about the football equivalent of BC.

I don't think so. They werent much of a match for us the last time we played (1998) and that was a 'down' year for us.

L-yes Wrote:

EdisonDoyle Wrote:

Yuleofell Wrote:2) Boston College out- Cincy in

Once again Cincy is almost a match for BC now. They have been bowling 5 of the last 7 years I believe and should challenge for the conference championship just as much as BC did. In basketball they more than make up BC's loss also. Give them a couple of seasons and I think most will vote this trade ended up in the Big East's favor.

Lou is about the football equivalent of BC.

I don't think so. They werent much of a match for us the last time we played (1998) and that was a 'down' year for us.

Please - 1998 was the norm for Lou football. 1998 was a bad year for BC.
Cincinnati isn't in BC's stratosphere.

EdisonDoyle Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

EdisonDoyle Wrote:

Yuleofell Wrote:2) Boston College out- Cincy in

Once again Cincy is almost a match for BC now. They have been bowling 5 of the last 7 years I believe and should challenge for the conference championship just as much as BC did. In basketball they more than make up BC's loss also. Give them a couple of seasons and I think most will vote this trade ended up in the Big East's favor.

Lou is about the football equivalent of BC.

I don't think so. They werent much of a match for us the last time we played (1998) and that was a 'down' year for us.

Please - 1998 was the norm for Lou football. 1998 was a bad year for BC.
Cincinnati isn't in BC's stratosphere.

The how do you explain UC beating Virginia Tech then? Oh yeah, Boston College is a juggernaut. Right.

EdisonDoyle Wrote:

Yuleofell Wrote:2) Boston College out- Cincy in

Once again Cincy is almost a match for BC now. They have been bowling 5 of the last 7 years I believe and should challenge for the conference championship just as much as BC did. In basketball they more than make up BC's loss also. Give them a couple of seasons and I think most will vote this trade ended up in the Big East's favor.

Lou is about the football equivalent of BC.

What a stupid comment.

[QUOTE]Cincinnati isn't in BC's stratosphere.


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ROTFLMFAO

Apparently Boston College is some big time juggernaut. Cincinnati may not be a national power, but we sure as all heck can hang with Boston College. And that was without Big East/BCS affiliation. Last year's UC team, when completely healthy, started to kick @ss at the end of the season. Last year's Boston College team was probably their best team in the Big East. I'd put that UC team against that Boston College team any day of the week. I would put our 1997 Bowl team against last year's BC team.

UC beat BC 24-7 in their last meeting in 1997.

UC and BC are 2-2 since 1985. BC has the overall edge 4-3.

Wow - they sure are a lot better than UC. :rolleyes:

This was mentioned on the board a while back but it bears repeating

-- UL has acheived the football level VT was at prior to Vick without the benefit of BCS access....and that is saying a lot...a lot of people forgot how poor the VT program was prior to joining the BE...if there were message boards in those days...most BE fans would have horrified that they were inculded....with that being said...I don't think UL is quite at VTs level yet...VT probably average's close to 68k per and his in the top 15 most yrs...the Cardinals aren't at that level yet but could be shortly with some staduim expansion and since they are in a BCS league

-- Boston College was nothing more then a 3rd-5th place team almost every year while there were in the BE...there best team was in 1993 when they beat then #1 ranked ND in southbend but that was still only good enough for 3rd in the BE....BC hasn't been to a New Yrs day bowl since Doug Flutie....I don't think it is a stretch at all to think UC can be at the level soon

-- What people are also forgetting in this thread is that we also traded Temple for Uconn...which is a big time plus no matter which way you look at it

-- Miami is irreplaceable...no one is going to argue that...but I think USF can turn into a very solid football program given time.


Jackson

Jackson1011 Wrote:This was mentioned on the board a while back but it bears repeating

-- UL has acheived the football level VT was at prior to Vick without the benefit of BCS access....and that is saying a lot...a lot of people forgot how poor the VT program was prior to joining the BE...if there were message boards in those days...most BE fans would have horrified that they were inculded....with that being said...I don't think UL is quite at VTs level yet...VT probably average's close to 68k per and his in the top 15 most yrs...the Cardinals aren't at that level yet but could be shortly with some staduim expansion and since they are in a BCS league

-- Boston College was nothing more then a 3rd-5th place team almost every year while there were in the BE...there best team was in 1993 when they beat then #1 ranked ND in southbend but that was still only good enough for 3rd in the BE....BC hasn't been to a New Yrs day bowl since Doug Flutie....I don't think it is a stretch at all to think UC can be at the level soon

-- What people are also forgetting in this thread is that we also traded Temple for Uconn...which is a big time plus no matter which way you look at it

-- Miami is irreplaceable...no one is going to argue that...but I think USF can turn into a very solid football program given time.


Jackson

I agree. I think people mistake me when I compare Louisville and Virginia Tech. As far as programs and stature Louisville isn't at VT's level yet. But, as far as having a quality team on the field last year and this year Louisville is close to, if not at Virginia Tech's level. Both are legit Top 10 squads.

Chill the Big East will be just fine but the Cuse has to step up now!

UC is 3-4 vs Boston College lifetime and UC beat them at BC in 1997.

UC is 4-3 lifetime vs VT and UC beat them 16-0 in 1995 at VT.

On to basketball...NO CONTEST-

UC basketball was rated the #10 basketball program of all time by Street and Smith and VT or BC were not even in the top 50....so how is UC NOT a good replacement for either school?

Go Bearcats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!