(From) Buehler Education -"In the hands of the state, compulsory public
education becomes a tool for political control and manipulation -- a
prime instrument for the thought police of the society. And precisely
because every child passes through the same indoctrination process --
learning the same "official history," the same "civic virtues," the same
lessons of obedience and loyalty to the state -- it becomes extremely
difficult for the independent soul to free himself from the
straightjacket of the ideology and values the political authorities wish
to imprint upon the population under its jurisdiction. For the
communists, it was the class struggle and obedience to the Party and
Comrade Stalin; for the fascists, it was worship of the nation -- state
and obedience to the Duce; for the Nazis, it was race purity and
obedience to the Fuhrer. The content has varied, but the form has
remained the same.

Through the institution of compulsory state education, the child is to
be molded like wax into the shape desired by the state and its
educational elite. We should not believe that because ours is a freer,
more democratic society, the same imprinting procedure has not occurred
even here, in America. Every generation of school-age children has
imprinted upon it a politically correct ideology concerning America's
past and the sanctity of the role of the state in society.

Practically every child in the public school system learns that the
"robber barons" of the 19th century exploited the common working man;
that unregulated capitalism needed to be harnessed by enlightened
government regulation beginning in the Progressive era at the turn of
the century; that wild Wall Street speculation was a primary cause of
the Great Depression; that only Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal saved
America from catastrophe; and that American intervention in foreign wars
has been necessary and inevitable, with the United States government
required to be a global leader and an occasional world policeman." ~
Richard M. Ebeling ~

The State must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation. — Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”

Be careful, you might wake the sheeple from their stupor.

(06-05-2011 10:21 PM)Paul M Wrote:  The State must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation. — Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”

Huh. Kind of strange how it sounds like the Republican party when it comes to abortion. The government must protect the children by making abortion illegal. While at the same time passing the Patriot Act.

(06-05-2011 10:30 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Huh. Kind of strange how it sounds like the Republican party when it comes to abortion. The government must protect the children by making abortion illegal. While at the same time passing the Patriot Act.

You mean the neocons?

The Republican party is beginning to shift away from it's ridiculous experiment with the hypocritical policies of neoconservatism. There is an ongoing shift towards the roots of conservatism--anti-war, anti-government, and pro-liberty.

Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, Justin Amash, Rand Paul(to a lesser extent), etc are a part of something very different from the status quo garbage that has corrupted the party for quite some time now.

The Tea Party and some of it's leaders(Palin, Cain, Bachmann) are in many ways more of the same old, same old. Despite that, I see them as "bridge" politicians, if you will. In other words, many of the supporters of these candidates are honest people who would more openly embrace the real ideas of conservatism if they weren't constantly bombarded by much of the trash that Fox News tries to pass as 'conservatism'. Most of the people who support these candidates are older(baby boomer or +) and thus are too heavily ingrained in the current system to fully shift away from neoconservatism. Nonetheless, they do discuss important issues like sound money, balanced budgets, limited government,etc. It might be mindless rhetoric, but at least their rhetoric is shifting.

This hesitance to embrace true conservatism is not nearly as common in the younger conservatives. The future of the party relies on these young voters, and many of them see Fox News and neoconservatism for what it is--garbage.

The topic is public education Robert, the domain of the liberals.

(06-05-2011 10:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  The topic is public education Robert, the domain of the liberals.

Well, it certainly isn't the domain for Conservatives.

(06-05-2011 10:52 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 10:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  The topic is public education Robert, the domain of the liberals.

Well, it certainly isn't the domain for Conservatives.

So why did you try to associate a fascist socialists quote to Conservatives?

(06-05-2011 10:59 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 10:52 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 10:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  The topic is public education Robert, the domain of the liberals.

Well, it certainly isn't the domain for Conservatives.

So why did you try to associate a fascist socialists quote to Conservatives?

Because the quote fits the fascist Conservative. I am talking about the specific quote you gave not taking into account any context behind it(ie what he was talking about when the quote was written).

So you just take the context out and make-up whatever you want. Reminds me of another topic from today, "Listen long enough, liberals will always tell you who they are".

(06-05-2011 11:48 PM)Paul M Wrote:  So you just take the context out and make-up whatever you want. Reminds me of another topic from today, "Listen long enough, liberals will always tell you who they are".

I had no idea what the context was. I didn't just arbitrarily just throw it out and certain;y didn't make up anything. I was just respnding to the words in the quote. That is all nothing more.

(06-06-2011 01:21 AM)RobertN Wrote:  I have no idea what context is.

FIFY.

Yes....Public schools have become indoctrination centers of the state. I would submit though that many private schools also practice types nationalistic and religious indoctrination. The difference is of course....If I send my child to a private school, it is my choice to have my child indoctrinated.

(06-06-2011 10:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Yes....Public schools have become indoctrination centers of the state. I would submit though that many private schools also practice types nationalistic and religious indoctrination. The difference is of course....If I send my child to a private school, it is my choice to have my child indoctrinated.

Or you can home school them so they become indoctrinated by you. Not sure what is the best option. Maybe you can just put them to work as child laborers and skip the whole education thing? You don't need an education to flip burgers.

(06-06-2011 11:00 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-06-2011 10:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Yes....Public schools have become indoctrination centers of the state. I would submit though that many private schools also practice types nationalistic and religious indoctrination. The difference is of course....If I send my child to a private school, it is my choice to have my child indoctrinated.

Or you can home school them so they become indoctrinated by you. Not sure what is the best option. Maybe you can just put them to work as child laborers and skip the whole education thing? You don't need an education to flip burgers.

Yes...That is an option...again..one used without force. I am actually a proponent of public education...just not the failed system of today that spends more time teaching children things that should be taught at home than it does teaching them them reading, writing and mathematics. We have allowed the schools to basically become Daycare...not...educational institutions.