(08-28-2011 09:32 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(08-28-2011 08:13 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(08-28-2011 06:24 PM)Hilltopper2K Wrote:  If we added say Missouri State (which is desirable in multiple sports and for market, and is better geographically) for all sports and needed antoher team to round out divisions then I might like to add ASU for football only. That way you get all the potential benefit without most of the drawbacks.

Missouri State will not leave the Missouri Valley Conference. The MVC is ranked 12th in RPI the Sun Belt is ranked 23rd.

Who cares where they rank? FCS is just not as relevant as FBS, regardless of what the rankings say. Why ride a bike (FCS) when you have a car (FBS) in the garage?

He was actually referring to basketball.

In basketball moving from the Missouri Valley to the Sun Belt, would be like in football moving from the ACC to CUSA.

Unless we either start to improve our basketball league dramatically, or we offer them football only, Missouri State will have to decide if playing FBS football is worth taking a large step down in basketball.

AH, gotcha.

I'M not sure this is a majority opinion of app state fans but I thought this thread was interesting - sort of reminiscent of the Haven five or six years ago...

Say NO to the SunBelt

(08-29-2011 12:18 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  I'M not sure this is a majority opinion of app state fans but I thought this thread was interesting - sort of reminiscent of the Haven five or six years ago...

Say NO to the SunBelt

That thread is what it is. But just as a preface, most posters have gotten sick of talking about expansion/FCS vs FBS threads and are staying away from them on the Mountaineer Message Board (MMB). They typically turn nasty and are dominated by a few posters on each extreme. I don't really know what most App fans think about the Sunbelt (i.e. poll type info), but, a lot of the "hate" from that thread on the MMB is coming from those who simply don't want to leave the FCS.

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I'M not sure this is a majority opinion of app state fans but I thought this thread was interesting - sort of reminiscent of the Haven five or six years ago...

There is also a section :
Say No to C-USA

There are just some people that do not want to change anything. Most of those are people that simply enjoy the tailgating and seeing old friends at some of these other schools that we have played for years. Some have made such close friends with them that they do not even want App State to change anything because of their friendships.

(08-28-2011 08:13 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  Missouri State will not leave the Missouri Valley Conference. The MVC is ranked 12th in RPI the Sun Belt is ranked 23rd.

As someone pointed out this would have to be in the interest of 1A football. I used them as an example because they were mentioned in the other ASU thread. The larger point was that if we found a good all sports member then ASU might make sense as a football only addition.

And at any rate the Sunbelt has some really good recruiting classes in hoops this year. New Orleans had been pretty bad for a while and they're gone. Denver until recently was not very good and they too are leaving.

With the addition of MoState who is to say that the Sunbelt couldn't make a big leap forward in basketball?

Not only that, what has thier superior conference gotten them? How many second bids has the MVC had in the last four years? How many has the Sunbelt had in the last four years?

(08-29-2011 12:18 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  I'M not sure this is a majority opinion of app state fans but I thought this thread was interesting - sort of reminiscent of the Haven five or six years ago...

Say NO to the SunBelt

Yes it is.

I still think the best chance of a new FBS conference will like with the CAA partnering with an existing FBS conference. Even the WAC is getting less desperate these days, as the WAC apparently has 1-2 incoming full members in their back pocket. Temple, UMass, and Charlotte are also much too comfortable in the Atlantic 10.

What the CAA can offer the Sun Belt or WAC is increased exposure on the East Coast, a chance for appealing non-conference basketball matchups (imagine the boost to a school's RPI if it had Old Dominion or VCU on the schedule), and possibly a litany of 2-1 or 3-2 agreements down the road.

So even if Charlotte, Temple, and UMass all are willing to leave the Atlantic 10 to join an FBS CAA, the CAA still needs five more schools. Appalchian State could be one of those five, but the CAA needs at least four of their own to step up: Georgia State, Delaware, James Madison, and either Old Dominion or Towson (if not both). That would push CAA membership to 8 or 9 in football and 16 overall:

Sun Belt Football (while CAA members transition; *denotes football-only member)
Bubas (joined SBC prior to 1992) - USA, WKU, Charlotte*, Old Dominion*, Georgia State*, Arkasnas State, Louisiana
Thompson (joined SBC after 1992) - Troy, MTSU, App State*, James Madison*, Delaware*, North Texas, Louisiana-Monroe

CAA (post transition):
North - Northeastern, Hofstra, Drexel, Delaware, Towson, Temple, UMass, George Mason
South - James Madison, VCU, Old Dominion, William & Mary, Appalchian State, Charlotte, UNC-Wilmington, Georgia State

The irony is that the northern schools who became isolated might not want to leave now that UMass and Temple are on board, keeping the CAA stuck at 16. The FCS CAA league would be in absolute shambles (William & Mary, Richmond, Maine, New Hampshire, and possibly Villanova), and would probably take on the America East name after adding 1-2 schools (Stony Brook, Fordham, and Youngstown State come to mind).

(08-29-2011 07:20 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Sun Belt Football (while CAA members transition; *denotes football-only member)
Bubas (joined SBC prior to 1992) - USA, WKU, Charlotte*, Old Dominion*, Georgia State*, Arkasnas State, Louisiana
Thompson (joined SBC after 1992) - Troy, MTSU, App State*, James Madison*, Delaware*, North Texas, Louisiana-Monroe

That looks awful

Appy catching beat down vs. VT. 38-0 at the half

(09-03-2011 01:16 PM)panama Wrote:  Appy catching beat down vs. VT. 38-0 at the half

Doesn't mean much, I'm sure VT would be beating anyone in the Sun Belt right now as well, maybe not quite as badly, but as long as we're looking at FCS candidates they're resume should be 90% based off of how they stack up against one another, how they play in FBS games on the road with only 63 scholarships have little bearing on how they're viewed as an expansion candidate.

We get them week 3. That's a game I don't think will be pretty. VA Tech's defense is fast!

(09-03-2011 01:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-03-2011 01:16 PM)panama Wrote:  Appy catching beat down vs. VT. 38-0 at the half

Doesn't mean much, I'm sure VT would be beating anyone in the Sun Belt right now as well, maybe not quite as badly, but as long as we're looking at FCS candidates they're resume should be 90% based off of how they stack up against one another, how they play in FBS games on the road with only 63 scholarships have little bearing on how they're viewed as an expansion candidate.

At some point there is a lot of overlap between non-AQ and the top third of FCS. We all get blasted by the same scores against BCS AQ.

(09-03-2011 01:31 PM)westcoastwolf Wrote:  We get them week 3. That's a game I don't think will be pretty. VA Tech's defense is fast!

Very fast. I dont see anyone stopping them before they get to Charlotte

(08-23-2011 08:34 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  As I wrote on the CUSA board Appy fans better get it in their heads that CUSA isn't and won't be on the table. I have already showed them atleast 14 programs that are already a head of them in line, eleven IA prgrams and 3 IAA programs with more potential.

Those being:

Temple- Temple is who CUSA would contact 1st, no doubt in my mind.

Then in no order:
MTSU
WKU
North Texas
LA Tech
FAU/FIU
Louisiana Lafayette
Ark State
Ohio
Miami OH
Toledo

And IAA programs with more potental:
Charlotte
ODU
JMU

Charlotte, ODU and JMU have better facilites. They also have better basketball and olympic sports than Appy. Appy fans let th 3 year run in football go to their head.

Looks like this thread needs to be bumped. I gave a list of fourteen schools. On it four now have CUSA invites (UNT, FIU, LA Tech and Charlotte) and one has is getting ready to make a decsion. And it all points to them accepting (ODU).

Also five others have had talks with CUSA. And three are still active targets.

All three of ODU, Charlotte, JMU along with Delaware were ask informally at the final four if they were willing to move to CUSA. None of them wanted to at the time but when ODU got wind GMU and VCU were gone they contacted CUSA again.

(05-09-2012 09:07 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 08:34 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  As I wrote on the CUSA board Appy fans better get it in their heads that CUSA isn't and won't be on the table. I have already showed them atleast 14 programs that are already a head of them in line, eleven IA prgrams and 3 IAA programs with more potential.

Those being:

Temple- Temple is who CUSA would contact 1st, no doubt in my mind.

Then in no order:
MTSU
WKU
North Texas
LA Tech
FAU/FIU
Louisiana Lafayette
Ark State
Ohio
Miami OH
Toledo

And IAA programs with more potental:
Charlotte
ODU
JMU

Charlotte, ODU and JMU have better facilites. They also have better basketball and olympic sports than Appy. Appy fans let th 3 year run in football go to their head.

Looks like this thread needs to be bumped. I gave a list of fourteen schools. On it four now have CUSA invites (UNT, FIU, LA Tech and Charlotte) and one has is getting ready to make a decsion. And it all points to them accepting (ODU).

Also five others have had talks with CUSA. And three are still active targets.

All three of ODU, Charlotte, JMU along with Delaware were ask informally at the final four if they were willing to move to CUSA. None of them wanted to at the time but when ODU got wind GMU and VCU were gone they contacted CUSA again.

It now appears now that GMU is not moving and VCU is putting off a decision until they get a new AD.

(05-09-2012 09:07 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 08:34 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  As I wrote on the CUSA board Appy fans better get it in their heads that CUSA isn't and won't be on the table. I have already showed them atleast 14 programs that are already a head of them in line, eleven IA prgrams and 3 IAA programs with more potential.

Those being:

Temple- Temple is who CUSA would contact 1st, no doubt in my mind.

Then in no order:
MTSU
WKU
North Texas
LA Tech
FAU/FIU
Louisiana Lafayette
Ark State
Ohio
Miami OH
Toledo

And IAA programs with more potental:
Charlotte
ODU
JMU

Charlotte, ODU and JMU have better facilites. They also have better basketball and olympic sports than Appy. Appy fans let th 3 year run in football go to their head.

Looks like this thread needs to be bumped. I gave a list of fourteen schools. On it four now have CUSA invites (UNT, FIU, LA Tech and Charlotte) and one has is getting ready to make a decsion. And it all points to them accepting (ODU).

Also five others have had talks with CUSA. And three are still active targets.

All three of ODU, Charlotte, JMU along with Delaware were ask informally at the final four if they were willing to move to CUSA. None of them wanted to at the time but when ODU got wind GMU and VCU were gone they contacted CUSA again.

Do you hate App that much to spend this much time on them, it all points to yes.

HerdZoned, You bumped this thread Herd Zoned after the last post was almost 9 months ago!?

So, HerdZoned the CUSA asked four FCS schools to join them, be a part of the CUSA, full members or just football; and yet all four turned down the wonderful CUSA. Must hurt. Feel your pain man.

Did the four FCS schools turn down the CUSA because of certain things or just one thing.

Could it have been that these 4 FCS schools rejected Conference USA because only one of the CUSA schools (ECU) consistently draws more fans than some FCS schools in football?

Did the four FCS schools turn down an invitation because they thought there wasn't many teams with a lot of value left in CUSA?

Or, did these FCS schools think that they just not want to be associated academically with certain CUSA members?

Or, did these 4 FCS schools turn down the CUSA because the teams left in CUSA did not have much of a market;

Or did those four FCS schools turn down the CUSA because they are mainly located in rural areas, like Marshall University in, what is it, Huntington, West Virginia?

Did maybe those four FCS teams that turned down being members of CUSA maybe think that basketball in the CUSA was so poor that it would hurt their programs?

By the way, Congratulations to the ACC for their new ESPN deal (worth 3.6 Billion Dollars) where each team gets $17,000,000 per year! Wonder if Marshall will ever get something like that, HerdZoned? Naaaaaaaaah!

(05-09-2012 09:07 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 08:34 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  As I wrote on the CUSA board Appy fans better get it in their heads that CUSA isn't and won't be on the table. I have already showed them atleast 14 programs that are already a head of them in line, eleven IA prgrams and 3 IAA programs with more potential.

Those being:

Temple- Temple is who CUSA would contact 1st, no doubt in my mind.

Then in no order:
MTSU
WKU
North Texas
LA Tech
FAU/FIU
Louisiana Lafayette
Ark State
Ohio
Miami OH
Toledo

And IAA programs with more potental:
Charlotte
ODU
JMU

Charlotte, ODU and JMU have better facilites. They also have better basketball and olympic sports than Appy. Appy fans let th 3 year run in football go to their head.

Looks like this thread needs to be bumped. I gave a list of fourteen schools. On it four now have CUSA invites (UNT, FIU, LA Tech and Charlotte) and one has is getting ready to make a decsion. And it all points to them accepting (ODU).

Also five others have had talks with CUSA. And three are still active targets.

All three of ODU, Charlotte, JMU along with Delaware were ask informally at the final four if they were willing to move to CUSA. None of them wanted to at the time but when ODU got wind GMU and VCU were gone they contacted CUSA again.

WOW, what a pathetic bump.

So you have been sitting on this post for 8+ months waiting to bump it? What does that say about you?

You either posted this to show how smart you are (wow, you were able to correctly guess the 4 or 5 new members of CUSA in just 14 guesses!) or to throw it in the face of App fans (I guess we deserve it for having the audacity to want to join your conference). Either way, it's beyond sad and shows what a petty person you are.

Congrats on your new members. They have a lot of long term potential, and if CUSA is still together in 6 or 7 years when they are ready to contribute, you should have a hell of a conference. Maybe we get an invite at some point, maybe we don't. After dealing with CUSA fans and then coming over to these boards, I can say that I would be beyond thrilled with a Sun Belt invite.

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