I like The BEast, and I wouldn't mind staying there. The BEast has been good for WVU, and WVU has been good for The BEast. The majority of our rivals are in The BEast. But that said, if the SEC comes calling I'd jump at the chance. It would be stupid to pass up that kind of money and exposure, even if the competition is tougher...

(09-15-2011 08:20 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(09-15-2011 07:01 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-15-2011 06:32 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(09-15-2011 06:11 PM)justinslot Wrote:  

(09-15-2011 05:52 PM)MWD1001 Wrote:  Not true. Every single one of the remaining B12 programs will end up in a AQ Conference. The Big East is already on record as saying they would take in any and all remaining B12 programs looking for a home. There will be enough life boats to go around. It's the non-AQ hopefuls that will go down with the ship. And that's what's sad.

Yep. Well, I don't know if that's on record or not, but the consensus is we would definitely take them all. (Which is why we're in the fairly sleazy position of rooting for another conference's demise.) But depending on who goes where there may be room for a non-AQ or two...at the very least UCF should be a priority, I feel like.

You should take UCF, ECU, Houston, and maybe even SMU before you take Baylor. You should take all five of the aforementioned schools before you take Iowa State.

When one of those 5 schools beats Iowa, we'll think about it. Iowa State did it last week...

BTW, there is no record of The BEast saying that all the Big XII leftovers would have a home. It's not outside the realm of feasibility. But as far as I know, there's been no official statement from The BEast office saying that. The only rumors stating such things have emminated from Texas...

If there are at least 5 leftovers, it would take the BE to 14 in football and 22 in basketball. Would we see a split or a thining out?

SEC, Big Ten and ACC will thin out the Big East for you, Wilkie. We're all just going to have to wait and see what happens.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO!

The roller coaster is at the top of the hill. Let's see how exciting the drop is.

(09-15-2011 05:52 PM)MWD1001 Wrote:  Not true. Every single one of the remaining B12 programs will end up in a AQ Conference. The Big East is already on record as saying they would take in any and all remaining B12 programs looking for a home.

All Big 12 teams with an AQ invite take one step forward.

Hey, Baylor and Iowa State, not so fast...

(09-15-2011 06:56 PM)LLB53 Wrote:  Has there been any updated "musings" as to whther the PAC12 will take OSU as well, or is the thought that they're just interested in OU and/or Texas still leading the pack?

OSU will join OU a few days later. They both have said all along they will stick together and that is not just football talk but the universities in total.

Nice post 10 Mount....this realignment season is like no other. I really have no idea what comes next. I do hope that the big 12 survives and WVU ends up in the SEC though....

A couple of covered wagons heading west across the Oklahoma wasteland, not much new in that. Hope they enjoy the land of fruits and nuts.

(09-15-2011 07:01 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-15-2011 06:32 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(09-15-2011 06:11 PM)justinslot Wrote:  

(09-15-2011 05:52 PM)MWD1001 Wrote:  

(09-15-2011 03:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  And like the Titannic, there aren't enough life boats for everyone in the Big XII...

Not true. Every single one of the remaining B12 programs will end up in a AQ Conference. The Big East is already on record as saying they would take in any and all remaining B12 programs looking for a home. There will be enough life boats to go around. It's the non-AQ hopefuls that will go down with the ship. And that's what's sad.

Yep. Well, I don't know if that's on record or not, but the consensus is we would definitely take them all. (Which is why we're in the fairly sleazy position of rooting for another conference's demise.) But depending on who goes where there may be room for a non-AQ or two...at the very least UCF should be a priority, I feel like.

You should take UCF, ECU, Houston, and maybe even SMU before you take Baylor. You should take all five of the aforementioned schools before you take Iowa State.

When one of those 5 schools beats Iowa, we'll think about it. Iowa State did it last week...

BTW, there is no record of The BEast saying that all the Big XII leftovers would have a home. It's not outside the realm of feasibility. But as far as I know, there's been no official statement from The BEast office saying that. The only rumors stating such things have emminated from Texas...

Which one of those 5 schools do you think Iowa could beat this year? Iowa St goes 2-3 against those 5 teams at best, with 1-4 more likely.

(09-15-2011 04:18 PM)superdeluxe Wrote:  Head West.

Going west is program suicide. Road basketball games that start at 9:30 local time? Students losing 2 hours on the ride home? All the extra travel expense?

I don't get it. Except to say OU is scared of the SEC and has no other good choice if the Big 12 implodes.

(09-15-2011 08:20 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  If there are at least 5 leftovers, it would take the BE to 14 in football and 22 in basketball. Would we see a split or a thining out?

If there were 5 leftovers, I would consider taking all 5 and going to 14/22. At one point I wanted to cap the conference at 20 hoops schools, but now think that there would be advantages to doing our part to take any B12 refugees. My biggest fear is that if the B12 survives with UT still as a member, it could be the BE that ends up getting decimated by raids from other conferences.

At this point, 5 schools seems like an unlikely scenario. TAMU is going to the SEC. It needs a partner. OU and OSU would be going to the P12. I'm starting to believe these UT to the ACC rumors. It would also need a partner.

In the smallest movement scenario. TAMU and, say, VPI to the ACC; UT to the ACC (returning it to 12); OU and OSU to the P12. That leaves 6 in the B12 -- decapitated but capable of reloading. No BE school would seem likely interested in joining KU, KSU, MU, BU, TTU and ISU. The more likely candidates would be BYU, BSU and 2-4 other MWC/CUSA schools. Even at 5 schools, the B12 could probably stick together by grabbing BYU, BSU and some other MWC/CUSA schools and maintain BCS AQ status.

In an "all hell breaks loose" scenario, I could see:

- TAMU and MU to the SEC.
- OU, OSU and possibly TTU and KU to the P12.
- UT, BU/TTU and possibly KU and TTU/BU to the ACC.
- KSU and ISU to the BE (in which case the BE could invite BYU as a 12th in FB).

If MU is replaced in the SEC by VPI or WVU, MU ends up in either the P12 or BE, and more shuffling occurs. BE could end up with any combination of 2 or 3 (or even 4) from among KU, KSU, MU, BU, TTU and ISU.

Very fluid situation. It will be very interesting to watch play out.

(09-16-2011 07:48 AM)orangefan Wrote:  In an "all hell breaks loose" scenario, I could see:

- TAMU and MU to the SEC.
- OU, OSU and possibly TTU and KU to the P12.
- UT, BU/TTU and possibly KU and TTU/BU to the ACC.
- KSU and ISU to the BE (in which case the BE could invite BYU as a 12th in FB).

I'm still perplexed by people (mostly yankees and people out east, which is understandable I guess) including Baylor as an option to go anywhere. They add nothing. If UT is going to take another Texas school, Tech, Houston, even SMU are far better options for a myriad of reasons. Even Rice - they don't try to win, but neither does Baylor. Five years in CUSA for Baylor and they'll be on Rice's level. 5 years for Rice in a BCS conference and they'll be on Baylor's level.

Plus I'm not sure religiously associated schools that are secular in instruction want to be associated with a school as radical as Baylor. They only allowed dancing on campus a few years ago. In many ways they are more radical than BYU.

(09-16-2011 07:48 AM)orangefan Wrote:  If there were 5 leftovers, I would consider taking all 5 and going to 14/22. At one point I wanted to cap the conference at 20 hoops schools, but now think that there would be advantages to doing our part to take any B12 refugees. My biggest fear is that if the B12 survives with UT still as a member, it could be the BE that ends up getting decimated by raids from other conferences.

At this point, 5 schools seems like an unlikely scenario. TAMU is going to the SEC. It needs a partner. OU and OSU would be going to the P12. I'm starting to believe these UT to the ACC rumors. It would also need a partner.

In the smallest movement scenario. TAMU and, say, VPI to the ACC; UT to the ACC (returning it to 12); OU and OSU to the P12. That leaves 6 in the B12 -- decapitated but capable of reloading. No BE school would seem likely interested in joining KU, KSU, MU, BU, TTU and ISU. The more likely candidates would be BYU, BSU and 2-4 other MWC/CUSA schools. Even at 5 schools, the B12 could probably stick together by grabbing BYU, BSU and some other MWC/CUSA schools and maintain BCS AQ status.

In an "all hell breaks loose" scenario, I could see:

- TAMU and MU to the SEC.
- OU, OSU and possibly TTU and KU to the P12.
- UT, BU/TTU and possibly KU and TTU/BU to the ACC.
- KSU and ISU to the BE (in which case the BE could invite BYU as a 12th in FB).

If MU is replaced in the SEC by VPI or WVU, MU ends up in either the P12 or BE, and more shuffling occurs. BE could end up with any combination of 2 or 3 (or even 4) from among KU, KSU, MU, BU, TTU and ISU.

Very fluid situation. It will be very interesting to watch play out.

Since it is so fluid and things can change at the last moment, I wonder if the BE situation called for adding BYU as a FB only, would the BE also consider adding Boise St as another FB only? I mean, geography is clearly out the window anyway.

(09-16-2011 07:55 AM)frogforever Wrote:  

(09-16-2011 07:48 AM)orangefan Wrote:  In an "all hell breaks loose" scenario, I could see:

- TAMU and MU to the SEC.
- OU, OSU and possibly TTU and KU to the P12.
- UT, BU/TTU and possibly KU and TTU/BU to the ACC.
- KSU and ISU to the BE (in which case the BE could invite BYU as a 12th in FB).

I'm still perplexed by people (mostly yankees and people out east, which is understandable I guess) including Baylor as an option to go anywhere. They add nothing. If UT is going to take another Texas school, Tech, Houston, even SMU are far better options for a myriad of reasons. Even Rice - they don't try to win, but neither does Baylor. Five years in CUSA for Baylor and they'll be on Rice's level. 5 years for Rice in a BCS conference and they'll be on Baylor's level.

Plus I'm not sure religiously associated schools that are secular in instruction want to be associated with a school as radical as Baylor. They only allowed dancing on campus a few years ago. In many ways they are more radical than BYU.

Dick Weis agrees with you. He felt that Baylor and Iowa St. added nothing to any conference, including the Big East...and that according to his sources, none of them (including Kansas and Missouri) had been offered any standing invite to the Big East or had even been talked to about it.

I really doubt BYU would be interested in a FB only in the BE. They like the inde status they have. The B12 if Ok. stays would be hard to pass on.

(09-16-2011 08:07 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I really doubt BYU would be interested in a FB only in the BE. They like the inde status they have. The B12 if Ok. stays would be hard to pass on.

BYU does like the independent status because it provides more exposure. However, BYU is discovering quick that scheduling home/away with AQ schools is difficult in Oct and Nov. BYU would accept a Big East invite to get the AQ status, then they could leave their other sports in the WCC.

(09-16-2011 07:23 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Going west is program suicide. Road basketball games that start at 9:30 local time? Students losing 2 hours on the ride home? All the extra travel expense?

#1 misconception of a Pac-16, OMG we are traveling 3 time zones every week, Games not finishing till 1 am!!1

I apologize if you were being sarcastic.

(09-16-2011 07:55 AM)frogforever Wrote:  

(09-16-2011 07:48 AM)orangefan Wrote:  In an "all hell breaks loose" scenario, I could see:

- TAMU and MU to the SEC.
- OU, OSU and possibly TTU and KU to the P12.
- UT, BU/TTU and possibly KU and TTU/BU to the ACC.
- KSU and ISU to the BE (in which case the BE could invite BYU as a 12th in FB).

I'm still perplexed by people (mostly yankees and people out east, which is understandable I guess) including Baylor as an option to go anywhere. They add nothing. If UT is going to take another Texas school, Tech, Houston, even SMU are far better options for a myriad of reasons. Even Rice - they don't try to win, but neither does Baylor. Five years in CUSA for Baylor and they'll be on Rice's level. 5 years for Rice in a BCS conference and they'll be on Baylor's level.

Plus I'm not sure religiously associated schools that are secular in instruction want to be associated with a school as radical as Baylor. They only allowed dancing on campus a few years ago. In many ways they are more radical than BYU.

I have a hard time seeing UT on an island in the ACC. More likely they will need a travel partner (or 3). TTU would be good. However, Baylor is also a realistic add as UT's partner to the ACC. The ACC already has 4 private schools, 3 of which have religious affiliations. Indeed, BU already plays WFU in a "Baptist Bowl" in some years. This is a significantly different conference culture than the P12.

representatives from the PAC12 spotted in Norman,OK!

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/125...-12857.jpg

(09-16-2011 10:23 AM)orangefan Wrote:  I have a hard time seeing UT on an island in the ACC. More likely they will need a travel partner (or 3). TTU would be good. However, Baylor is also a realistic add as UT's partner to the ACC. The ACC already has 4 private schools, 3 of which have religious affiliations. Indeed, BU already plays WFU in a "Baptist Bowl" in some years. This is a significantly different conference culture than the P12.

Clearly superior choice for private schools is TCU (if they will go) or SMU. Baylor doesn't try so it isn't like they are a top program, and they don't draw major attendance. TCU is on par in attendance and SMU would be also if in a BCS conference. Baylor is in Waco, the middle of nowhere, 1.5 hours north of Austin. No market there, and even if they did, not far enough away anyway. DFW is 3+ hours from Austin, a top 5 metro area in population, and far enough away to add "footprint" vs Waco. Also, DFW is a major recruiting hotbed for both fball and bball. Waco is...... home of the Texas Rangers Hall of Fame and not much else.

(09-16-2011 10:42 AM)frogforever Wrote:  

(09-16-2011 10:23 AM)orangefan Wrote:  I have a hard time seeing UT on an island in the ACC. More likely they will need a travel partner (or 3). TTU would be good. However, Baylor is also a realistic add as UT's partner to the ACC. The ACC already has 4 private schools, 3 of which have religious affiliations. Indeed, BU already plays WFU in a "Baptist Bowl" in some years. This is a significantly different conference culture than the P12.

Clearly superior choice for private schools is TCU (if they will go) or SMU. Baylor doesn't try so it isn't like they are a top program, and they don't draw major attendance. TCU is on par in attendance and SMU would be also if in a BCS conference. Baylor is in Waco, the middle of nowhere, 1.5 hours north of Austin. No market there, and even if they did, not far enough away anyway. DFW is 3+ hours from Austin, a top 5 metro area in population, and far enough away to add "footprint" vs Waco. Also, DFW is a major recruiting hotbed for both fball and bball. Waco is...... home of the Texas Rangers Hall of Fame and not much else.

So much to argue against here.
1- Baylor is ranked and has scoreboard on you.
2- We have a better overall athletic department than both SMU and TCU with very good men's and women's hoops.
3- We historically outdraw you and while the Big 12 helps, you attendance has spiked in 2 consecutive BCS years. Given equal competition and equal results we will outdraw tcu and always have. TCU has done well but 2x the student body counts for a lot.
4- Waco is 1.5 hours to DFW and Austin and BU alumni outnumber both the Frogs and Ponies in DFW (41k vs 25k and 39k). We also have a similar # of BU alumni in Houston to what TCU has in DFW (21k to 25k)
5- Waco is within 3 hours of EVERY texas recruiting hotbed.

6- SMU has only touched us in attendance in the pony excess days where in addition to cheating they were a bigger team than they would realistically become again anytime soon. I feel it is important to distinguish how the schools did against common foes, but split out UT and ATM as they made everyone draw big. Looking at the other schools gives a better picture as they don't travel nearly as well.

- Against common opponents other than UT and A&M, BU outdrew SMU 37,000 to 34,000. Considering the number of fans for other schools in Dallas that helped SMU that is a big edge for BU. If you take TCU out (45minutes from SMU) SMU's average drops to 31k and BU stays at 37k. Clearly the TCU proximity helped SMU.

- Against UT and A&M, SMU outdrew BU 53,000 to 43,000 but if you take the capacity of SMU's games at Texas stadium (65k) to equal BU's capacity (50k) you get 48,000 for SMU. Texas and A&M made those crowds anyway as each has around 50-70k alumni in DFW. It is a spike of 20k for those opponents for SMU and only 6k for BU compared to other common foes.

- Since the death penalty SMU has drawn very little. Similar home games against Tech, TCU, Rice, New Mexico, and UAB over the last decade have had attendance figures decidedly in Baylor's favor over SMU and even when visiting fans are factored out.

- Baylor has better facilities across the board than both with the football stadium being the only exception and a new one with a 300m pricetag coming soon.

I like SMU and TCU and pull for them but I feel you drastically undersell Baylor here.