(06-19-2011 03:39 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  Fo, you just wanna the property value boost that comes with gays moving in. Lol.

Happened in the VA Highlands and Midtown (Atlanta).

I just don't get the "in your face" gay pride parades. I think they do a disservice to the entire community. Then again, I'm an individualist and don't care for too many marches based on a collective.

They are fun, but I like all parades. I enjoy Pride. But, I think everything has its place. And if you don't enjoy it, or like, don't go near it. I'm more of an integration and assimilation guy. Take the world from behind, as it were.

Archbishop Timothy Dolan has been a strong advocate for the institution of marriage during this current liberal assault. Catholics have people working the phones throughout the state to persuade state Senators to side with marriage or face the consequences during the next election cycle. Hopefully it all pays off in the end. Below is the Archbishop's fathers day statement on defending marriage.

Quote:Along with so many other people of faith – and of no particular religion at all – we Catholic pastors and citizens persevere, on this Father’s Day, in our prayers and efforts to defend the timeless definition of marriage as the loving, faithful union between one man and one woman leading to a family.

At the conclusion of tomorrow’s 10:15 Sunday Mass at Saint Patrick’s Cathedral, I’ll ask for prayers that this noble endeavor, at the heart of nature’s understanding of the common good, and historically protected by our country’s normative principles, will succeed.

We appreciate and encourage the legitimate concern of some of our thoughtful elected officials to make sure religious freedom is always guaranteed, but still in principle will oppose any radical bill to redefine the very essence of marriage.

While one searches the Constitution in vain to find any “right” of two people of the same sex to marry, one immediately locates the right of people of faith not to have intrusive government interfere with the free exercise of religion as the first of the Bill of Rights.

One has to wonder why the proponents of this radical re-definition, who claim overwhelming popular support, would not consider, for example, a referendum to determine the people’s will on such a drastic departure from traditional values?

Please let me once again resist the caricature that we are “anti-gay.” Our strong convictions are not anti anybody, but simply pro marriage. We would just as vigorously defend marriage from a demand by a heterosexual, or anybody else, to redefine the very nature of marriage to accommodate a relationship beyond that of one man and one woman.

We celebrate Father’s Day. The sacred word “father” implies “mother.” The terms “father and mother” presume “husband and wife,” and imply “children.”

These words are so basic that they’re the first ones a baby says; so foundational that they’re among the first words of the Creator recorded in the Bible.

Government presumes to redefine these sacred words at the peril of the common good.

Funny, from what I've been told, they need one more vote to pass the bill.... And it's increasingly likely they'll get it.

(06-19-2011 03:39 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  Fo, you just wanna the property value boost that comes with gays moving in. Lol.

+1

(06-19-2011 05:21 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  They are fun, but I like all parades. I enjoy Pride. But, I think everything has its place. And if you don't enjoy it, or like, don't go near it. I'm more of an integration and assimilation guy. Take the world from behind, as it were.

Damn...I really don't know how to respond to that last sentence.

(06-19-2011 03:39 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  Fo, you just wanna the property value boost that comes with gays moving in. Lol.

So, gays moving into the neighborhood will raise my taxes? Another reason to hate 'em.

(06-19-2011 05:21 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  They are fun, but I like all parades. I enjoy Pride. But, I think everything has its place. And if you don't enjoy it, or like, don't go near it. I'm more of an integration and assimilation guy. Take the world from behind, as it were.

When I said "community" I didn't mean community as a whole. I meant the gay community. Every gay person I know just wants to be treated equal. These parades, no matter the good intentions behind them, almost always degrade into the most f'd up stuff you can see in any downtown setting. For a group that only wants to be treated equally, it sure seems like they want to be treated as anything but equal. ...and I know this isn't the case. Your cause, IMO, has been taken over by radicals. I don't think this is how all gay people act, because I have gay friends, but the only thing many people know of gay people is what they see in these parades and, again IMO, it's why this issue is still stuck in limbo.

In essence, ChickenHalk knows no more than gays make good landscapers, and Fo knows dead people. They want you to quote from the Bible, and laugh at you when you do. Making good progress here.

(06-20-2011 05:35 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  In essence, ChickenHalk knows no more than gays make good landscapers, and Fo knows dead people. They want you to quote from the Bible, and laugh at you when you do. Making good progress here.

If quoting John 3:16...which might be the most quoted and widely known scripture in the bible..makes those that want to use other scriptures to bash gays of faith uncomfortable?...then so be it. It is THEIR cross to bear..not mine.

(06-20-2011 05:46 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 05:35 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  In essence, ChickenHalk knows no more than gays make good landscapers, and Fo knows dead people. They want you to quote from the Bible, and laugh at you when you do. Making good progress here.

If quoting John 3:16...which might be the most quoted and widely known scripture in the bible..makes those that want to use other scriptures to bash gays of faith uncomfortable?...then so be it. It is THEIR cross to bear..not mine.

Jude 1:5-9, from THE NEW TESTAMENT, verse 7 leaves no doubt. No one is bashing gays, but don't try to say The Bible doesn't say homosexuality is a sin New Testament and Old, it is consistent in that message. Jesus taught compassion for sinners, not for sin.

(06-20-2011 06:01 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 05:46 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 05:35 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  In essence, ChickenHalk knows no more than gays make good landscapers, and Fo knows dead people. They want you to quote from the Bible, and laugh at you when you do. Making good progress here.

If quoting John 3:16...which might be the most quoted and widely known scripture in the bible..makes those that want to use other scriptures to bash gays of faith uncomfortable?...then so be it. It is THEIR cross to bear..not mine.

Jude 1:5-9, from THE NEW TESTAMENT, verse 7 leaves no doubt. No one is bashing gays, but don't try to say The Bible doesn't say homosexuality is a sin New Testament and Old, it is consistent in that message. Jesus taught compassion for sinners, not for sin.

John 3:16 leaves no doubt that only believing matters. That is enough for me.

(06-20-2011 06:09 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 06:01 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 05:46 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 05:35 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  In essence, ChickenHalk knows no more than gays make good landscapers, and Fo knows dead people. They want you to quote from the Bible, and laugh at you when you do. Making good progress here.

If quoting John 3:16...which might be the most quoted and widely known scripture in the bible..makes those that want to use other scriptures to bash gays of faith uncomfortable?...then so be it. It is THEIR cross to bear..not mine.

Jude 1:5-9, from THE NEW TESTAMENT, verse 7 leaves no doubt. No one is bashing gays, but don't try to say The Bible doesn't say homosexuality is a sin New Testament and Old, it is consistent in that message. Jesus taught compassion for sinners, not for sin.

John 3:16 leaves no doubt that only believing matters. That is enough for me.

He's the fire and brimstone kind. Also, I might have missed it, but herd did you say you agree with polygamy, stonings, slavery and women not being allowed to work, or own land?

(06-20-2011 05:46 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 05:35 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  In essence, ChickenHalk knows no more than gays make good landscapers, and Fo knows dead people. They want you to quote from the Bible, and laugh at you when you do. Making good progress here.

If quoting John 3:16...which might be the most quoted and widely known scripture in the bible..makes those that want to use other scriptures to bash gays of faith uncomfortable?...then so be it. It is THEIR cross to bear..not mine.

How just does John 3:16 address homosexuality? Does it hold true to pedophiles? Thieves?

John 3:16 is a beautiful promise for those who love the law, strive to follow the law but will fall short because we are all flawed. It is not a "get out of hell free pass" for unrepentant sinners.

(06-20-2011 06:09 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 06:01 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 05:46 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 05:35 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  In essence, ChickenHalk knows no more than gays make good landscapers, and Fo knows dead people. They want you to quote from the Bible, and laugh at you when you do. Making good progress here.

If quoting John 3:16...which might be the most quoted and widely known scripture in the bible..makes those that want to use other scriptures to bash gays of faith uncomfortable?...then so be it. It is THEIR cross to bear..not mine.

Jude 1:5-9, from THE NEW TESTAMENT, verse 7 leaves no doubt. No one is bashing gays, but don't try to say The Bible doesn't say homosexuality is a sin New Testament and Old, it is consistent in that message. Jesus taught compassion for sinners, not for sin.

John 3:16 leaves no doubt that only believing matters. That is enough for me.

Satan believes Christ is real and the son of God..

(06-20-2011 06:20 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 06:09 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 06:01 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 05:46 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 05:35 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  In essence, ChickenHalk knows no more than gays make good landscapers, and Fo knows dead people. They want you to quote from the Bible, and laugh at you when you do. Making good progress here.

If quoting John 3:16...which might be the most quoted and widely known scripture in the bible..makes those that want to use other scriptures to bash gays of faith uncomfortable?...then so be it. It is THEIR cross to bear..not mine.

Jude 1:5-9, from THE NEW TESTAMENT, verse 7 leaves no doubt. No one is bashing gays, but don't try to say The Bible doesn't say homosexuality is a sin New Testament and Old, it is consistent in that message. Jesus taught compassion for sinners, not for sin.

John 3:16 leaves no doubt that only believing matters. That is enough for me.

He's the fire and brimstone kind. Also, I might have missed it, but herd did you say you agree with polygamy, stonings, slavery and women not being allowed to work, or own land?

Not at all a fire and brimstone kind of person, unless you want to "BASH" me because I don't agree with your loose interpretation of The Bible. I'm just one who understands the context of The Bible and what is taught as sin. Can you disprove Jude 1:7 from THE NEW TESTAMENT? BTW same justification for homosexuality not being a sin can be used for polygamy not being sin.

But to my main point the gubment should NOT be in the business of defining the RELIGIOUS institution of marriage. Civil Unions should be the norm from the legal recognition of the Federal Gubment and the definition of civil unions left to the states. If the gubment defines marriage it's a short reach to tell Churches who must be allowed to get married in the Church. See I'm not a bad guy since I don't take exception to the gubment giving gay couples the same status as hetrosexual couples, just stay away from calling it Marriage.

(06-20-2011 06:56 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 06:09 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 06:01 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 05:46 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-20-2011 05:35 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  In essence, ChickenHalk knows no more than gays make good landscapers, and Fo knows dead people. They want you to quote from the Bible, and laugh at you when you do. Making good progress here.

If quoting John 3:16...which might be the most quoted and widely known scripture in the bible..makes those that want to use other scriptures to bash gays of faith uncomfortable?...then so be it. It is THEIR cross to bear..not mine.

Jude 1:5-9, from THE NEW TESTAMENT, verse 7 leaves no doubt. No one is bashing gays, but don't try to say The Bible doesn't say homosexuality is a sin New Testament and Old, it is consistent in that message. Jesus taught compassion for sinners, not for sin.

John 3:16 leaves no doubt that only believing matters. That is enough for me.

Satan believes Christ is real and the son of God..

So what? Satan is perfectly welcome in the kingdom of heaven and can be forgiven like anyone else. Otherwise...the dogma implodes upon itself.

Oh god, at least we agree Herd. I have no problem not calling it marriage. As long as the gov't doesn't define marriage for anyone I'm good. Leave it to at the churches. If my church is willing to marry me, then ok. If not, I'm not the suing kind.

I don't bash. Ever. I don't condone violence in that context. Look up Sea. Kennedy. I knew him. If you truly believe what the Bible says, his murder, while tragic, was justified by his assailant. Based on nothing more than a few words, and his genetic disposition. Neither of which he could help. I've been on the receiving end of someone's misguided religious fury at me for something as natural as my skin colour. The most telling part, the guy who accosted me, waits till I turned my back and was leaving to strike me. How very Christian.

Bull, I respect you for your faith and convictions, you know that. So, would you accept a civil union for all premise? What about adoption? Am I able to be a foster parent and adopt kids? How about my partner(if I ever find him!)? Can we be recognized as a safe and loving family like yours in the eyes of man's law?

(06-20-2011 08:15 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  Oh god, at least we agree Herd. I have no problem not calling it marriage. As long as the gov't doesn't define marriage for anyone I'm good. Leave it to at the churches. If my church is willing to marry me, then ok. If not, I'm not the suing kind.

I don't bash. Ever. I don't condone violence in that context. Look up Sea. Kennedy. I knew him. If you truly believe what the Bible says, his murder, while tragic, was justified by his assailant. Based on nothing more than a few words, and his genetic disposition. Neither of which he could help. I've been on the receiving end of someone's misguided religious fury at me for something as natural as my skin colour. The most telling part, the guy who accosted me, waits till I turned my back and was leaving to strike me. How very Christian.

Bull, I respect you for your faith and convictions, you know that. So, would you accept a civil union for all premise? What about adoption? Am I able to be a foster parent and adopt kids? How about my partner(if I ever find him!)? Can we be recognized as a safe and loving family like yours in the eyes of man's law?

CRH, we will probably never agree on theology, but I believe as my minister once said no one should be mistreated, or called names because of who they are. I strongly defend my beliefs because I think government continues to reach to control more of everyone's life. I think government's involvment in marriage will eventually lead to government telling churches who they must allow to marry in their church. Civil Unions yes, marriage no.

(06-20-2011 07:47 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  So what? Satan is perfectly welcome in the kingdom of heaven and can be forgiven like anyone else. Otherwise...the dogma implodes upon itself.

LOL!!!!! Wow you have just demonstrated enough ignorance of basic Christian theology to warrant cutting this conversation off. It's like arguing with a seven year old who knows a few bible verses...

1) There is an unforgivable sin: Blaspheming the holy spirit (and that is in the words of Christ himself in the gospels and is reinforced (twice) in Hebrews

Hebrews 6:4-6 - 4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[a] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Also in Hebrews: (Heb 2:14-17)

For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham. Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

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