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(06-06-2011 11:38 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
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(06-06-2011 12:39 AM)wild bill Wrote:  Here's the transcripts of the David Quinn v Dawkins debate. Dawkins got owned. I surely hope you haven't damned your soul over an idiot like Dawkins, I like you as a poster and I'm sure you're a fine man but I'm surprised as smart as you are you fell for something as empty as anything Richard Dawkins would spew.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1727564/posts

Well let's dig deeper shall we? Do you accept the hands off God as presented by Quinn in that debate?

Do you practice organized religion? Attend a church, listen to priests, have a book you consider to be the word of God, ... any of the usual stuffs?

If you answered yes to both ... how in the hell do you reconcile that enormous chasm between the two?

I have equal dislike for Christians and Atheists who constantly(and obnoxiously) want me to buy into their belief systems.

That's cool with me. I don't want you to buy into my belief system. If you don't figure it out for yourself then it won't do you any good anyway.
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(06-06-2011 12:23 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 12:16 AM)wild bill Wrote:  GTS wonder who won the debate

On 3 October 2007, John Lennox, Professor of Mathematics at Oxford University, publicly debated Richard Dawkins at the University of Alabama at Birmingham in Birmingham, Alabama on Dawkins' views as expressed in The God Delusion, and their validity over and against the Christian faith.[45][46][47] "The God Delusion Debate" marked Dawkins' first visit to the Old South and the first significant discussion on this issue in the "Bible Belt".[48] The event was sold out, and the Wall Street Journal called it "a revelation: in Alabama, a civil debate over God's existence."[49][50] Dawkins debated Lennox for the second time at the Oxford University Museum of Natural History in October 2008. The debate was titled "Has Science Buried God?", in which Dawkins said that, while he would not accept it, a reasonably respectable case could be made for "a deistic god, a sort of god of the physicist, a god of somebody like Paul Davies, who devised the laws of physics, god the mathematician, god who put together the cosmos in the first place and then sat back and watched everything happen".[

And I hope you realize such a God would be light years away from the organized religion practiced by most people. The above describes Deism, and I use to be deist until I read The God Delusion. Dawkins and myself are de facto atheists. He covers this point of view in detail for probably 20-30 pages in the book.

This came from the wiki page of "The God Delusion." I'm also aware the difference's of Deism and Christianity.

GTS I think you're wired to accept claims by the fringe, Roger Dawkins is a fringe atheist with asinine claims who uses faith as his only proof to his atheism, and faith, in anything, is much more closer to the same faith in religions than you would want to accept, and although I agree with 80% of what Ron Paul says and I support a majority of his claims he's seen as a loon, neocon, that lives on the fringe of political reality by the media, and you're the biggest Ron Paul supporter on this board, and that's partly why I read your posts because I enjoy your Ron Paul debates vs the libtards on this board, but that just goes to show I've hit the nail on the head and there's nothing anyone is going to say or do to change your mind because that's how you're wired which isn't a bad thing and it's prolly made you a successful person in life.
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(06-06-2011 11:45 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 11:38 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 01:50 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 12:39 AM)wild bill Wrote:  Here's the transcripts of the David Quinn v Dawkins debate. Dawkins got owned. I surely hope you haven't damned your soul over an idiot like Dawkins, I like you as a poster and I'm sure you're a fine man but I'm surprised as smart as you are you fell for something as empty as anything Richard Dawkins would spew.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1727564/posts

Well let's dig deeper shall we? Do you accept the hands off God as presented by Quinn in that debate?

Do you practice organized religion? Attend a church, listen to priests, have a book you consider to be the word of God, ... any of the usual stuffs?

If you answered yes to both ... how in the hell do you reconcile that enormous chasm between the two?

I have equal dislike for Christians and Atheists who constantly(and obnoxiously) want me to buy into their belief systems.

That's cool with me. I don't want you to buy into my belief system. If you don't figure it out for yourself then it won't do you any good anyway.

As with almost everything...it is the "lunatic fringe" that cause the problems. I have no problem with mainstream believers or cynics of faith.
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(06-06-2011 11:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 11:45 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 11:38 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
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(06-06-2011 12:39 AM)wild bill Wrote:  Here's the transcripts of the David Quinn v Dawkins debate. Dawkins got owned. I surely hope you haven't damned your soul over an idiot like Dawkins, I like you as a poster and I'm sure you're a fine man but I'm surprised as smart as you are you fell for something as empty as anything Richard Dawkins would spew.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1727564/posts

Well let's dig deeper shall we? Do you accept the hands off God as presented by Quinn in that debate?

Do you practice organized religion? Attend a church, listen to priests, have a book you consider to be the word of God, ... any of the usual stuffs?

If you answered yes to both ... how in the hell do you reconcile that enormous chasm between the two?

I have equal dislike for Christians and Atheists who constantly(and obnoxiously) want me to buy into their belief systems.

That's cool with me. I don't want you to buy into my belief system. If you don't figure it out for yourself then it won't do you any good anyway.

As with almost everything...it is the "lunatic fringe" that cause the problems. I have no problem with mainstream believers or cynics of faith.

I would be what most would call a Fundamentalist; however, I do beleive that you can not force Christ on anyone. It is a choice that each person must make of their own free will. I might "share" him with you, but I won't yell at you or force you to accept anything I say.
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(06-06-2011 11:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 11:45 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 11:38 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 01:50 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 12:39 AM)wild bill Wrote:  Here's the transcripts of the David Quinn v Dawkins debate. Dawkins got owned. I surely hope you haven't damned your soul over an idiot like Dawkins, I like you as a poster and I'm sure you're a fine man but I'm surprised as smart as you are you fell for something as empty as anything Richard Dawkins would spew.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1727564/posts

Well let's dig deeper shall we? Do you accept the hands off God as presented by Quinn in that debate?

Do you practice organized religion? Attend a church, listen to priests, have a book you consider to be the word of God, ... any of the usual stuffs?

If you answered yes to both ... how in the hell do you reconcile that enormous chasm between the two?

I have equal dislike for Christians and Atheists who constantly(and obnoxiously) want me to buy into their belief systems.

That's cool with me. I don't want you to buy into my belief system. If you don't figure it out for yourself then it won't do you any good anyway.

As with almost everything...it is the "lunatic fringe" that cause the problems. I have no problem with mainstream believers or cynics of faith.
"Lunatic fringe"? You mean like yourself? 05-stirthepot
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I'd hope anyone who doesn't accept evolution is considered a part of that "lunatic fringe".. otherwise we're screwed.
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(06-06-2011 12:02 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 11:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 11:45 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 11:38 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 01:50 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Well let's dig deeper shall we? Do you accept the hands off God as presented by Quinn in that debate?

Do you practice organized religion? Attend a church, listen to priests, have a book you consider to be the word of God, ... any of the usual stuffs?

If you answered yes to both ... how in the hell do you reconcile that enormous chasm between the two?

I have equal dislike for Christians and Atheists who constantly(and obnoxiously) want me to buy into their belief systems.

That's cool with me. I don't want you to buy into my belief system. If you don't figure it out for yourself then it won't do you any good anyway.

As with almost everything...it is the "lunatic fringe" that cause the problems. I have no problem with mainstream believers or cynics of faith.
"Lunatic fringe"? You mean like yourself? 05-stirthepot

If having a desire to live in Liberty is lunacy?....then I accept that moniker gladly.
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(06-06-2011 12:03 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  I'd hope anyone who doesn't accept evolution is considered a part of that "lunatic fringe".. otherwise we're screwed.

What about Global Warming...what if I don't accept that? Am I lunatic fringe then?

Why do you feel the need to ostracize everyone that thinks different from you? If someone doesn't accept Evolution at face value, what real difference in life will it make? Would they be a worse accountant, Lawyer, or even scientist? Maybe they would put some effort into really figuring something out for themself.
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(06-06-2011 12:03 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  I'd hope anyone who doesn't accept evolution is considered a part of that "lunatic fringe".. otherwise we're screwed.

I'd submit that the vast majority of "people of faith" are open minded in regard to evolutionary theory.
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(06-06-2011 12:12 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 12:02 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 11:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 11:45 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 11:38 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I have equal dislike for Christians and Atheists who constantly(and obnoxiously) want me to buy into their belief systems.

That's cool with me. I don't want you to buy into my belief system. If you don't figure it out for yourself then it won't do you any good anyway.

As with almost everything...it is the "lunatic fringe" that cause the problems. I have no problem with mainstream believers or cynics of faith.
"Lunatic fringe"? You mean like yourself? 05-stirthepot

If having a desire to live in a fantasy world is lunacy?....then I accept that moniker gladly.
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(06-06-2011 12:13 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 12:03 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  I'd hope anyone who doesn't accept evolution is considered a part of that "lunatic fringe".. otherwise we're screwed.

What about Global Warming...what if I don't accept that? Am I lunatic fringe then?

Why do you feel the need to ostracize everyone that thinks different from you? If someone doesn't accept Evolution at face value, what real difference in life will it make? Would they be a worse accountant, Lawyer, or even scientist? Maybe they would put some effort into really figuring something out for themself.
I would have to say that you are the lunatic fringe because you live just south of Crazytown. If you lived in Crazytown you would just be a lunatic. 03-lmfao
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(06-06-2011 12:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 12:12 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 12:02 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 11:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 11:45 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  That's cool with me. I don't want you to buy into my belief system. If you don't figure it out for yourself then it won't do you any good anyway.

As with almost everything...it is the "lunatic fringe" that cause the problems. I have no problem with mainstream believers or cynics of faith.
"Lunatic fringe"? You mean like yourself? 05-stirthepot

If having a desire to live in a fantasy world is lunacy?....then I accept that moniker gladly.
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So...I take that as meaning you oppose living in Liberty?

I'm not surprised. 03-lmfao
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GrayBeard.. if there was as much evidence and facts to back up global warming as there is evolution, than yes.. I would certainly say you'd have to be on the lunatic fringe to not believe in it. I think we can both agree that's not the case though, so the comparison isn't relevant.

If you had asked me the same thing about the theory of gravity, than perhaps the comparison would make sense.
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(06-06-2011 12:53 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 12:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 12:12 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 12:02 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-06-2011 11:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  As with almost everything...it is the "lunatic fringe" that cause the problems. I have no problem with mainstream believers or cynics of faith.
"Lunatic fringe"? You mean like yourself? 05-stirthepot

If having a desire to live in a fantasy world is lunacy?....then I accept that moniker gladly.
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So...I take that as meaning you oppose living in Liberty?

I'm not surprised. 03-lmfao
No. I am opposed to living in your fantasy world.
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(06-06-2011 11:36 AM)wild bill Wrote:  GTS I see no problem with the way Quinn painted God, no I don't go to church, I own a Bible that I don't read enough, I don't listen to priests although I occasionally will watch Jim Hagee, I do pray to Jesus the Son of God. All of this is irrelevant to the debate though. Quinn landblased Dawkins, owned him. Dawkins is infantile in his debate and is running the entire time from Quinn.

I'm an very open minded person and I don't have all the answers, but I want to seek knowledge and I am is a very good listener. I like to hear what people have to say regardless of what they are, and if it makes sense to me I might be willing to go along with it. After checking up on Dawkins and listening to him actually have to answer for his claims the guy is just another atheist on a soapbox against religion. If you want to do your thing then by all means do it, but don't try to pass your "religion is a delusion" claims with that pompous, atheist attitude like Dawkins has.

Well ... you're endorsing a hands off God yet you're praying to Jesus. First off... how would you know it's Jesus if it were a hands off God? Secondly ... why bother even praying in the first place if it's a hands off God?


(06-06-2011 11:54 AM)wild bill Wrote:  This came from the wiki page of "The God Delusion." I'm also aware the difference's of Deism and Christianity.

GTS I think you're wired to accept claims by the fringe, Roger Dawkins is a fringe atheist with asinine claims who uses faith as his only proof to his atheism, and faith, in anything, is much more closer to the same faith in religions than you would want to accept, and although I agree with 80% of what Ron Paul says and I support a majority of his claims he's seen as a loon, neocon, that lives on the fringe of political reality by the media, and you're the biggest Ron Paul supporter on this board, and that's partly why I read your posts because I enjoy your Ron Paul debates vs the libtards on this board, but that just goes to show I've hit the nail on the head and there's nothing anyone is going to say or do to change your mind because that's how you're wired which isn't a bad thing and it's prolly made you a successful person in life.

You should really read the book. I think you would be shocked to find it does make some reasonable arguments. Dawkins points out, and I agree, than God's non-existence cannot be proven 100% for sure. However, it is so unlikely as to warrant the assumption that one does not exist. The analogy he uses is the celestial tea pot. Could there be a tea pot just on the other side of Mars, in geostationary orbit so that the Earth never sees it? Yes. Can you prove there isn't one there? No. Do you think there's a tea pot there despite this? No.

And actually, I like to consider myself one of the most open minded people around. You don't discover Austrian Economics or Dawkins in our sh*tty educational system, that's for sure. You only find them if you go looking for answers, or know somebody who already found them. If God wants to convince me of his existence, he should provide me evidence. A booming voice in the sky ... something. Anything.

But back to the original view of God which you endorse ... I have qualms with the implications of a hands off Deist God. So it's an all knowning all seeing all powerful flawless super being. Ok. Take a look around the planet. Death, disease, crime, torture, poverty, murder, corruption, famine, drought, volcanoes, tornadoes, hurricanes, genocide, suicide, war, Obama, Dubya, The Backstreet Boys, the University of Georgia..... if this is God's work I'm not impressed. This is not the results I'd expect from an omnipotent being. This is what I'd expect out of a government program. This is what moved me away from Deism (along with Dawkin's book). If there is a Deist God, it's a sick and sadistic one unworthy of my worship.
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(06-06-2011 01:11 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
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(06-06-2011 12:02 PM)RobertN Wrote:  "Lunatic fringe"? You mean like yourself? 05-stirthepot

If having a desire to live in a fantasy world is lunacy?....then I accept that moniker gladly.
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So...I take that as meaning you oppose living in Liberty?

I'm not surprised. 03-lmfao
No. I am opposed to living in your fantasy world.

Then you believe liberty is a fantasy....Thanks for the clarification.03-lmfao
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No one created God as God as always been. This is rational and logical. Why? Because if there was a time when there was nothing, absolutely nothing, how could there be anything but nothing now? Unless, as some do, one declares matter as illusionary. Or that matter can somehow generate itself. Science has disproven each of these claims. The theist then believes in an uncreated Self Existent Being believing matter exists, cannot create itself, and is not illusionary.

Also typically affirming the existence of matter is the atheist. But their argument is that the universe (and hence matter itself in some form) has always existed. Matter rather than God is self existent. Science often refers to this as the Point of Singularity.

Interestingly, it was a Catholic preist, Georges Lemaitre, who advanced Big Bang Theory. It was called Big Bang in the perjoritive by an atheist scientist. The Big Bang Theory states that the Universe began in an instant. This flew directly in the face of the scientific view that matter and the universe was self existent. Two scientists, Penzias and Wilson, were working at Bell Labs with their horn attenna located by the water and lots of bird activity. There instruments produced a constant hum, so they disposed of the birds and cleaned the antenna. The hum remained. They had by accident discovered cosmic microwave background radiation, the fingerprint of the beginning of the universe. Both men won the Nobel prize for their discovery, but many were initially reluctant to accept the discovery due to its theological implications.

Einstein also believed in the self existant universe. Then came the discovery of the expanding universe. Einstein had to go visit Dr Hubble and see Red Shift with his own eyes as he couldn't initially accept it. Einstein even altered a key calculation dividing by zero to maintain Steady State.

In the philisophical realm, the atheist's strongest challenge is the existence of OBJECTIVE Good/Evil. A tough challenge indeed.

But the atheist (often a Darwinist) has a challenge also.
The atheist, at least an intellectually honest one, must acknowledge that with respect to human behavior there is no OBJECTIVE Good or Evil.
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