(06-28-2011 06:42 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(06-27-2011 10:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-27-2011 09:35 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(06-27-2011 07:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-26-2011 07:06 PM)Geaux Cajuns Wrote:  See above.

Hey Zee, I guess they don't teach reading comprehension at North Texas.

Actually I believe MG61 was highlighting the fact that the Cajuns have never played in a "major bowl game" which was actually what I put in the original post. It's not that the games are no longer in operation, it's that they weren't a major bowl game.

Point in case, Middle Tennessee had played in four bowl games before our 2006 Motor City Bowl appearance, but that was our first bowl game, because the previous four were not "major bowl games", one of the games we played in is actually still in operation, we played in the Tangerine bowl twice, which is now the Capital One Bowl, but at the time we were in the NCAA college division(small college).

ULL's previous bowl games were when they were playing at the junior college level and at the NCAA college division(small college) level. That's why ULL has never played in a bowl game and if you were to make one it would be advertised as your first bowl game, just like our 2006 Motor City Bowl was.

And thats what Geaux stated when he made his post. Thanks for your interest in UL's Ragin Cajuns.

Actually that's not what Geaux stated, but whatever...you're welcome.

Actually, it is....and you're welcome back.

Z

All Geuax said was that you've made bowl appearances before, but the bowls are no longer in operation.

He made no mention of the bowls not being "major bowls" he also made no mention of them being played when you were at the junior college and small college level.

What he said implies that the Cajuns have played in a major bowl game before, just one that's been shut down, like the Silicon Valley Bowl that Troy made their first major bowl appearance in.

(06-28-2011 10:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-28-2011 06:42 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(06-27-2011 10:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-27-2011 09:35 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(06-27-2011 07:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Actually I believe MG61 was highlighting the fact that the Cajuns have never played in a "major bowl game" which was actually what I put in the original post. It's not that the games are no longer in operation, it's that they weren't a major bowl game.

Point in case, Middle Tennessee had played in four bowl games before our 2006 Motor City Bowl appearance, but that was our first bowl game, because the previous four were not "major bowl games", one of the games we played in is actually still in operation, we played in the Tangerine bowl twice, which is now the Capital One Bowl, but at the time we were in the NCAA college division(small college).

ULL's previous bowl games were when they were playing at the junior college level and at the NCAA college division(small college) level. That's why ULL has never played in a bowl game and if you were to make one it would be advertised as your first bowl game, just like our 2006 Motor City Bowl was.

And thats what Geaux stated when he made his post. Thanks for your interest in UL's Ragin Cajuns.

Actually that's not what Geaux stated, but whatever...you're welcome.

Actually, it is....and you're welcome back.

Z

All Geuax said was that you've made bowl appearances before, but the bowls are no longer in operation.

He made no mention of the bowls not being "major bowls" he also made no mention of them being played when you were at the junior college and small college level.

What he said implies that the Cajuns have played in a major bowl game before, just one that's been shut down, like the Silicon Valley Bowl that Troy made their first major bowl appearance in.

Creative posting ?

(06-28-2011 10:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-28-2011 06:42 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(06-27-2011 10:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-27-2011 09:35 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(06-27-2011 07:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Actually I believe MG61 was highlighting the fact that the Cajuns have never played in a "major bowl game" which was actually what I put in the original post. It's not that the games are no longer in operation, it's that they weren't a major bowl game.

Point in case, Middle Tennessee had played in four bowl games before our 2006 Motor City Bowl appearance, but that was our first bowl game, because the previous four were not "major bowl games", one of the games we played in is actually still in operation, we played in the Tangerine bowl twice, which is now the Capital One Bowl, but at the time we were in the NCAA college division(small college).

ULL's previous bowl games were when they were playing at the junior college level and at the NCAA college division(small college) level. That's why ULL has never played in a bowl game and if you were to make one it would be advertised as your first bowl game, just like our 2006 Motor City Bowl was.

And thats what Geaux stated when he made his post. Thanks for your interest in UL's Ragin Cajuns.

Actually that's not what Geaux stated, but whatever...you're welcome.

Actually, it is....and you're welcome back.

Z

All Geuax said was that you've made bowl appearances before, but the bowls are no longer in operation.

He made no mention of the bowls not being "major bowls" he also made no mention of them being played when you were at the junior college and small college level.

What he said implies that the Cajuns have played in a major bowl game before, just one that's been shut down, like the Silicon Valley Bowl that Troy made their first major bowl appearance in.

The Gulf Coast Conference was a member of the small college classification, not junior college classification. Neither Bowl was for junior college classification.

While I understand that the classifications have long been changed, could you please point to me what major bowls the SBC is affiliated with in the current FBS classification? Be careful as to what you label major bowl, most college football fans and reporters do not consider any bowl that the SBC is associated with now as major. Just saying...

(06-28-2011 11:06 AM)CajunT Wrote:  

(06-28-2011 10:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-28-2011 06:42 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(06-27-2011 10:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-27-2011 09:35 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  And thats what Geaux stated when he made his post. Thanks for your interest in UL's Ragin Cajuns.

Actually that's not what Geaux stated, but whatever...you're welcome.

Actually, it is....and you're welcome back.

Z

All Geuax said was that you've made bowl appearances before, but the bowls are no longer in operation.

He made no mention of the bowls not being "major bowls" he also made no mention of them being played when you were at the junior college and small college level.

What he said implies that the Cajuns have played in a major bowl game before, just one that's been shut down, like the Silicon Valley Bowl that Troy made their first major bowl appearance in.

The Gulf Coast Conference was a member of the small college classification, not junior college classification. Neither Bowl was for junior college classification.

While I understand that the classifications have long been changed, could you please point to me what major bowls the SBC is affiliated with in the current FBS classification? Be careful as to what you label major bowl, most college football fans and reporters do not consider any bowl that the SBC is associated with now as major. Just saying...

For starters, you were in the Louisiana Intercollegiate Conference and a member of the NJCAA when you played in the Oil Bowl in 1944.

Now in regards to what is and isn't a "major bowl" you're right, most don't consider our bowls to a "major" bowl, but we're talking about two different things here. Most consider the bowls we're involved in lower tier bowls, but they're still a part of the "major bowls" as far as classification is concerned. All FBS bowls in operation now are "major bowls" some are perceived differently than others, but they're all "major bowls". Bowl games played by small college and/or junior college levels before the creation of DIA/FBS are not considered "major bowls'', which again, is why while Middle Tennessee played in the Tangerine Bowl twice in the 60's and the same bowl is currently being operating as the Capital One bowl, it was not a major bowl at the time, which is why our 2006 Motor City Bowl was our "first bowl appearance" and our win in New Orleans in 2009 was our "first bowl win" despite going 2-2 in the four bowls we played in from 1956 to 1964.

A decent barometer for major vs minor/college bowls is the College Football Data Warehouse. According to this site, three Belt teams have NEVER participated in a major college level bowl game; ULM, ULL and WKU.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/index.php

(06-28-2011 11:31 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-28-2011 11:06 AM)CajunT Wrote:  

(06-28-2011 10:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-28-2011 06:42 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(06-27-2011 10:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Actually that's not what Geaux stated, but whatever...you're welcome.

Actually, it is....and you're welcome back.

Z

All Geuax said was that you've made bowl appearances before, but the bowls are no longer in operation.

He made no mention of the bowls not being "major bowls" he also made no mention of them being played when you were at the junior college and small college level.

What he said implies that the Cajuns have played in a major bowl game before, just one that's been shut down, like the Silicon Valley Bowl that Troy made their first major bowl appearance in.

The Gulf Coast Conference was a member of the small college classification, not junior college classification. Neither Bowl was for junior college classification.

While I understand that the classifications have long been changed, could you please point to me what major bowls the SBC is affiliated with in the current FBS classification? Be careful as to what you label major bowl, most college football fans and reporters do not consider any bowl that the SBC is associated with now as major. Just saying...

For starters, you were in the Louisiana Intercollegiate Conference and a member of the NJCAA when you played in the Oil Bowl in 1944.

Now in regards to what is and isn't a "major bowl" you're right, most don't consider our bowls to a "major" bowl, but we're talking about two different things here. Most consider the bowls we're involved in lower tier bowls, but they're still a part of the "major bowls" as far as classification is concerned. All FBS bowls in operation now are "major bowls" some are perceived differently than others, but they're all "major bowls". Bowl games played by small college and/or junior college levels before the creation of DIA/FBS are not considered "major bowls'', which again, is why while Middle Tennessee played in the Tangerine Bowl twice in the 60's and the same bowl is currently being operating as the Capital One bowl, it was not a major bowl at the time, which is why our 2006 Motor City Bowl was our "first bowl appearance" and our win in New Orleans in 2009 was our "first bowl win" despite going 2-2 in the four bowls we played in from 1956 to 1964.

"For starters, you were in the Louisiana Intercollegiate Conference and a member of the NJCAA when you played in the Oil Bowl in 1944."

This is correct, but we were not in the Louisiana Intercollgeiate Conference when we played Tenn. State in 1970, we were in the Gulf South Conference, which was in the small college classification. You did not seperate the two bowls which is incorrect!


Again, I understood you post, but you are factually incorrect as well. You lumped us in the same classification in both years, 1944 and 1970. We were not in the junior college classification in 1970. That would be incorrect sir. Thanks


BTW, I view minor bowls and national championships at lower levels in the same manner, both are insignificant today!

(06-28-2011 12:16 PM)MG61 Wrote:  A decent barometer for major vs minor/college bowls is the College Football Data Warehouse. According to this site, three Belt teams have NEVER participated in a major college level bowl game; ULM, ULL and WKU.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/index.php

Hey gumby, no one said they were major bowls. They are as insignificant as championships at a lower level today!

(06-28-2011 12:42 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(06-28-2011 12:16 PM)MG61 Wrote:  A decent barometer for major vs minor/college bowls is the College Football Data Warehouse. According to this site, three Belt teams have NEVER participated in a major college level bowl game; ULM, ULL and WKU.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/index.php

Hey gumby, no one said they were major bowls. They are as insignificant as championships at a lower level today!

Well goober, ya'll have a nice day :dance:

Actually T, if you reference post #41(the very same post you quoted in post #43) you'll notice in the second paragraph that I said your previous bowls were at the junior college and small college levels. Granted I did not specify that in 1944 you played at the junior college level and in 1970 you played at the small college level, I did make reference to two different classifications and given the fact that the two games were separated by over twenty five years, I didn't think I needed to spell out which one was played at which level.

(06-28-2011 12:51 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Actually T, if you reference post #41(the very same post you quoted in post #43) you'll notice in the second paragraph that I said your previous bowls were at the junior college and small college levels. Granted I did not specify that in 1944 you played at the junior college level and in 1970 you played at the small college level, I did make reference to two different classifications and given the fact that the two games were separated by over twenty five years, I didn't think I needed to spell out which one was played at which level.

Perhaps you should have since yourself and most people on this board were not around then, and wouldn't know there was a difference between the two classifications.

(06-28-2011 12:47 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(06-28-2011 12:42 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(06-28-2011 12:16 PM)MG61 Wrote:  A decent barometer for major vs minor/college bowls is the College Football Data Warehouse. According to this site, three Belt teams have NEVER participated in a major college level bowl game; ULM, ULL and WKU.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/index.php

Hey gumby, no one said they were major bowls. They are as insignificant as championships at a lower level today!

Well goober, ya'll have a nice day :dance:

THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST IN "THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA"!

SOT1977 Wrote:There have been stories in national sports media about what happened at Army and the conclusions drawn were that NOBODY would have been successful at the time Berry was there.

Really? I'm interested in these studies. It seems to me that Paul Johnson would have been able to have some success -- remember, when TB was hired at Army, PJ was still at Georgia Southern.

As for ignoring the turnaround at Illinois St, was there really a turnaround? He was .500 in four years there. Two years after he departed, the Redbirds went 2-9. Seems like he built for short-term success and got out while the getting was good. Overall, since he left, they're sub-.500 overall.

(06-28-2011 03:05 PM)BeatNavy Wrote:  

SOT1977 Wrote:There have been stories in national sports media about what happened at Army and the conclusions drawn were that NOBODY would have been successful at the time Berry was there.

Really? I'm interested in these studies. It seems to me that Paul Johnson would have been able to have some success -- remember, when TB was hired at Army, PJ was still at Georgia Southern.

As for ignoring the turnaround at Illinois St, was there really a turnaround? He was .500 in four years there. Two years after he departed, the Redbirds went 2-9. Seems like he built for short-term success and got out while the getting was good. Overall, since he left, they're sub-.500 overall.

The same questions crossed my mind. Using 9/11 as an excuse for Berry's losing record is the most redicules rational yet offered by the chickhawk fan base. It certainly didn't hurt Paul Johnson at Navy or Fisher DeBerry at Air Force. Now I've seen it all.

(06-28-2011 03:05 PM)BeatNavy Wrote:  

SOT1977 Wrote:There have been stories in national sports media about what happened at Army and the conclusions drawn were that NOBODY would have been successful at the time Berry was there.

Really? I'm interested in these studies. It seems to me that Paul Johnson would have been able to have some success -- remember, when TB was hired at Army, PJ was still at Georgia Southern.

As for ignoring the turnaround at Illinois St, was there really a turnaround? He was .500 in four years there. Two years after he departed, the Redbirds went 2-9. Seems like he built for short-term success and got out while the getting was good. Overall, since he left, they're sub-.500 overall.

Thanks for busting that weak myth the ULM fans were spreading. They didn't get the coach they wanted and they've been lying to themselves ever since.

Can you please educate them, and us, as to what lies ahead in years 2 and 3 for a Todd Berry coached team?

(06-28-2011 04:18 PM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(06-28-2011 03:05 PM)BeatNavy Wrote:  

SOT1977 Wrote:There have been stories in national sports media about what happened at Army and the conclusions drawn were that NOBODY would have been successful at the time Berry was there.

Really? I'm interested in these studies. It seems to me that Paul Johnson would have been able to have some success -- remember, when TB was hired at Army, PJ was still at Georgia Southern.

As for ignoring the turnaround at Illinois St, was there really a turnaround? He was .500 in four years there. Two years after he departed, the Redbirds went 2-9. Seems like he built for short-term success and got out while the getting was good. Overall, since he left, they're sub-.500 overall.

Thanks for busting that weak myth the ULM fans were spreading. They didn't get the coach they wanted and they've been lying to themselves ever since.

Can you please educate them, and us, as to what lies ahead in years 2 and 3 for a Todd Berry coached team?

I don't have numbers, but I believe that at least some of his Ill St success can be attributed to juco and or transfers from FBS. Obviously he couldn't do that at Army. He did recruit well, but our players didn't seem to develop a whole lot during their time under TB & his staff.

So, if he's got a staff that is better at developing players, I think he can actually succeed. And if he is able/allowed to bring in some juco guys, that will help as well.

I hope he has gotten better at raising his hand and saying "my fault" when the team doesn't do well.