(06-12-2011 11:34 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  panama and 49rfootballNOW have a preconceived notion that it doesn't matter about anything basically except they are located in a large city. There are a lot of colleges in large cities that have no program because they have no support or very little support.

Well that is not what I said. But since you opened the door, which was the last small town, less than 30k enrollment school to get an invite from a Big 6 conference?

(06-12-2011 01:36 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 11:34 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  panama and 49rfootballNOW have a preconceived notion that it doesn't matter about anything basically except they are located in a large city. There are a lot of colleges in large cities that have no program because they have no support or very little support.

Well that is not what I said. But since you opened the door, which was the last small town, less than 30k enrollment school to get an invite from a Big 6 conference?

The last time the SEC expaned: Arkansas and South Carolina
The last time the ACC expanded: Va Tech and FSU
Recently the Big 10 added Nebraska

Soon the Big East and ECU is a strong possibility. Villanova is in a big city, but has a small enrollment.

All of the schools above are relatively small cities (minus Villanova) less than 30k at the time or even now.

(06-12-2011 01:36 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 11:34 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  panama and 49rfootballNOW have a preconceived notion that it doesn't matter about anything basically except they are located in a large city. There are a lot of colleges in large cities that have no program because they have no support or very little support.

Well that is not what I said. But since you opened the door, which was the last small town, less than 30k enrollment school to get an invite from a Big 6 conference?

Care to define "small town"?

(06-12-2011 02:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 01:36 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 11:34 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  panama and 49rfootballNOW have a preconceived notion that it doesn't matter about anything basically except they are located in a large city. There are a lot of colleges in large cities that have no program because they have no support or very little support.

Well that is not what I said. But since you opened the door, which was the last small town, less than 30k enrollment school to get an invite from a Big 6 conference?

The last time the SEC expaned: Arkansas and South Carolina
The last time the ACC expanded: Va Tech and FSU
Recently the Big 10 added Nebraska

Soon the Big East and ECU is a strong possibility. Villanova is in a big city, but has a small enrollment.

All of the schools above are relatively small cities (minus Villanova) less than 30k at the time or even now.

The SEC last expanded in 1991, well before the BCS era. I doubt the same expansion criteria were in force.

The ACC last expaned in 2004. They added VaTech , but they also added Boston College (market) and Miami (market). Florida State was added in 1991.

The Big 10 added Nebraska, but guess what, they're Nebraska. Hardly the same as TCU.

Yes ECU is being mentioned for the Big East. Who else is being mentioned? Houston (Market), UCF (Market) and SMU (Market).

Just saying, conferences expand because of the idea of better TV contracts (at least mainly). That generally means market. Its just one factor but its a big one.

(06-12-2011 02:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 01:36 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 11:34 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  panama and 49rfootballNOW have a preconceived notion that it doesn't matter about anything basically except they are located in a large city. There are a lot of colleges in large cities that have no program because they have no support or very little support.

Well that is not what I said. But since you opened the door, which was the last small town, less than 30k enrollment school to get an invite from a Big 6 conference?

Care to define "small town"?

Murfreesboro, TN :D

Sorry, I HAD to. :)

(06-12-2011 04:08 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 02:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 01:36 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 11:34 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  panama and 49rfootballNOW have a preconceived notion that it doesn't matter about anything basically except they are located in a large city. There are a lot of colleges in large cities that have no program because they have no support or very little support.

Well that is not what I said. But since you opened the door, which was the last small town, less than 30k enrollment school to get an invite from a Big 6 conference?

The last time the SEC expaned: Arkansas and South Carolina
The last time the ACC expanded: Va Tech and FSU
Recently the Big 10 added Nebraska

Soon the Big East and ECU is a strong possibility. Villanova is in a big city, but has a small enrollment.

All of the schools above are relatively small cities (minus Villanova) less than 30k at the time or even now.

The SEC last expanded in 1991, well before the BCS era. I doubt the same expansion criteria were in force.

The ACC last expaned in 2004. They added VaTech , but they also added Boston College (market) and Miami (market). Florida State was added in 1991.

The Big 10 added Nebraska, but guess what, they're Nebraska. Hardly the same as TCU.

Yes ECU is being mentioned for the Big East. Who else is being mentioned? Houston (Market), UCF (Market) and SMU (Market).

Just saying, conferences expand because of the idea of better TV contracts (at least mainly). That generally means market. Its just one factor but its a big one.

(06-12-2011 02:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 01:36 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 11:34 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  panama and 49rfootballNOW have a preconceived notion that it doesn't matter about anything basically except they are located in a large city. There are a lot of colleges in large cities that have no program because they have no support or very little support.

Well that is not what I said. But since you opened the door, which was the last small town, less than 30k enrollment school to get an invite from a Big 6 conference?

Care to define "small town"?

Murfreesboro, TN :D

Sorry, I HAD to. :)

But seriously...

(06-12-2011 10:56 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 04:08 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 02:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 01:36 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 11:34 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  panama and 49rfootballNOW have a preconceived notion that it doesn't matter about anything basically except they are located in a large city. There are a lot of colleges in large cities that have no program because they have no support or very little support.

Well that is not what I said. But since you opened the door, which was the last small town, less than 30k enrollment school to get an invite from a Big 6 conference?

The last time the SEC expaned: Arkansas and South Carolina
The last time the ACC expanded: Va Tech and FSU
Recently the Big 10 added Nebraska

Soon the Big East and ECU is a strong possibility. Villanova is in a big city, but has a small enrollment.

All of the schools above are relatively small cities (minus Villanova) less than 30k at the time or even now.

The SEC last expanded in 1991, well before the BCS era. I doubt the same expansion criteria were in force.

The ACC last expaned in 2004. They added VaTech , but they also added Boston College (market) and Miami (market). Florida State was added in 1991.

The Big 10 added Nebraska, but guess what, they're Nebraska. Hardly the same as TCU.

Yes ECU is being mentioned for the Big East. Who else is being mentioned? Houston (Market), UCF (Market) and SMU (Market).

Just saying, conferences expand because of the idea of better TV contracts (at least mainly). That generally means market. Its just one factor but its a big one.

(06-12-2011 02:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 01:36 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 11:34 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  panama and 49rfootballNOW have a preconceived notion that it doesn't matter about anything basically except they are located in a large city. There are a lot of colleges in large cities that have no program because they have no support or very little support.

Well that is not what I said. But since you opened the door, which was the last small town, less than 30k enrollment school to get an invite from a Big 6 conference?

Care to define "small town"?

Murfreesboro, TN :D

Sorry, I HAD to. :)

But seriously...

Seriously subjective. How many alumni does MT have in Nashville or does App have in Charlotte? Ultimately someone has to make an expansion judgement call and hope they are right about the cobination of market + brand being of enough added value to a cxonference and y extension, TV contract.

(06-12-2011 11:19 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 10:56 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 04:08 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 02:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 01:36 PM)panama Wrote:  Well that is not what I said. But since you opened the door, which was the last small town, less than 30k enrollment school to get an invite from a Big 6 conference?

The last time the SEC expaned: Arkansas and South Carolina
The last time the ACC expanded: Va Tech and FSU
Recently the Big 10 added Nebraska

Soon the Big East and ECU is a strong possibility. Villanova is in a big city, but has a small enrollment.

All of the schools above are relatively small cities (minus Villanova) less than 30k at the time or even now.

The SEC last expanded in 1991, well before the BCS era. I doubt the same expansion criteria were in force.

The ACC last expaned in 2004. They added VaTech , but they also added Boston College (market) and Miami (market). Florida State was added in 1991.

The Big 10 added Nebraska, but guess what, they're Nebraska. Hardly the same as TCU.

Yes ECU is being mentioned for the Big East. Who else is being mentioned? Houston (Market), UCF (Market) and SMU (Market).

Just saying, conferences expand because of the idea of better TV contracts (at least mainly). That generally means market. Its just one factor but its a big one.

(06-12-2011 02:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 01:36 PM)panama Wrote:  Well that is not what I said. But since you opened the door, which was the last small town, less than 30k enrollment school to get an invite from a Big 6 conference?

Care to define "small town"?

Murfreesboro, TN :D

Sorry, I HAD to. :)

But seriously...

Seriously subjective. How many alumni does MT have in Nashville or does App have in Charlotte? Ultimately someone has to make an expansion judgement call and hope they are right about the cobination of market + brand being of enough added value to a cxonference and y extension, TV contract.

I just wanted to know what you considered a small town...it was honest curiosity.

(06-12-2011 11:19 PM)panama Wrote:  Seriously subjective. How many alumni does MT have in Nashville or does App have in Charlotte? Ultimately someone has to make an expansion judgement call and hope they are right about the cobination of market + brand being of enough added value to a cxonference and y extension, TV contract.

App has a larger media market than most outsiders to NC realize. Our largest alumni and incoming student base is Charlotte but we're equally popular through the Triangle area (Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill). Our alumni and incoming student breakdown pretty much mirrors the population distribution of NC. We have a measurable market presence in the Triangle, the Triad (Winston-Salem, Greensboro, High Point) and obviously the western portion of our state. While App may be located in a non-metro area our advantage is that gameday anywhere within an hour of Boone is Black and Gold and we're clearly the area's #1 team. This has helped us develop a loyal "App first" following. We have a large portion of fans that drive over 3 hrs every gameday, right past NC State, UNC, Wake and Duke. Outside of ECU, App is the only non-ACC NC school that seems to have a large statewide sports following.

IMO, If a conference were to only want the largest presence in Charlotte (assuming UNCC football has a good start and can put some butts in seats) then the 49ers are the better choice. However, if that same conference wishes to have a presence in all if NC then App would be the choice.

(06-13-2011 12:41 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 11:19 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 10:56 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 04:08 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 02:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  The last time the SEC expaned: Arkansas and South Carolina
The last time the ACC expanded: Va Tech and FSU
Recently the Big 10 added Nebraska

Soon the Big East and ECU is a strong possibility. Villanova is in a big city, but has a small enrollment.

All of the schools above are relatively small cities (minus Villanova) less than 30k at the time or even now.

The SEC last expanded in 1991, well before the BCS era. I doubt the same expansion criteria were in force.

The ACC last expaned in 2004. They added VaTech , but they also added Boston College (market) and Miami (market). Florida State was added in 1991.

The Big 10 added Nebraska, but guess what, they're Nebraska. Hardly the same as TCU.

Yes ECU is being mentioned for the Big East. Who else is being mentioned? Houston (Market), UCF (Market) and SMU (Market).

Just saying, conferences expand because of the idea of better TV contracts (at least mainly). That generally means market. Its just one factor but its a big one.

(06-12-2011 02:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Care to define "small town"?

Murfreesboro, TN :D

Sorry, I HAD to. :)

But seriously...

Seriously subjective. How many alumni does MT have in Nashville or does App have in Charlotte? Ultimately someone has to make an expansion judgment call and hope they are right about the combination of market + brand being of enough added value to a conference and y extension, TV contract.

I just wanted to know what you considered a small town...it was honest curiosity.

I am probably not the best judge as I have never lived in a city with a metro pop less than 1 million (Chicago, IL/Panama City, Panama/Atlanta, GA). And what I meant was a small or medium sized city. I consider Macon and Savannah small towns.

(06-13-2011 09:25 AM)97App Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 11:19 PM)panama Wrote:  Seriously subjective. How many alumni does MT have in Nashville or does App have in Charlotte? Ultimately someone has to make an expansion judgement call and hope they are right about the cobination of market + brand being of enough added value to a cxonference and y extension, TV contract.

App has a larger media market than most outsiders to NC realize. Our largest alumni and incoming student base is Charlotte but we're equally popular through the Triangle area (Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill). Our alumni and incoming student breakdown pretty much mirrors the population distribution of NC. We have a measurable market presence in the Triangle, the Triad (Winston-Salem, Greensboro, High Point) and obviously the western portion of our state. While App may be located in a non-metro area our advantage is that gameday anywhere within an hour of Boone is Black and Gold and we're clearly the area's #1 team. This has helped us develop a loyal "App first" following. We have a large portion of fans that drive over 3 hrs every gameday, right past NC State, UNC, Wake and Duke. Outside of ECU, App is the only non-ACC NC school that seems to have a large statewide sports following.

IMO, If a conference were to only want the largest presence in Charlotte (assuming UNCC football has a good start and can put some butts in seats) then the 49ers are the better choice. However, if that same conference wishes to have a presence in all if NC then App would be the choice.

And that is why I say its subjective. It's a gamble for any conference who isnt inviting an existing AQ school. Lets face it, none of us are selling 40k to 60k season tickets like a SEC school. So conferences have to do a litlle more research and a lot of guesswork as to potential where non-AQ and FCS schools are concerned.

(06-13-2011 10:25 AM)panama Wrote:  

(06-13-2011 09:25 AM)97App Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 11:19 PM)panama Wrote:  Seriously subjective. How many alumni does MT have in Nashville or does App have in Charlotte? Ultimately someone has to make an expansion judgement call and hope they are right about the cobination of market + brand being of enough added value to a cxonference and y extension, TV contract.

App has a larger media market than most outsiders to NC realize. Our largest alumni and incoming student base is Charlotte but we're equally popular through the Triangle area (Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill). Our alumni and incoming student breakdown pretty much mirrors the population distribution of NC. We have a measurable market presence in the Triangle, the Triad (Winston-Salem, Greensboro, High Point) and obviously the western portion of our state. While App may be located in a non-metro area our advantage is that gameday anywhere within an hour of Boone is Black and Gold and we're clearly the area's #1 team. This has helped us develop a loyal "App first" following. We have a large portion of fans that drive over 3 hrs every gameday, right past NC State, UNC, Wake and Duke. Outside of ECU, App is the only non-ACC NC school that seems to have a large statewide sports following.

IMO, If a conference were to only want the largest presence in Charlotte (assuming UNCC football has a good start and can put some butts in seats) then the 49ers are the better choice. However, if that same conference wishes to have a presence in all if NC then App would be the choice.

And that is why I say its subjective. It's a gamble for any conference who isnt inviting an existing AQ school. Lets face it, none of us are selling 40k to 60k season tickets like a SEC school. So conferences have to do a litlle more research and a lot of guesswork as to potential where non-AQ and FCS schools are concerned.

I definitely agree that there's more static than clarity in the picture. There are a lot of what ifs involved. I was more or less answering your question about alumni and pointing out that there are some situations, using NC as an example, where you can have non-AQ schools like ECU and App State that have a market presence that reaches outside of their county lines.

(06-13-2011 12:24 PM)97App Wrote:  

(06-13-2011 10:25 AM)panama Wrote:  

(06-13-2011 09:25 AM)97App Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 11:19 PM)panama Wrote:  Seriously subjective. How many alumni does MT have in Nashville or does App have in Charlotte? Ultimately someone has to make an expansion judgement call and hope they are right about the cobination of market + brand being of enough added value to a cxonference and y extension, TV contract.

App has a larger media market than most outsiders to NC realize. Our largest alumni and incoming student base is Charlotte but we're equally popular through the Triangle area (Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill). Our alumni and incoming student breakdown pretty much mirrors the population distribution of NC. We have a measurable market presence in the Triangle, the Triad (Winston-Salem, Greensboro, High Point) and obviously the western portion of our state. While App may be located in a non-metro area our advantage is that gameday anywhere within an hour of Boone is Black and Gold and we're clearly the area's #1 team. This has helped us develop a loyal "App first" following. We have a large portion of fans that drive over 3 hrs every gameday, right past NC State, UNC, Wake and Duke. Outside of ECU, App is the only non-ACC NC school that seems to have a large statewide sports following.

IMO, If a conference were to only want the largest presence in Charlotte (assuming UNCC football has a good start and can put some butts in seats) then the 49ers are the better choice. However, if that same conference wishes to have a presence in all if NC then App would be the choice.

And that is why I say its subjective. It's a gamble for any conference who isnt inviting an existing AQ school. Lets face it, none of us are selling 40k to 60k season tickets like a SEC school. So conferences have to do a litlle more research and a lot of guesswork as to potential where non-AQ and FCS schools are concerned.

I definitely agree that there's more static than clarity in the picture. There are a lot of what ifs involved. I was more or less answering your question about alumni and pointing out that there are some situations, using NC as an example, where you can have non-AQ schools like ECU and App State that have a market presence that reaches outside of their county lines.

I think we're saying the same thing. :)

(06-12-2011 11:19 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 10:56 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 04:08 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 02:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 01:36 PM)panama Wrote:  Well that is not what I said. But since you opened the door, which was the last small town, less than 30k enrollment school to get an invite from a Big 6 conference?

The last time the SEC expaned: Arkansas and South Carolina
The last time the ACC expanded: Va Tech and FSU
Recently the Big 10 added Nebraska

Soon the Big East and ECU is a strong possibility. Villanova is in a big city, but has a small enrollment.

All of the schools above are relatively small cities (minus Villanova) less than 30k at the time or even now.

The SEC last expanded in 1991, well before the BCS era. I doubt the same expansion criteria were in force.

The ACC last expaned in 2004. They added VaTech , but they also added Boston College (market) and Miami (market). Florida State was added in 1991.

The Big 10 added Nebraska, but guess what, they're Nebraska. Hardly the same as TCU.

Yes ECU is being mentioned for the Big East. Who else is being mentioned? Houston (Market), UCF (Market) and SMU (Market).

Just saying, conferences expand because of the idea of better TV contracts (at least mainly). That generally means market. Its just one factor but its a big one.

(06-12-2011 02:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 01:36 PM)panama Wrote:  Well that is not what I said. But since you opened the door, which was the last small town, less than 30k enrollment school to get an invite from a Big 6 conference?

Care to define "small town"?

Murfreesboro, TN :D

Sorry, I HAD to. :)

But seriously...

Seriously subjective. How many alumni does MT have in Nashville or does App have in Charlotte? Ultimately someone has to make an expansion judgement call and hope they are right about the cobination of market + brand being of enough added value to a cxonference and y extension, TV contract.

http://www.alumni.appstate.edu/AlumniMap/framemap.htm

About 24,000 alumni in the counties surrounding Charlotte.