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(06-28-2011 04:44 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  Obama is not my beloved POTUS. I think he's an idiot.

Maybe I should have said beloved idiot??? 03-wink
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(06-28-2011 04:31 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  Paul, that's bull****. And I'm calling you on it. It is going around the straight world. Sorry, as my former rep. said... "YOU LIE!"

I never said it's absent in the straight world.

Quote:C D C F A C T S H E E T

HIV and AIDS among
Gay and Bisexual Men

1
Gay and bisexual men — referred to in CDC surveillance systems as men who have sex with men (MSM) — of all
races continue to be the risk group most severely affected by HIV. Additionally, this is the only risk group in the U.S. in
which the annual number of new HIV infections is increasing. There is an urgent need to expand access to proven HIV
prevention interventions for gay and bisexual men, as well as to develop new approaches to fight HIV in this population.

A Snapshot

MSM account for nearly half of the more than one million people living with HIV in the U.S. (48%, or an estimated
532,000 total persons).

MSM account for more than half of all new HIV infections in the U.S. each year (53%, or an estimated 28,700 infections).

While CDC estimates that MSM account for just 4 percent of the U.S. male population aged 13 and older, the rate of
new HIV diagnoses among MSM in the U.S. is more than 44 times that of other men (range: 522–989 per 100,000
MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men).


MSM are the only risk group in the U.S. in which new HIV infections are increasing. While new infections have
declined among both heterosexuals and injection drug users, the annual number of new HIV infections among MSM
has been steadily increasing since the early 1990s.

According to the latest estimates, white MSM represent a greater number of new HIV infections than any
other population, followed closely by black MSM — who are one of the most disproportionately affected
subgroups in the U.S.
Charts at the link.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs...08COMP.pdf


Quote:HIV Risk Behaviors Among African American Men in Los Angeles County Who Self-Identify as Heterosexual

There are limited data on high-risk behaviors among heterosexual African American men with HIV infection. Risk behaviors were examined in a case-control study of HIV-infected (n = 90) and uninfected (n = 272) African American men who self-identified as heterosexual. Of men who self-identified as heterosexual, 31% (n = 28) of the infected men and 16% (n = 43) of the uninfected men reported having had anal sex with men. Among the heterosexual men reporting anal sex with men, 100% of the infected and 67% of the uninfected men reported inconsistent condom use during anal sex with men. Few of the infected (12%) and uninfected (2%) men reported oral sex with other men. Of the men who self-identified as heterosexual, 46% of those who were HIV-positive and 37% of those who were HIV-negative reported anal sex with women with infrequent condom use.
http://journals.lww.com/jaids/Abstract/2...in.13.aspx

Have you heard of a lesbian epidemic?

Straight men are not getting infected in large numbers from women. Men are passing it to women but they are mostly intravenous drug users or are having gay sex. But like I said, they didn't likely contract it from a woman. It's just not being spread through straight sex like it is through gay sex.
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(06-28-2011 02:51 PM)GRPunk Wrote:  ^And he won't. Unless Mr. torch Ph. D. can rely on semantics, he usually doesn't join the debate.

Aww, your feelings got hurt when I show your posts to be stupid.

Anyway, feel free to show me where I use semantics.
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(06-28-2011 02:42 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  I also like that Torch never has bother to answer me.

Answer what? WTF did you even ask?
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See, you are illiterate. I asked you to prove where I made a logical fallacy Mr. Semantics Spin-Master Can't-ever-give-a-straight-answer-and-only-dodges-questions Torch.
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(06-29-2011 08:42 AM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  See, you are illiterate. I asked you to prove where I made a logical fallacy Mr. Semantics Spin-Master Can't-ever-give-a-straight-answer-and-only-dodges-questions Torch.

Haha. Ok. Glad to see you haven't resorted to name calling after avoiding my question for so long.

Ok, your logical fallacies:

Quote:And to hear you guys talk we are legally the same.

Which you are. As has been posted many times, your legal rights, to marry and so forth, are equivalent to mine. That's about the same as you can get. I've frequently asked how they aren't equivalent, only to receive answers that don't hold up.

You don't choose to exercise your legal rights, but heck, you're legally entitled to do that as well. No criticism from me. But don't blame anyone else.

Quote:Oh, and upto a few years ago, as an HIV positive man, I would have had a major issue getting back into the US... let alone if I wanted to bring my partner into the US.

Equality? Sure.

Once again, do you think that anyone else w/ a highly contagious disease wouldn't have had major issues getting back into the US?

Furthermore, have you ever read history? This has been common in all of recorded history... highly contagious disease carriers are quarantined or exiled.

Is it right? You can debate this, but given govenment's role to protect its citizens, I think there is merit to it.

Nevertheless, you aren't treated differently than anyone else in those circumstances.

And that's where you perpetually err. You believe that you should be able to do exactly what you want, when you want, how you want...with no consequences. And the fact is NOBODY was ever granted those "rights". Not in the US anyway.

So your claims about lack of "equality" are based on fallacious arguments. They always have been. But that's been the way of the US since the baby-boom generation (although the seeds were planted in the Roaring 20s and the Populist Movement of the late 19th C). It's always been about the individual, and what he/she wants, and anything different isn't "fair".

Well that's not what "fair" means.

People's liberty is important to me. But "liberty" is not defined as "license to do anything w/o consequence." It's impossible to implement liberty that way. A complete logical impossibility.

And finally, with the women at the beginning. First, others have had signficant others deported. There was a case in our beloved W. Ohio a few years back, and they were married. So even if I agree w/ you that each citizen is entitled to bring in one foreign national as a spouse, the government currently doesn't see it that way! So this isn't about being lesbian, it's about immigration policy and enforcement.
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Glad to see you can FINALLY answer a question after avoiding mine for so long. I hate having to force someone into answering, it makes me feel like the Donald. haha. And I disagree with you, and I've stated that and my reasons.
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(06-29-2011 09:12 AM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  Glad to see you can FINALLY answer a question after avoiding mine for so long.

Next time try asking in English.

Quote: I hate having to force someone into answering, it makes me feel like the Donald. haha. And I disagree with you, and I've stated that and my reasons.

Yes, they're called "fallacies".
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Torch I counted at LEAST 4 TIMES where I SPECIFICALLY ASKED you to tell me how I was making fallacies. You didn't answer. Again, you are a semantics spin-master. Thanks! Try again sometime! :)
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(06-29-2011 08:38 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(06-28-2011 02:51 PM)GRPunk Wrote:  ^And he won't. Unless Mr. torch Ph. D. can rely on semantics, he usually doesn't join the debate.

Aww, your feelings got hurt when I show your posts to be stupid.

Anyway, feel free to show me where I use semantics.

I hate to break it to you, but your forum posts have little effect on my feelings.
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(06-29-2011 02:02 PM)GRPunk Wrote:  
(06-29-2011 08:38 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(06-28-2011 02:51 PM)GRPunk Wrote:  ^And he won't. Unless Mr. torch Ph. D. can rely on semantics, he usually doesn't join the debate.

Aww, your feelings got hurt when I show your posts to be stupid.

Anyway, feel free to show me where I use semantics.

I hate to break it to you, but your forum posts have little effect on my feelings.

If that were true, then you wouldn't bother to post.
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