That salute was slightly different than the roman and Nazi salutes. Every so slightly. Your hand was to point to the flag, so the angle varied. Nazi or Hitler salutes were with the arm raised to eye level. The roman salute was straight out.

Don't ask why I know all that and more about it....

(06-21-2011 08:58 AM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  That salute was slightly different than the roman and Nazi salutes. Every so slightly. Your hand was to point to the flag, so the angle varied. Nazi or Hitler salutes were with the arm raised to eye level. The roman salute was straight out.

Don't ask why I know all that and more about it....

All I know is the pictures are creepy as hell.

The girl scouts used it up until 1935, I believe. And some Zionist nationalists groups used it as well.

(06-21-2011 08:40 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 11:04 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 08:53 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Mountian made of a molehill. This thread is total fail.

Why is it that Fo fizzle gets to declare a whole thread failed. Not the first time. Getting old. If you have nothing else to say, why present us with the fo fizzle drivel. We are adult enough to just QUIT f'cking posting, when we are done. Not you. Frankly, we don't want to hear it anyway. Its Like I give up I'm taking my Fo fizzle ball home. Spare us. You have nothing new to add, just STFU.

I get to declare...simple as that...You don't like it?...There is an ignore function that will allow you to not have to be bothered...I suggest you use it...tough guy.

You know, Just pointing out the real failure.

(06-21-2011 12:24 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Under God wasn't even added to the pledge until '54. Yawn.

And?

(06-21-2011 09:52 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-21-2011 12:24 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Under God wasn't even added to the pledge until '54. Yawn.

And?

Hawaii became a state in 1959.

(06-20-2011 07:32 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 02:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The whole thing is a bit ridiculous. It's a frickin' golf tournament with 72 of the 155 entrants from other countries. Hardly some national treasure deserving of military images and flag waving anyway.

It's was called the US Open, not the International Association of Friggin Liberals Open. I guess flying Old Glory would be out of the question in your view.

Yeah! I say burn all the flags right ******* now!

Ya know...you are really pretty clueless sometimes.

Again, IT'S A ******* GOLF TOURNAMENT!

(06-21-2011 10:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 07:32 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 02:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The whole thing is a bit ridiculous. It's a frickin' golf tournament with 72 of the 155 entrants from other countries. Hardly some national treasure deserving of military images and flag waving anyway.

It's was called the US Open, not the International Association of Friggin Liberals Open. I guess flying Old Glory would be out of the question in your view.

Yeah! I say burn all the flags right ******* now!

Ya know...you are really pretty clueless sometimes.

Again, IT'S A ******* GOLF TOURNAMENT!

For something this ridiculous, you sure seem a bit worked up about it. But that's the libtard way, to divert attention from the real issues.

Yep...once again you read me like a book!

Sorry, I don't much appreciate someone who doesn't even know me questioning my patriotism because of a post about a meaningless golf tournament played by a bunch of rich people that he totally misunderstood.

And again...real issues? It's a ******* golf tournament broadcast by a corporation. Who the **** cares how they choose to present it?

(06-21-2011 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yep...once again you read me like a book!

Sorry, I don't much appreciate someone who doesn't even know me questioning my patriotism because of a post about a meaningless golf tournament played by a bunch of rich people that he totally misunderstood.

You are from MI, for Christ's sake.

(06-21-2011 09:45 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-21-2011 08:40 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 11:04 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 08:53 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Mountian made of a molehill. This thread is total fail.

Why is it that Fo fizzle gets to declare a whole thread failed. Not the first time. Getting old. If you have nothing else to say, why present us with the fo fizzle drivel. We are adult enough to just QUIT f'cking posting, when we are done. Not you. Frankly, we don't want to hear it anyway. Its Like I give up I'm taking my Fo fizzle ball home. Spare us. You have nothing new to add, just STFU.

I get to declare...simple as that...You don't like it?...There is an ignore function that will allow you to not have to be bothered...I suggest you use it...tough guy.

You know, Just pointing out the real failure.

(06-21-2011 10:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 07:32 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 02:05 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The whole thing is a bit ridiculous. It's a frickin' golf tournament with 72 of the 155 entrants from other countries. Hardly some national treasure deserving of military images and flag waving anyway.

It's was called the US Open, not the International Association of Friggin Liberals Open. I guess flying Old Glory would be out of the question in your view.

Yeah! I say burn all the flags right ******* now!

Ya know...you are really pretty clueless sometimes.

Again, IT'S A ******* GOLF TOURNAMENT!

It's not the tournament, it's the Pledge. Does it really matter where someone screws it up?

I pledge allegiance to me, myself and I.

(06-21-2011 10:30 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-21-2011 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yep...once again you read me like a book!

Sorry, I don't much appreciate someone who doesn't even know me questioning my patriotism because of a post about a meaningless golf tournament played by a bunch of rich people that he totally misunderstood.

You are from MI, for Christ's sake.

Wrong again. I am from Ohio. I work in Michigan. Although I will be moving to Michigan in July.

(06-21-2011 01:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-21-2011 10:30 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-21-2011 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yep...once again you read me like a book!

Sorry, I don't much appreciate someone who doesn't even know me questioning my patriotism because of a post about a meaningless golf tournament played by a bunch of rich people that he totally misunderstood.

You are from MI, for Christ's sake.

Wrong again. I am from Ohio. I work in Michigan. Although I will be moving to Michigan in July.

Quit your whining. Wimp.

Allegiance requires an obligation from the one you choose to align with. In this case that would be protection. The government has no obligation to protect you and can not be held accountable for that failure. If so...one could seek damages in court if you are harmed. You can't. The government has sovereign immunity.

I personally have no real problem with the Pledge. I participate in it when I needed...but...I have no real allegiance with any entity other than my family unit. The pledge is simply "feel good" government indoctrination. It holds not real value otherwise. My advise to those that are ardent supporters or ardent detractors of the pledge is the same...F'ng relax already.

(06-21-2011 05:28 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  The government has no obligation to protect you and can not be held accountable for that failure.

The gov't is required to give you equal protection under the law. If it doesn't, and you can prove it, you are entitled to compensation. Now, you want to put down the crack pipe and step away from the keyboard.

(06-21-2011 06:23 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-21-2011 05:28 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  The government has no obligation to protect you and can not be held accountable for that failure.

The gov't is required to give you equal protection under the law. If it doesn't, and you can prove it, you are entitled to compensation. Now, you want to put down the crack pipe and step away from the keyboard.

Equally zero protection. It is under no obligation to protect me. Keep on preaching the party line comrade.

The SCOTUS has upheld more than once that the police and government is not obligated to protect us....Deshaney v. Winnegago Cty.Soc.Serv.Dept and Pinder vs. Johnson are just 2 examples of this. So there..tough guy.

(06-21-2011 07:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-21-2011 06:23 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-21-2011 05:28 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  The government has no obligation to protect you and can not be held accountable for that failure.

The gov't is required to give you equal protection under the law. If it doesn't, and you can prove it, you are entitled to compensation. Now, you want to put down the crack pipe and step away from the keyboard.

Equally zero protection. It is under no obligation to protect me. Keep on preaching the party line comrade.

The SCOTUS has upheld more than once that the police and government is not obligated to protect us....Deshaney v. Winnegago Cty.Soc.Serv.Dept and Pinder vs. Johnson are just 2 examples of this. So there..tough guy.

So you are saying that you would prefer the police act pre-eminently to protect people? Yes? comrade.

(06-21-2011 09:55 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-21-2011 07:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-21-2011 06:23 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-21-2011 05:28 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  The government has no obligation to protect you and can not be held accountable for that failure.

The gov't is required to give you equal protection under the law. If it doesn't, and you can prove it, you are entitled to compensation. Now, you want to put down the crack pipe and step away from the keyboard.

Equally zero protection. It is under no obligation to protect me. Keep on preaching the party line comrade.

The SCOTUS has upheld more than once that the police and government is not obligated to protect us....Deshaney v. Winnegago Cty.Soc.Serv.Dept and Pinder vs. Johnson are just 2 examples of this. So there..tough guy.

So you are saying that you would prefer the police act pre-eminently to protect people? Yes? comrade.

And back we go to the topic...There is a expectation of protection if one pledges their allegiance. That is simply not true in the US....The SCOTUS says so. Argue with them...not me.

I still have no problem with the pledge anyway. It is not a big deal to me.