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(06-21-2011 02:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  They tried to let some sales through and follow the weapons to a bigger catch and it failed.

Maybe you should elaborate, b/c there is no one in the know who is backing that story.

Meanwhile Reagan cheated so he could keep Iran and Iraq fighting each other, instead of targetting the west. Looking back that seems like a pretty good idea.

Redwingtom Wrote:A little thing called the Congressional report:

In the fall of 2009, the Department of Justice (DOJ) developed a risky new strategy to combat gun trafficking along the Southwest Border. The new strategy directed federal law enforcement to shift its focus away from seizing firearms from criminals as soon as possible—and to focus instead on identifying members of trafficking networks. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) implemented that strategy using a reckless investigative technique that street agents call “gunwalking.” ATF’s Phoenix Field Division began allowing suspects to walk away with illegally purchased guns. The purpose was to wait and watch, in the hope that law enforcement could identify other members of a trafficking network and build a large, complex conspiracy case.
http://oversight.house.gov/images/storie...Report.pdf

I stated that badly. I should have said that no one but the guilty are seriously considering that story to have a shred or truth.

Actually, that's not right either. The guilty know that's a lie.

Quote:The most damning revelations coming out of the hearings on Operation Fast and Furious held by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform are the unmistakable indications that the program was never designed to succeed as a law enforcement operation at all.

A quartet of Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) agents and supervisors turned into whistleblowers to bring the operation down, but only after U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was gunned down in the Arizona desert. Two of the weapons recovered at the scene of Terry’s murder were traced to the operation.

Fast and Furious, also known by the more accurate “Gunwalker,” allowed known straw purchasers to buy large quantities of firearms — often a dozen or more semi-automatic rifles — at a time with the full knowledge of ATF agents and executives. The guns were then smuggled into Mexico, as frustrated front-line ATF agents watched, under strict orders to do nothing.

ATF agents testifying in front of the House Oversight Committee could not explain how the operation was supposed to succeed when their surveillance efforts stopped at the border and interdiction was never an option.

ATF Agent John Dodson, testifying in front of the committee, said that in his entire law enforcement career, he had “never been involved in or even heard of an operation in which law enforcement officers let guns walk.” He continued: “I cannot begin to think of how the risk of letting guns fall into the hands of known criminals could possibly advance any legitimate law enforcement interest.”

(06-21-2011 02:58 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-21-2011 02:47 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-21-2011 02:23 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(06-21-2011 01:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-21-2011 11:21 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  This seems so much worse than Iran Contra...

Care to elaborate a tad?

They tried to let some sales through and follow the weapons to a bigger catch and it failed.

Maybe you should elaborate, b/c there is no one in the know who is backing that story.

Meanwhile Reagan cheated so he could keep Iran and Iraq fighting each other, instead of targetting the west. Looking back that seems like a pretty good idea.

A little thing called the Congressional report:

In the fall of 2009, the Department of Justice (DOJ) developed a risky new strategy to combat gun trafficking along the Southwest Border. The new strategy directed federal law enforcement to shift its focus away from seizing firearms from criminals as soon as possible—and to focus instead on identifying members of trafficking networks. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) implemented that strategy using a reckless investigative technique that street agents call “gunwalking.” ATF’s Phoenix Field Division began allowing suspects to walk away with illegally purchased guns. The purpose was to wait and watch, in the hope that law enforcement could identify other members of a trafficking network and build a large, complex conspiracy case.
http://oversight.house.gov/images/storie...Report.pdf

Playing fast and loose with people's lives is what the tolerant lefters do so well. It's quite astonishing that Roberta and Simpletom defend the administration, long after the Administration deems it indefensible and throws in the towel.

Except that ONCE AGAIN you are making insinuations about things that I never said! Where did I say I was defending the administration on this?

I simply said what they claim the program was supposed to be and I acknowledged that I thought that the program failed. I also stated that we should know more when the investigation is complete.

If it is shown that Obama (or Holder) knew about this or authorized this they should be held accountable.