(06-29-2011 08:42 AM)CountryRedHawk Wrote: See, you are illiterate. I asked you to prove where I made a logical fallacy Mr. Semantics Spin-Master Can't-ever-give-a-straight-answer-and-only-dodges-questions Torch.
Haha. Ok. Glad to see you haven't resorted to name calling after avoiding my question for so long.
Ok, your logical fallacies:
Quote:And to hear you guys talk we are legally the same.
Which you are. As has been posted many times, your legal rights, to marry and so forth, are
equivalent to mine. That's about the same as you can get. I've frequently asked how they aren't equivalent, only to receive answers that don't hold up.
You don't
choose to exercise your legal rights, but heck, you're legally entitled to do that as well. No criticism from me. But don't blame anyone else.
Quote:Oh, and upto a few years ago, as an HIV positive man, I would have had a major issue getting back into the US... let alone if I wanted to bring my partner into the US.
Equality? Sure.
Once again, do you think that anyone else w/ a highly contagious disease wouldn't have had major issues getting back into the US?
Furthermore, have you ever read history? This has been common in all of recorded history... highly contagious disease carriers are quarantined or exiled.
Is it right? You can debate this, but given govenment's role to protect its citizens, I think there is merit to it.
Nevertheless, you aren't treated differently than anyone else
in those circumstances.
And that's where you perpetually err. You believe that you should be able to do exactly what you want, when you want, how you want...with no consequences. And the fact is
NOBODY was ever granted those "rights". Not in the US anyway.
So your claims about lack of "equality" are based on fallacious arguments. They always have been. But that's been the way of the US since the baby-boom generation (although the seeds were planted in the Roaring 20s and the Populist Movement of the late 19th C). It's always been about the individual, and what he/she wants, and anything different isn't "fair".
Well that's not what "fair" means.
People's liberty is important to me. But "liberty" is not defined as "license to do anything w/o consequence." It's impossible to implement liberty that way. A complete logical impossibility.
And finally, with the women at the beginning. First, others have had signficant others deported. There was a case in our beloved W. Ohio a few years back, and they were married. So even if I agree w/ you that each citizen is entitled to bring in one foreign national as a spouse, the government currently doesn't see it that way! So this isn't about being lesbian, it's about immigration policy and enforcement.