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30% of Employers will drop Health Coverage due to Obamacare!


Quote:Thirty percent of employers will definitely or probably stop offering health benefits to their employees once the main provisions of President Obama's federal health care law go into effect in 2014, a new survey finds.

The research published in the McKinsey Quarterly found that the number rises to 50 percent among employers who are highly aware of the health care law.

Great Job Obama...In an effort to get everybody healthcare, he is creating a greater number without it.

The conspiracy theorist in me says that this was his plan on along, knowing that many of those suddenly without insurance would demand the goverment provide it. And....there it is....Socialist Healthcare.
06-07-2011 01:31 PM
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(06-07-2011 01:31 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  30% of Employers will drop Health Coverage due to Obamacare!


Quote:Thirty percent of employers will definitely or probably stop offering health benefits to their employees once the main provisions of President Obama's federal health care law go into effect in 2014, a new survey finds.

The research published in the McKinsey Quarterly found that the number rises to 50 percent among employers who are highly aware of the health care law.

Great Job Obama...In an effort to get everybody healthcare, he is creating a greater number without it.

The conspiracy theorist in me says that this was his plan on along, knowing that many of those suddenly without insurance would demand the goverment provide it. And....there it is....Socialist Healthcare.

That's no conspiracy theory. Anyone with any common sense should be able to pick up on that.
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(06-07-2011 01:31 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  30% of Employers will drop Health Coverage due to Obamacare!
Quote:Thirty percent of employers will definitely or probably stop offering health benefits to their employees once the main provisions of President Obama's federal health care law go into effect in 2014, a new survey finds.
The research published in the McKinsey Quarterly found that the number rises to 50 percent among employers who are highly aware of the health care law.
Great Job Obama...In an effort to get everybody healthcare, he is creating a greater number without it.
The conspiracy theorist in me says that this was his plan on along, knowing that many of those suddenly without insurance would demand the goverment provide it. And....there it is....Socialist Healthcare.

One other angle. Suppose the states win their lawsuit challenging the individual mandate, but the court does not throw out the rest of the law. You would then have a situation where insurance companies would have to cover pre-existing conditions, without people having to buy a policy until they get sick. That could totally destroy the economics of private insurance. The insurers bail out, the only option is government insurance, and presto... socialism.

Maybe that's one more reason why the federales aren't using the ultimate defense--that it's a tax. If it's a tax, it sails through constitutionally.
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He's playing chess, while you play checkers.
Checkmate. 05-stirthepot
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(06-07-2011 02:00 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  He's playing chess, while you play checkers.
Checkmate. 05-stirthepot

Except nobody wins.
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(06-07-2011 02:00 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  He's playing chess, while you play checkers.
Checkmate. 05-stirthepot

I guess you think it is all just great.
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(06-07-2011 02:00 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  He's playing chess, while you play checkers.
Checkmate. 05-stirthepot

If I'm playing checkers, and he's playing chess, doesn't that mean he's playing with himself?
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(06-07-2011 01:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  One other angle. Suppose the states win their lawsuit challenging the individual mandate, but the court does not throw out the rest of the law. You would then have a situation where insurance companies would have to cover pre-existing conditions, without people having to buy a policy until they get sick. That could totally destroy the economics of private insurance. The insurers bail out, the only option is government insurance, and presto... socialism.

Maybe that's one more reason why the federales aren't using the ultimate defense--that it's a tax. If it's a tax, it sails through constitutionally.

Quote:The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

If you can point out where "provide medical care for all Americans" exists in the US Constitution, I'm all ears.
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(06-07-2011 02:20 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(06-07-2011 01:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  One other angle. Suppose the states win their lawsuit challenging the individual mandate, but the court does not throw out the rest of the law. You would then have a situation where insurance companies would have to cover pre-existing conditions, without people having to buy a policy until they get sick. That could totally destroy the economics of private insurance. The insurers bail out, the only option is government insurance, and presto... socialism.

Maybe that's one more reason why the federales aren't using the ultimate defense--that it's a tax. If it's a tax, it sails through constitutionally.

Quote:The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

If you can point out where "provide medical care for all Americans" exists in the US Constitution, I'm all ears.

I don't think the Constitution mean much these days - 9 judges can steer this country in any direction they want. Today I read that the Supreme court said it was constitutional for illegals to attend state colleges at in-state rates while other legal students pay the full blown out of state rates. I thought that would be a no brainer, but I was wrong.
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(06-07-2011 02:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I don't think the Constitution mean much these days - 9 judges can steer this country in any direction they want. Today I read that the Supreme court said it was constitutional for illegals to attend state colleges at in-state rates while other legal students pay the full blown out of state rates. I thought that would be a no brainer, but I was wrong.

Hell, Huckabee allowed illegals in his state to pay in-state but people in KC that wanted to attend Arkansas had to pay out-of-state.
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Damn, I wish I was illegal so I could reap the benefits. 05-stirthepot
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(06-07-2011 02:00 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  He's playing chess, while you play checkers.
Checkmate. 05-stirthepot

LIke I said, liberals will always tell you who the are.

Obama wanted this. He wanted businesses to drop coverage, so more end up on the government plan. This is the path to single payer.

It was only stated here by me and multiple others numerous times during the debate. This shouldn't shock anyone.
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(06-07-2011 02:59 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  This shouldn't shock anyone.

Doesn't shock me at all...just wanted to make sure the denseocrats on the board saw it.
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(06-07-2011 02:43 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(06-07-2011 02:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I don't think the Constitution mean much these days - 9 judges can steer this country in any direction they want. Today I read that the Supreme court said it was constitutional for illegals to attend state colleges at in-state rates while other legal students pay the full blown out of state rates. I thought that would be a no brainer, but I was wrong.

Hell, Huckabee allowed illegals in his state to pay in-state but people in KC that wanted to attend Arkansas had to pay out-of-state.

These guys would sell their souls for votes, republicans and democrats alike.
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Wait a minute, Obaba told us if we liked our insurance we could keep it.
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(06-07-2011 03:14 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Wait a minute, Obaba told us if we liked our insurance we could keep it.

He didn't lie to you. You can keep it, if it still exists.
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(06-07-2011 02:20 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(06-07-2011 01:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  One other angle. Suppose the states win their lawsuit challenging the individual mandate, but the court does not throw out the rest of the law. You would then have a situation where insurance companies would have to cover pre-existing conditions, without people having to buy a policy until they get sick. That could totally destroy the economics of private insurance. The insurers bail out, the only option is government insurance, and presto... socialism.
Maybe that's one more reason why the federales aren't using the ultimate defense--that it's a tax. If it's a tax, it sails through constitutionally.
Quote:The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
If you can point out where "provide medical care for all Americans" exists in the US Constitution, I'm all ears.

I'm just talking about the individual mandate. If it's a tax, it passes the requirements for the taxing power. But if it's a tax, then Obama lied about not raising taxes on anyone making less than $250,000. With all the other lies, I don't know why this one bothers him so much, but for some reason it does.

The individual mandate is the best part of the bill. Seriously. If it fails, let's hope they throw the whole thing out. If they overturn the mandate and leave everything else in place, we are seriously, seriously screwed.

I agree with you that the bill as a whole has serious constitutional questions, and I'm hoping that the bill as a whole gets overturned. Just pointing out the hazards if it doesn't.
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Quote:The individual mandate is the best part of the bill. Seriously. If it fails, let's hope they throw the whole thing out. If they overturn the mandate and leave everything else in place, we are seriously, seriously screwed.

I agree with you that the bill as a whole has serious constitutional questions, and I'm hoping that the bill as a whole gets overturned. Just pointing out the hazards if it doesn't.

I remember reading there was no severability put into the bill. Meaning if want part is stuck down the whole bill goes.

I could be wrong but I never heard if that was removed.
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(06-07-2011 05:25 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
Quote:The individual mandate is the best part of the bill. Seriously. If it fails, let's hope they throw the whole thing out. If they overturn the mandate and leave everything else in place, we are seriously, seriously screwed.

I agree with you that the bill as a whole has serious constitutional questions, and I'm hoping that the bill as a whole gets overturned. Just pointing out the hazards if it doesn't.

I remember reading there was no severability put into the bill. Meaning if want part is stuck down the whole bill goes.

I could be wrong but I never heard if that was removed.

I heard the same thing.
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(06-07-2011 05:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I'm just talking about the individual mandate. If it's a tax, it passes the requirements for the taxing power. But if it's a tax, then Obama lied about not raising taxes on anyone making less than $250,000. With all the other lies, I don't know why this one bothers him so much, but for some reason it does.

The individual mandate is the best part of the bill. Seriously. If it fails, let's hope they throw the whole thing out. If they overturn the mandate and leave everything else in place, we are seriously, seriously screwed.

I agree with you that the bill as a whole has serious constitutional questions, and I'm hoping that the bill as a whole gets overturned. Just pointing out the hazards if it doesn't.

All appropriations must be accounted for. This means "National Healthcare". I'd like to see how that passes Constitutional muster.
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