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Dreadful Dozen - Doormats of 2011
Sadly, three Belt teams are listed04-jawdrop

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(07-11-2011 11:20 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Sadly, three Belt teams are listed04-jawdrop

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/bl...ng-content

Cant say I disagree much with FAU on there. This season will be great because us diehards finally have the OCS, other then that I dont have a lot of optimisim.

We'll have to see how the recuriting goes now with a real place to play and who/when/if they bring in a new coach.
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MWC 3
SBC 3
CUSA 2
MAC 2
WAC 2
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(07-12-2011 10:43 AM)ManzanoWolf Wrote:  MWC 3
SBC 3
CUSA 2
MAC 2 03-hissyfit 03-hissyfit 03-hissyfit
WAC 2
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RE: Dreadful Dozen - Doormats of 2011
(07-12-2011 01:18 PM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  
(07-12-2011 10:43 AM)ManzanoWolf Wrote:  MWC 3
SBC 3
CUSA 2
MAC 2 03-hissyfit 03-hissyfit 03-hissyfit
WAC 2

To be fair, even if these rankings were accurate(not saying they are not saying they're not) what's to say the MAC doesn't have more schools just outside of the "Dreadful Dozen" then we do?
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Kind of surprised there aren't more teams from the MAC. The bottom of the MAC is just bad, plain and simple.
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(07-12-2011 02:53 PM)Blazer4Life14 Wrote:  Kind of surprised there aren't more teams from the MAC. The bottom of the MAC is just bad, plain and simple.

Perception...
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I'd take the top of the Belt over the top of the MAC anyday...even if they do have NIU (who is pretty good IMO).
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(07-12-2011 05:56 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I'd take the top of the Belt over the top of the MAC anyday...even if they do have NIU (who is pretty good IMO).

2010

Florida International 6-2 7-6
Troy 6-2 8-5
Middle Tennessee 5-3 6-7
Arkansas State 4-4 4-8
Louisiana-Monroe 4-4 5-7
Florida Atlantic 3-5 4-8
Louisiana-Lafayette 3-5 3-9
North Texas 3-5 3-9
Western Kentucky 2-6 2-10

Miami (OH) 7-1 10-4
Ohio 6-2 8-5
Temple 5-3 8-4
Kent State 4-4 5-7
Bowling Green 1-7 2-10
Buffalo 1-7 2-10
Akron 1-7 1-11
WEST CONF OVERALL
Northern Illinois 8-0 11-3
Toledo 7-1 8-5
Western Michigan 5-3 6-6
Ball State 3-5 4-8
Central Michigan 2-6 3-9
Eastern Michigan 2-6 2-10

better records and way more OOC wins for the MAC top teams

2009

Troy 8-0 9-4
Middle Tennessee 7-1 10-3
Louisiana-Monroe 5-3 6-6
Florida Atlantic 5-3 5-7
Louisiana-Lafayette 4-4 6-6
Arkansas State 3-5 4-8
Florida International 3-5 3-9
North Texas 1-7 2-10
Western Kentucky 0-8 0-12

Ohio 7-1 9-5
Temple 7-1 9-4
Bowling Green 6-2 7-6
Kent State 4-4 5-7
Buffalo 3-5 5-7
Akron 2-6 3-9
Miami (OH) 1-7 1-11
WEST CONF OVERALL
Central Michigan 8-0 12-2
Northern Illinois 5-3 7-6
Western Michigan 4-4 5-7
Toledo 3-5 5-7
Ball State 2-6 2-10
Eastern Michigan 0-8 0-12

again advantage MAC clearly even if just the top 2 are counted

2008

Troy 6-1 8-5
Louisiana-Lafayette 5-2 6-6
Florida Atlantic 4-2 7-6
Arkansas State 3-3 6-6
Florida International 3-4 5-7
Middle Tennessee 3-4 5-7
Louisiana-Monroe 3-4 4-8
North Texas 0-7 1-11

Buffalo 5-3 8-6
Bowling Green 4-4 6-6
Temple 4-4 5-7
Akron 3-5 5-7
Kent State 3-5 4-8
Ohio 3-5 4-8
Miami (OH) 1-7 2-10
WEST CONF OVERALL
Ball State 8-0 12-2
Western Michigan 6-2 9-4
Central Michigan 6-2 8-5
Northern Illinois 5-3 6-7
Eastern Michigan 2-6 3-9
Toledo 2-6 3-9

their top two teams had one more OOC win than the top 3 belt teams

2007

Troy 6-1 8-4
Florida Atlantic 6-1 8-5
Louisiana-Monroe 4-3 6-6
Middle Tennessee 4-3 5-7
Arkansas State 3-4 5-7
Louisiana-Lafayette 3-4 3-9
North Texas 1-6 2-10
Florida International 1-6 1-11

Bowling Green 6-2 8-5
Miami (OH) 5-2 6-7
Buffalo 5-3 5-7
Ohio 4-4 6-6
Temple 4-4 4-8
Akron 3-5 4-8
Kent State 1-7 3-9
WEST CONF OVERALL
Central Michigan 6-1 8-6
Ball State 5-2 7-6
Western Michigan 3-4 5-7
Eastern Michigan 3-4 4-8
Toledo 3-5 5-7
Northern Illinois 1-6 2-10

was actually a "good year" for the belt VS the MAC.......from the data it looks like the MAC has actually been improving while the belt has been staying about the same and the MAC is doing things with a much wider variety of teams

2006

Troy 6-1 8-5
Middle Tennessee 6-1 7-6
Arkansas State 4-3 6-6
Florida Atlantic 4-3 5-7
Louisiana-Lafayette 3-4 6-6
Louisiana-Monroe 3-4 4-8
North Texas 2-5 3-9
Florida International 0-7 0-12

Ohio 7-2 9-5
Kent State 5-4 6-6
Akron 3-5 5-7
Bowling Green 3-5 4-8
Miami (OH) 2-6 2-10
Buffalo 1-7 2-10
WEST CONF OVERALL
Central Michigan 8-1 10-4
Western Michigan 6-2 8-5
Northern Illinois 5-3 7-6
Ball State 5-3 5-7
Toledo 3-5 5-7
Eastern Michigan 1-7 1-11

clearly the MAC

2005

Arkansas State 5-2 6-6
Louisiana-Lafayette 5-2 6-5
Louisiana-Monroe 5-2 5-6
Florida International 3-4 5-6
Middle Tennessee 3-4 4-7
Troy 3-4 4-7
Florida Atlantic 2-5 2-9
North Texas 2-5 2-9

Miami (OH) 5-3 7-4
Bowling Green 5-3 6-5
Akron 5-3 7-6
Ohio 3-5 4-7
Buffalo 1-7 1-10
Kent State 0-8 1-10
WEST CONF OVERALL
Toledo 6-2 9-3
Northern Illinois 6-2 7-5
Western Michigan 5-3 7-4
Central Michigan 5-3 6-5
Ball State 4-4 4-7
Eastern Michigan 3-5 4-7

trust me 04 and back is not any prettier

honestly I did not know how badly the comparison would favor the MAC overall, but there might be a reason you went to Troy 04-chairshot03-nutkick
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I'll take the bottom of the Belt before the bottom of the MAC any day. There are way to many colleges in Ohio.
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(07-12-2011 07:56 PM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  I'll take the bottom of the Belt before the bottom of the MAC any day. There are way to many colleges in Ohio.

who shoots for the bottom of anything......even the best of the bottom

Troy strikes again 03-lmfao
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wow Rodge, you went to some effort for that post. doesn't matter though, I still feel the same way. both leagues are moving forward, I think our teams will do so better and faster.
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I hope for the day when our Sun Belt conference has no teams ranked on lists like this one. As a conference, we must find a strategy for improving the performance of teams that continuously finish in the bottom 15 in all of the FBS. One Sun Belt school has to finish last in the conference, but that doesn't mean a Sun Belt school has to finish ranked in the botom 15 in all of college football.
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(07-12-2011 08:48 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I hope for the day when our Sun Belt conference has no teams ranked on lists like this one. As a conference, we must find a strategy for improving the performance of teams that continuously finish in the bottom 15 in all of the FBS. One Sun Belt school has to finish last in the conference, but that doesn't mean a Sun Belt school has to finish ranked in the botom 15 in all of college football.

lets wade back into a place called reality here

there are going to be 122 teams in D1-A soon

15/122 = 12.3%

so you are saying that no team from the belt should finish in the bottom 12% of teams

15 teams is larger than entire conference

there are 11 D1-A conferences + the indys

if you take the belt out of those 11 conferences you get 10 teams to divide up 15 teams in the bottom 15

you really expect every other conference will have 1.5 teams in the bottom 15 (or of course 3 conferences with 1 and 6 with 2 teams while the belt has none).....or maybe two conferences with 1 team 5 conferences with 2 teams and one with 3 teams while the SEC and the belt have none 03-lmfao

um news flash the belt is one of those conferences that is guaranteed to have at least 2 in the bottom 15.....even if the entire WAC next year (2012) was in the bottom 15 if the belt had 0 it would be one conference with 7 teams and 8 other conferences with at least one.....so the belt, the SEC and the Big 10 have none while every other conference has at least one and the MAC has 2 maybe huh 04-chairshot......or would it be the CUSA and MWC with 2 teams in the bottom 15 while the belt has none03-phew
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I did an in depth breakdown of the 2010 ooc schedule for the mac right before the bowl season last year. I'm not digging it up on behalf of one uneducated person, but what was found was that the mac played a TON of FCS schools last year and actually lost 2 or 3 of them. This contributes to the inaccurate view that the mac played well ooc. They didn't. SBC only played 2 or 3 FCS teams, and beat them all. Teams from the mac had one or two ooc wins against FBS teams with winning records....Navy I think was one of them. My opinion from watching actual games played by the two conferences is that SBC was better last year. The two conferences were pretty even for the previous couple or three years, and the mac was better prior to that. The SBC has drawn even, and now passed the mac. Due to many factors, one of which is where the SBC recruits, It's inevitable that the SBC will continue to widen the gap over the mac in the coming years. We have a few head to head match-ups to watch in 2011 including the GoDaddy Bowl, so time will tell.
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The MAC has a few more teams than we do though.
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(07-13-2011 03:49 PM)trojans664 Wrote:  I did an in depth breakdown of the 2010 ooc schedule for the mac right before the bowl season last year. I'm not digging it up on behalf of one uneducated person, but what was found was that the mac played a TON of FCS schools last year and actually lost 2 or 3 of them. This contributes to the inaccurate view that the mac played well ooc. They didn't. SBC only played 2 or 3 FCS teams, and beat them all. Teams from the mac had one or two ooc wins against FBS teams with winning records....Navy I think was one of them. My opinion from watching actual games played by the two conferences is that SBC was better last year. The two conferences were pretty even for the previous couple or three years, and the mac was better prior to that. The SBC has drawn even, and now passed the mac. Due to many factors, one of which is where the SBC recruits, It's inevitable that the SBC will continue to widen the gap over the mac in the coming years. We have a few head to head match-ups to watch in 2011 including the GoDaddy Bowl, so time will tell.

As I recall without doing any research, the MAC played only one FBS OOC the first week of college football; all the rest were FCS schools. The MAC front loads with FCS to pad their W/L records and follow that up by playing B10 OOC which is not as difficult as the OOC SEC teams taken on by the SBC.

The SBC and the MAC are equal and, yes, the SBC will pass the MAC as a conference very soon, if not already.
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(07-12-2011 09:12 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(07-12-2011 08:48 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I hope for the day when our Sun Belt conference has no teams ranked on lists like this one. As a conference, we must find a strategy for improving the performance of teams that continuously finish in the bottom 15 in all of the FBS. One Sun Belt school has to finish last in the conference, but that doesn't mean a Sun Belt school has to finish ranked in the botom 15 in all of college football.

lets wade back into a place called reality here

there are going to be 122 teams in D1-A soon

15/122 = 12.3%

so you are saying that no team from the belt should finish in the bottom 12% of teams

15 teams is larger than entire conference

there are 11 D1-A conferences + the indys

if you take the belt out of those 11 conferences you get 10 teams to divide up 15 teams in the bottom 15

you really expect every other conference will have 1.5 teams in the bottom 15 (or of course 3 conferences with 1 and 6 with 2 teams while the belt has none).....or maybe two conferences with 1 team 5 conferences with 2 teams and one with 3 teams while the SEC and the belt have none 03-lmfao

um news flash the belt is one of those conferences that is guaranteed to have at least 2 in the bottom 15.....even if the entire WAC next year (2012) was in the bottom 15 if the belt had 0 it would be one conference with 7 teams and 8 other conferences with at least one.....so the belt, the SEC and the Big 10 have none while every other conference has at least one and the MAC has 2 maybe huh 04-chairshot......or would it be the CUSA and MWC with 2 teams in the bottom 15 while the belt has none03-phew

For all your research and number crunching you can't even get the number right?

124 not 122, Texas State, UTSA, South Alabama and UMASS are all confirmed.
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(07-14-2011 04:30 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(07-12-2011 09:12 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(07-12-2011 08:48 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I hope for the day when our Sun Belt conference has no teams ranked on lists like this one. As a conference, we must find a strategy for improving the performance of teams that continuously finish in the bottom 15 in all of the FBS. One Sun Belt school has to finish last in the conference, but that doesn't mean a Sun Belt school has to finish ranked in the botom 15 in all of college football.

lets wade back into a place called reality here

there are going to be 122 teams in D1-A soon

15/122 = 12.3%

so you are saying that no team from the belt should finish in the bottom 12% of teams

15 teams is larger than entire conference

there are 11 D1-A conferences + the indys

if you take the belt out of those 11 conferences you get 10 teams to divide up 15 teams in the bottom 15

you really expect every other conference will have 1.5 teams in the bottom 15 (or of course 3 conferences with 1 and 6 with 2 teams while the belt has none).....or maybe two conferences with 1 team 5 conferences with 2 teams and one with 3 teams while the SEC and the belt have none 03-lmfao

um news flash the belt is one of those conferences that is guaranteed to have at least 2 in the bottom 15.....even if the entire WAC next year (2012) was in the bottom 15 if the belt had 0 it would be one conference with 7 teams and 8 other conferences with at least one.....so the belt, the SEC and the Big 10 have none while every other conference has at least one and the MAC has 2 maybe huh 04-chairshot......or would it be the CUSA and MWC with 2 teams in the bottom 15 while the belt has none03-phew

For all your research and number crunching you can't even get the number right?

124 not 122, Texas State, UTSA, South Alabama and UMASS are all confirmed.

Just forget him. The guy couldn't cut it at UNT so he responds with negatives.05-nono
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