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For some people, nothing is ever obvious enough.
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(06-25-2011 11:51 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  For some people, nothing is ever obvious enough.

Yep, you can never discount Roberts short comings.
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(06-25-2011 11:40 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Do they have to use the word "marry?" That's what straight people do. Call it something else for Christ's sake.

Yes, people who are married get special benefits. Which is the main reason they want to marry. If people got no benefits from being married then it wouldn't be that big of a deal.
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(06-25-2011 10:07 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  So much for religous rights.

Which of your rights has been diminished by this ruling?
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(06-25-2011 12:27 PM)Smaug Wrote:  
(06-25-2011 10:07 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  So much for religous rights.

Which of your rights has been diminished by this ruling?

The right to call marriage a thingy with a bride and a groom.
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(06-25-2011 08:33 AM)Smaug Wrote:  As a civil libertarian guy, I just want to be left alone. That means I want to be able to pick any consenting I want to marry, assuming I can convince them to marry me. Because of that, I'd better damn well be prepared to leave other people alone when they want to pick somebody.

+1. What harm does it really do? Believe me, it grosses me out beyond belief but it that doesn't cause me to stomp on anyone else's rights.
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(06-25-2011 12:47 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(06-25-2011 12:27 PM)Smaug Wrote:  
(06-25-2011 10:07 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  So much for religous rights.

Which of your rights has been diminished by this ruling?

The right to call marriage a thingy with a bride and a groom.

That's very much still your right. I think that's called freedom of speech.
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(06-25-2011 10:07 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(06-24-2011 11:06 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I have no problem with States rights....period.

So much for religous rights... it won't be long till the first Gay Agenda law suit goes after a church for not allowing gays to marry in their church. Gay Agenda lawsuits have already started to pop up in the other states allowing same sex marriages. This ain't about rights, heck if it weren't for my religious beliefs, I would prefer NOT to be married. For tax reasons and other gubment intrusions it's better NOT to be married.

I love that phrase "the gay agenda"

if it's not about rights, what is it about?

as for YOUR religious beliefs, how about other people's religious beliefs, or lack of them; why should yours take precedent over anyone else's

people like you are all for freedom of religion as long as you're the only one with that freedom
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Make me dictator for a year and this wouldn't be an issue. 05-stirthepot







Let's see how many conspiracy kooks come out of the woodwork on this one and start putting words in my mouth.
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(06-25-2011 01:24 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Make me dictator for a year and this wouldn't be an issue. 05-stirthepot







Let's see how many conspiracy kooks come out of the woodwork on this one and start putting words in my mouth.

You'd hang em all. JK
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(06-25-2011 01:30 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(06-25-2011 01:24 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Make me dictator for a year and this wouldn't be an issue. 05-stirthepot







Let's see how many conspiracy kooks come out of the woodwork on this one and start putting words in my mouth.

You'd hang em all. JK

I'd strip every marriage law off the books. It's not the government's responsibility nor is it their business. Those fools work for us, the people, the individual.
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(06-25-2011 12:47 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(06-25-2011 12:27 PM)Smaug Wrote:  
(06-25-2011 10:07 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  So much for religous rights.

Which of your rights has been diminished by this ruling?

The right to call marriage a thingy with a bride and a groom.

You can't still do that? Again how does it hurt your rights? You can still marry a woman, no one's stopping you from having a traditional marriage.
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(06-25-2011 12:25 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Yes, people who are married get special benefits. Which is the main reason they want to marry. If people got no benefits from being married then it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

(06-25-2011 01:51 PM)Rebel Wrote:  I'd strip every marriage law off the books. It's not the government's responsibility nor is it their business.

You beat me to it, Reb.

If they* HAVE to have legal "marriage", just call them all civil unions. Let the churches handle "marriage". That little re-wording will help many get over this.

My personal version/vision of a "fair tax" (haven't read the book) would do away with the tax incentives to marriage (those would come from having to buy 1/2 the stuff a lot of the time), all you'd need then was to work out the hospital visitation, inheritance, insurance benefits, etc. Some would be done away with, some relegated to a contractual agreement between consenting parties, some granted through your will, etc.

*-anyone, not just those with "teh gay"
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(06-25-2011 01:51 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(06-25-2011 01:30 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(06-25-2011 01:24 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Make me dictator for a year and this wouldn't be an issue. 05-stirthepot







Let's see how many conspiracy kooks come out of the woodwork on this one and start putting words in my mouth.

You'd hang em all. JK

I'd strip every marriage law off the books. It's not the government's responsibility nor is it their business. Those fools work for us, the people, the individual.

+1,000,000
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(06-25-2011 01:12 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  
(06-25-2011 10:07 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(06-24-2011 11:06 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I have no problem with States rights....period.

So much for religous rights... it won't be long till the first Gay Agenda law suit goes after a church for not allowing gays to marry in their church. Gay Agenda lawsuits have already started to pop up in the other states allowing same sex marriages. This ain't about rights, heck if it weren't for my religious beliefs, I would prefer NOT to be married. For tax reasons and other gubment intrusions it's better NOT to be married.

I love that phrase "the gay agenda"

if it's not about rights, what is it about?

as for YOUR religious beliefs, how about other people's religious beliefs, or lack of them; why should yours take precedent over anyone else's

people like you are all for freedom of religion as long as you're the only one with that freedom

It's about gays challenging rights of a Catholic Church to maintain an adoption service because that church only wants to give hetrosexual couples the opportunity to use their service in accordance with their values. Its about gays suing another church that refused to allow civil union services on their property. Funny Christians are called all kinds of names including hateful bigots for sharing their values. When homosexuals do this it's called progressive. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if there is no gay agenda, gays should push for civil unions NOT same sex marriage and stay away from a state definition of the religous institution of marriage.
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(06-25-2011 06:17 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  It's about gays challenging rights of a Catholic Church to maintain an adoption service because that church only wants to give hetrosexual couples the opportunity to use their service in accordance with their values. Its about gays suing another church that refused to allow civil union services on their property. Funny Christians are called all kinds of names including hateful bigots for sharing their values. When homosexuals do this it's called progressive. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if there is no gay agenda, gays should push for civil unions NOT same sex marriage and stay away from a state definition of the religous institution of marriage.

That's my only real concern with the gay marriage movement. If you want a recent example (2008), see the lawsuit against eHarmony. I'm also worried that there will be an attempt to suppress the First Amendment rights of those who disagree with gay marriage, in particular Christians, Mormons, Jews, and Muslims (the last group has a hard enough time in this country already).
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(06-25-2011 06:17 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(06-25-2011 01:12 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  
(06-25-2011 10:07 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(06-24-2011 11:06 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I have no problem with States rights....period.

So much for religous rights... it won't be long till the first Gay Agenda law suit goes after a church for not allowing gays to marry in their church. Gay Agenda lawsuits have already started to pop up in the other states allowing same sex marriages. This ain't about rights, heck if it weren't for my religious beliefs, I would prefer NOT to be married. For tax reasons and other gubment intrusions it's better NOT to be married.

I love that phrase "the gay agenda"

if it's not about rights, what is it about?

as for YOUR religious beliefs, how about other people's religious beliefs, or lack of them; why should yours take precedent over anyone else's

people like you are all for freedom of religion as long as you're the only one with that freedom

It's about gays challenging rights of a Catholic Church to maintain an adoption service because that church only wants to give hetrosexual couples the opportunity to use their service in accordance with their values. Its about gays suing another church that refused to allow civil union services on their property. Funny Christians are called all kinds of names including hateful bigots for sharing their values. When homosexuals do this it's called progressive. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if there is no gay agenda, gays should push for civil unions NOT same sex marriage and stay away from a state definition of the religous institution of marriage.

Are you one of the Catholics that believe that anyone who isn't a Catholic is going to hell? If you're not that is fine (if you are its fine too) but there are certainly those with that belief. So how is it not offensive to those people that Jews, Muslims, athiests, etc practice marriage in America? So long as any 2 consenting adults have the right to marry in the United States I don't see any reason why the govt would have any say in whether individual churches, synagogues, etc allow same sex marriages. So it really has no affect on the sanctity of Catholic marriages. It doesn't affect them at all.

As for the adoption thing, I get where you are coming from and I really don't know what to say about that. Personally I think its a little ridiculous for same sex couples to go through a Catholic adoption agency. Its hard to tell who is stepping on who's rights there.
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(06-25-2011 07:31 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  
(06-25-2011 06:17 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(06-25-2011 01:12 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  
(06-25-2011 10:07 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(06-24-2011 11:06 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I have no problem with States rights....period.

So much for religous rights... it won't be long till the first Gay Agenda law suit goes after a church for not allowing gays to marry in their church. Gay Agenda lawsuits have already started to pop up in the other states allowing same sex marriages. This ain't about rights, heck if it weren't for my religious beliefs, I would prefer NOT to be married. For tax reasons and other gubment intrusions it's better NOT to be married.

I love that phrase "the gay agenda"

if it's not about rights, what is it about?

as for YOUR religious beliefs, how about other people's religious beliefs, or lack of them; why should yours take precedent over anyone else's

people like you are all for freedom of religion as long as you're the only one with that freedom

It's about gays challenging rights of a Catholic Church to maintain an adoption service because that church only wants to give hetrosexual couples the opportunity to use their service in accordance with their values. Its about gays suing another church that refused to allow civil union services on their property. Funny Christians are called all kinds of names including hateful bigots for sharing their values. When homosexuals do this it's called progressive. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if there is no gay agenda, gays should push for civil unions NOT same sex marriage and stay away from a state definition of the religous institution of marriage.

Are you one of the Catholics that believe that anyone who isn't a Catholic is going to hell? If you're not that is fine (if you are its fine too) but there are certainly those with that belief. So how is it not offensive to those people that Jews, Muslims, athiests, etc practice marriage in America? So long as any 2 consenting adults have the right to marry in the United States I don't see any reason why the govt would have any say in whether individual churches, synagogues, etc allow same sex marriages. So it really has no affect on the sanctity of Catholic marriages. It doesn't affect them at all.

As for the adoption thing, I get where you are coming from and I really don't know what to say about that. Personally I think its a little ridiculous for same sex couples to go through a Catholic adoption agency. Its hard to tell who is stepping on who's rights there.

Not Catholic, but respect them and other religions and the individual right of religious institutions to define marriage since marriage has been around as a religious institution longer than organized government. Gubment should have no part in personal relationships, but if their is a need for legal status of personal relationships they should be called civil unions.
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That seems logical to me but there wouldn't be anything stopping a religion where same sex marriage is acceptable. I agree that the government has no business in peoples relationships but they aren't forcing anyone to get married. If people want to have a ceremony to get married but not involve the government they are certainly allowed to do that.
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(06-25-2011 06:17 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(06-25-2011 01:12 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  
(06-25-2011 10:07 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(06-24-2011 11:06 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I have no problem with States rights....period.

So much for religous rights... it won't be long till the first Gay Agenda law suit goes after a church for not allowing gays to marry in their church. Gay Agenda lawsuits have already started to pop up in the other states allowing same sex marriages. This ain't about rights, heck if it weren't for my religious beliefs, I would prefer NOT to be married. For tax reasons and other gubment intrusions it's better NOT to be married.

I love that phrase "the gay agenda"

if it's not about rights, what is it about?

as for YOUR religious beliefs, how about other people's religious beliefs, or lack of them; why should yours take precedent over anyone else's

people like you are all for freedom of religion as long as you're the only one with that freedom

It's about gays challenging rights of a Catholic Church to maintain an adoption service because that church only wants to give hetrosexual couples the opportunity to use their service in accordance with their values. Its about gays suing another church that refused to allow civil union services on their property. Funny Christians are called all kinds of names including hateful bigots for sharing their values. When homosexuals do this it's called progressive. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if there is no gay agenda, gays should push for civil unions NOT same sex marriage and stay away from a state definition of the religous institution of marriage.

if the Catholic Church is taking public funds, as it was in Illinois, to run their adoption agencies, then yes, they need to follow the law as put forth by the state

I have yet to hear of any child not being adopted since the church left the adoption business

there is no reason why any qualified person gay or straight should be denied the chance to adopt

also, gays and lesbians have sometimes adopted children that might have not be otherwise adopted

I remember a case in Florida where a gay couple was denied the right to adopt the children they had been fostering. Most if not all of the children had been born to women infected with HIV and I believe that the children also suffered from birth defects due to drug abuse by their mothers. No one stepped up to foster nor adopt these kids except for this gay couple. The state law as it stood barred gays and lesbians from adopting, but not fostering. I don't quite understand the rationale between allowing gays and lesbians to foster but not adopt. Anyway, the law was eventually overturned and these children were finally adopted by the only parents they had ever known.

I'm sure you know this but I'll say it anyway-civil unions do NOT provide all the same benefits of marriage. Once DOMA is overturned, then same-sex couples can enjoy ALL the same benefits that straight couples have due to that little piece of paper issued by the STATE and not the CHURCH.
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