(06-06-2011 01:14 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  So.. again with the changing of subjects, rebel?

Who here is saying that Obama hasn't misspoke before? Who in this thread is going on about what a great job Obama's PR team is doing and what a brilliant narrative he's created? Obama and Biden get ripped on relentlessly (mostly in a comical fashion, mind you) for their missteps by liberals. Just because you don't watch liberal shows, or read liberal blogs, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Again, the entire thread started as an attack on Palin for making a gaffe. I'm pointing out hypocrisy. If you can't see that, you're obtuse.

(06-06-2011 01:14 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  So.. again with the changing of subjects, rebel?

Who here is saying that Obama hasn't misspoke before? Who in this thread is going on about what a great job Obama's PR team is doing and what a brilliant narrative he's created? Obama and Biden get ripped on relentlessly (mostly in a comical fashion, mind you) for their missteps by liberals. Just because you don't watch liberal shows, or read liberal blogs, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Spend a week at Reddit/r/politics if you want to see a bunch of liberals tearing apart democrats and Obama. If you aren't seeing it, it's because you don't want to, not because it's not there.

Hilarious, considering the first words out of an liberal's mouth when Obama is criticized is "Well, Bush did..."

Or, of course, "Racist."

Rebel, it would only be hypocritical if the people making the post were suggesting Obama doesn't make such gaffes at the same time.

(06-06-2011 02:28 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Rebel, it would only be hypocritical if the people making the post were suggesting Obama doesn't make such gaffes at the same time.

Damn, you are obtuse. These libs ARE suggesting that. Look at Redwing. It is hypocritical.

(06-06-2011 11:44 AM)Claw Wrote:  I suggest you walk a mile in their shoes before you fault anyone for having marriage troubles during cancer treatment.

"marriage troubles" is an incredibly gentle way to describe the actions of John Edwards over the last few years. But -- if that's how you see it, all right.

Even if we admit the premise that "the chemo made me do it", it still staggers belief that John Edwards felt he could run for -- and presumably serve as -- President (not "state senator." Not "county commissioner." Not even "Governor" or "US Senator". President of the United States, with all the 24/7/365 responsibility, scrutiny, and public-gawking-and-gossip that goes with that office) while dealing with the kind of extreme life-issues Claw describes (wife with chemo, plus secret life on the side). For a man to do so, as John Edwards did, is proof that he is simply not conversant with reality as I -- and, I believe, about 99.9% of the people in this country -- have experienced it.

Every man, woman and child on the face of this earth has a cross to bear. Some are heavier than others. But even if we stipulate that John Edwards' had the heaviest cross of anyone (just for the record, I think it was rather light, compared to most others'), that still does not change, IMHO, the fact that he is a world-class liar, sociopath, and narcissist. All of us -- regardless of party, ideology, or outlook -- who care about the state of politics in this country, would do well to consider what we can do to help insure that such people are -- to the greatest extent possible -- completely excluded from our public life.

(06-06-2011 01:24 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(06-06-2011 01:14 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  So.. again with the changing of subjects, rebel?

Who here is saying that Obama hasn't misspoke before? Who in this thread is going on about what a great job Obama's PR team is doing and what a brilliant narrative he's created? Obama and Biden get ripped on relentlessly (mostly in a comical fashion, mind you) for their missteps by liberals. Just because you don't watch liberal shows, or read liberal blogs, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Again, the entire thread started as an attack on Palin for making a gaffe. I'm pointing out hypocrisy. If you can't see that, you're obtuse.

Every time Obama makes a gaffe of any kind we read about it on this board. So someone posted a gaffe by a Republican. Big freaking deal. Get over it.

(06-06-2011 03:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Every time Obama makes a gaffe of any kind we read about it on this board. So someone posted a gaffe by a Republican. Big freaking deal. Get over it.

No one on here is defending Sarah as being some uber-genius like some libs on this board do for Obama.

There is little doubt that Palin is not a true conservative, small gov't type of person. She is an opportunist first and foremost, and she'll do everything she can to ensure her financial security for her and her family. It's no different than what Limbaugh, Hannity and all of the other talking heads on TV/radio. The liberal fools are no better - they just suck a lot harder at trying to make a living pushing the progressive agenda. Both sides suffer from a huge amount of group think. Look at how ALL the talking heads obsess over Palin and how "conservative" she is. She's not conservative, she's a populist. Wasn't one of her signature achievements to push the oil companies to pay more money to the state of Alaska so that she could redistribute the wealth? How is that conservative?

One of the people I respect the most wrt their political opinions is Charles Krauthammer. He is very astute and hits the nail on the head about Sarah. She quit her term as Alaska governor in order to "redefine herself". She quit, and there is nothing that will change that. And, when she had these 2 years to steep herself in domestic and foreign policy in order to make herself more serious of a candidate or a serious power broker in the GOP establishment, she decides to go in a different direction entirely and basically become a conservative media type. That is who she really is. Nothing wrong with it, everyone is entitled to earn a buck. But let's not project our conservative desires onto the basically blank canvass that is Sarah. This is no different than the liberals projecting their views on the blank canvas that is Barack.

(06-06-2011 03:52 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(06-06-2011 03:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Every time Obama makes a gaffe of any kind we read about it on this board. So someone posted a gaffe by a Republican. Big freaking deal. Get over it.

No one on here is defending Sarah as being some uber-genius like some libs on this board do for Obama.

Who has said Obama is a genius? I must have missed that one. Though I don't camp out on this board either.

(06-06-2011 04:11 PM)miko33 Wrote:  There is little doubt that Palin is not a true conservative, small gov't type of person. She is an opportunist first and foremost, and she'll do everything she can to ensure her financial security for her and her family. It's no different than what Limbaugh, Hannity and all of the other talking heads on TV/radio. The liberal fools are no better - they just suck a lot harder at trying to make a living pushing the progressive agenda. Both sides suffer from a huge amount of group think. Look at how ALL the talking heads obsess over Palin and how "conservative" she is. She's not conservative, she's a populist. Wasn't one of her signature achievements to push the oil companies to pay more money to the state of Alaska so that she could redistribute the wealth? How is that conservative?

One of the people I respect the most wrt their political opinions is Charles Krauthammer. He is very astute and hits the nail on the head about Sarah. She quit her term as Alaska governor in order to "redefine herself". She quit, and there is nothing that will change that. And, when she had these 2 years to steep herself in domestic and foreign policy in order to make herself more serious of a candidate or a serious power broker in the GOP establishment, she decides to go in a different direction entirely and basically become a conservative media type. That is who she really is. Nothing wrong with it, everyone is entitled to earn a buck. But let's not project our conservative desires onto the basically blank canvass that is Sarah. This is no different than the liberals projecting their views on the blank canvas that is Barack.

Agreed. She's more prepared to be a fund raiser than a President. If she plays her cards right and impresses the right people, she'll be the most important asset to someone's campaign and she stands to make even more money off of that.

(06-06-2011 05:33 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Who has said Obama is a genius? I must have missed that one. Though I don't camp out on this board either.

Are you serious?

Also, the MSM plays up ANY gaffe by Palin CONSTANTLY. They did the same thing to Bush. Obama? You don't hear a PEEP out of the MSM and if you do, they're trying to downplay it or defend it, "The President was obviously very tired". THAT'S the type of partisan bull**** I'm talking about. If they gave an accurate account and fair and balanced approach to the news (I know, journalistic integrity, WHAT A CONCEPT!), you wouldn't have people on hear doing the **** I'm doing right now. ...but they don't and neither do most liberals. I.e. Redwing.

(06-06-2011 03:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  So someone posted a gaffe by a Republican. Big freaking deal. Get over it.

Except she didn't make a gaffe.

Damn Tom, what is wrong with you? Why do you find it so difficult to man up when your wrong and move on?

(06-06-2011 06:56 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(06-06-2011 03:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  So someone posted a gaffe by a Republican. Big freaking deal. Get over it.

Except she didn't make a gaffe.

Sorry Paul...She did. Anyone with better than an 8th grade education knows that she simply was dumb-lucky with her comments. She was totally unprepared and did no research on the topic that she spouted off upon.

I would suggest to her to do as she has done in the past....Write some sh!t on her hand as a reminder.

She is a dim bulb....and....so is Obama. They should join up and make a 25 watt.

She was clearly talking about his encounter with his British captors. Her comments might not be worthy of publishing for the purpose of educating but I'm not seeing were she was factually incorrect. He did warn the Brits.

Paul Revere wasn't actually the crucial part to that ride to warn the colonists. It was a black man by the name of Wentworth Cheswell:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wentworth_Cheswell

BTW libs, you can thank Glenn Beck for that. The public edumacation system doesn't teach it. Can't have black people thinking they had a hand in creating this great nation. Since the NEA is ran by the left, they'd ruin their entitlement-minded voter base.

You "open-minded" guys really need to see Beck's episodes on "Black Founders". If you are fair-minded, you'll be PISSED the hell OFF at the RE-writing of history.

(06-06-2011 10:58 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Paul Revere wasn't actually the crucial part to that ride to warn the colonists. It was a black man by the name of Wentworth Cheswell:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wentworth_Cheswell

BTW libs, you can thank Glenn Beck for that. The public edumacation system doesn't teach it. Can't have black people thinking they had a hand in creating this great nation. Since the NEA is ran by the left, they'd ruin their entitlement-minded voter base.

(06-06-2011 10:59 PM)Rebel Wrote:  You "open-minded" guys really need to see Beck's episodes on "Black Founders". If you are fair-minded, you'll be PISSED the hell OFF at the RE-writing of history.

Beck is where I learned of Cheswell. Black Founders had really good stories.

(06-06-2011 10:59 PM)Rebel Wrote:  You "open-minded" guys really need to see Beck's episodes on "Black Founders". If you are fair-minded, you'll be PISSED the hell OFF at the RE-writing of history.

I was still watching Beck back then, it was almost right before he kind of changed his image and became to preachy. But he did give good lessons that history has forgotten.

We got 4 and a half dollar gas, 9.1% unemployment and we are 15 trillion in debt. Yet the media is focused on grilling a private citizen on a vacation mispeaking and making it a story. I don't see the media asking Obama about the war powers act and the need to get congressional authorization for military force in libya. Why can't Obama produce a plan to reform entilements? When are we gonna balance the budget and how are we gonna do it? The media is f-ing around. They need to get the country focused on addressing its problems. I don't think Palin is running. Its more entertainment than substance. She would need to give speaches and articulate plans and give good answers. The media is asking her dumb questions. Who cares about Paul Revere. Asking Palin about how she would create jobs in the energy sector. She should be touring strip coal mines and oil rigs and telling workers they would be back in business under her administration. She should talk about the energy jobs available in the gulf coast if they drill 50 miles from the shore. She should be talking about how many jobs her administration would create. She should be saying that if Iran doesn't stand down their nuclear program we will come and take their oil after we destroy their nuclear capacity.