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(06-04-2011 12:54 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Well, if you take fact (would be a first for you) as a defense...
The FACT is he bitched about Obama running up the debt but not Reagan.
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(06-04-2011 01:06 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(06-04-2011 01:00 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-03-2011 07:45 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(06-03-2011 07:19 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  Your president found and put an end to a man who was the brains behind a mass murder in the USA and all around the world while Bush gave up because he was to busy counting money. Really sick to give up on all those people who lost loved ones, Bush looked them in the eye and promised but failed only because he quit. OBAMA&CLINTON 2012!

What evidence do you have of that last bit concerning quitting? I could see if you said that he didn't go in to win, but that's a whole lot different than quitting.
Wait a second. Are you REALLY telling us that you don't believe that Palin quit on Alaska? Really? I thought you actually lived in the real world. Apparently not. You now go into the SOAF category of "brain dead".

Moron.

Edit: "brain dead" moron.
If it isn't quitting, then what is it when you leave office mid term?
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(06-04-2011 02:12 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-04-2011 01:06 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(06-04-2011 01:00 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-03-2011 07:45 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(06-03-2011 07:19 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  Your president found and put an end to a man who was the brains behind a mass murder in the USA and all around the world while Bush gave up because he was to busy counting money. Really sick to give up on all those people who lost loved ones, Bush looked them in the eye and promised but failed only because he quit. OBAMA&CLINTON 2012!

What evidence do you have of that last bit concerning quitting? I could see if you said that he didn't go in to win, but that's a whole lot different than quitting.
Wait a second. Are you REALLY telling us that you don't believe that Palin quit on Alaska? Really? I thought you actually lived in the real world. Apparently not. You now go into the SOAF category of "brain dead".

Moron.

Edit: "brain dead" moron.
If it isn't quitting, then what is it when you leave office mid term?

Again, moron. I highlighted the relevant parts for you, moron. cardshouse was talking about Bush. nomad was talking about Bush. If you want to address Bush, fine. As usual, your in your own little world talking to yourself about Palin.
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Lets drag up that old dead horse of Palin "quitting". Your revisionary history, for the brain dead mendacious, needs some facts besides your wild lies daftness.

Palin is the most polarizing women in American politics. Arguably the most hated by the stupid, ignorant liberals that will end up in the scrapheap of American history and culture. Palin simply left office for the good of the people of Alaska. She had to defend lawsuit after frivolous lawsuit until she could not do the job anymore. She was never found guilty of anything. At least Palin showed some courage when leaving. Not like how the disgraced Bill Clinton left the office of the Presidency. That morally bankrupt, adulterous, lying, cut a deal to avoid prosecution, POS you liberals find so attractive. Are you kidding me, you aholes are still carrying that cretin's water. You Yankees would like to see his d1ck bronzed. The only thing Yanks would like better is if it was bronzed at taxpayer expense. Pathetic.

What is amusing is Palin, more than any politician in history, held the BIG OIL guy's feet to the fire. She recovered BILLIONS. Billions I say. Liberals despise BIG OIL. Liberals despise Palin....... Liberals despise BIG OIL. Liberals despise Palin. A conundrum, I tell ya. Got the Liberal useful idiots chasing their tails. Not an uncommon sight.
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(06-04-2011 02:49 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Lets drag up that old dead horse of Palin "quitting". Your revisionary history, for the brain dead mendacious, needs some facts besides your wild lies daftness.

Palin is the most polarizing women in American politics. Arguably the most hated by the stupid, ignorant liberals that will end up in the scrapheap of American history and culture. Palin simply left office for the good of the people of Alaska. She had to defend lawsuit after frivolous lawsuit until she could not do the job anymore. She was never found guilty of anything. At least Palin showed some courage when leaving. Not like how the disgraced Bill Clinton left the office of the Presidency. That morally bankrupt, adulterous, lying, cut a deal to avoid prosecution, POS you liberals find so attractive. Are you kidding me, you aholes are still carrying that cretin's water. You Yankees would like to see his d1ck bronzed. The only thing Yanks would like better is if it was bronzed at taxpayer expense. Pathetic.

What is amusing is Palin, more than any politician in history, held the BIG OIL guy's feet to the fire. She recovered BILLIONS. Billions I say. Liberals despise BIG OIL. Liberals despise Palin....... Liberals despise BIG OIL. Liberals despise Palin. A conundrum, I tell ya. Got the Liberal useful idiots chasing their tails. Not an uncommon sight.

Well I know who you hate.
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(06-04-2011 01:47 PM)RobertN Wrote:  03-lmfao Yeah, that model will work just fine. Except we are already exporting jobs doing high end-high margin work. Want to try again?

Duh, that was my point.

So we need to figure out why those jobs are leaving (or more correctly never coming here in the first place), instead of blaming everything on China's wage rates. Do you really believe that our future depends on sewing our own Nikes? If it does, then we are in far worse shape than anyone has imagined.

One other point, you keep bringing up this absurd notion that somehow corporations want child labor. Child labor is maybe useful for sewing up Nikes, but not for the types of industries we need to attract.
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(06-04-2011 12:51 PM)RobertN Wrote:  So glad you didn't defend Reagan by saying "well at least he didn't run it up as much as Obama".

I did not realize pointing out that Obama has been worse than Regan as a debt president was a defense of Regan... Then again to an obama bot any criticism is racism..
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(06-05-2011 12:40 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-04-2011 01:47 PM)RobertN Wrote:  03-lmfao Yeah, that model will work just fine. Except we are already exporting jobs doing high end-high margin work. Want to try again?

Duh, that was my point.

So we need to figure out why those jobs are leaving (or more correctly never coming here in the first place), instead of blaming everything on China's wage rates. Do you really believe that our future depends on sewing our own Nikes? If it does, then we are in far worse shape than anyone has imagined.

One other point, you keep bringing up this absurd notion that somehow corporations want child labor. Child labor is maybe useful for sewing up Nikes, but not for the types of industries we need to attract.
Maybe because the American consumer market is in decline and the Asain and other consumer markets are on the rise? You want to produce where the money is. Then why are so many Republicans for eliminating child labor laws if these aren't the jobs we want to attract? I think these are EXACTLY the types of jobs that Republicans want to attract. With a less educated population, these would be the kind of jobs that would fit perfectly with the population.
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RE: The Obama Economic Recovery Is The Worst Since The Great Depression
(06-05-2011 01:52 AM)RobertN Wrote:  
(06-05-2011 12:40 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(06-04-2011 01:47 PM)RobertN Wrote:  03-lmfao Yeah, that model will work just fine. Except we are already exporting jobs doing high end-high margin work. Want to try again?
Duh, that was my point.
So we need to figure out why those jobs are leaving (or more correctly never coming here in the first place), instead of blaming everything on China's wage rates. Do you really believe that our future depends on sewing our own Nikes? If it does, then we are in far worse shape than anyone has imagined.
One other point, you keep bringing up this absurd notion that somehow corporations want child labor. Child labor is maybe useful for sewing up Nikes, but not for the types of industries we need to attract.
Maybe because the American consumer market is in decline and the Asain and other consumer markets are on the rise? You want to produce where the money is. Then why are so many Republicans for eliminating child labor laws if these aren't the jobs we want to attract? I think these are EXACTLY the types of jobs that Republicans want to attract. With a less educated population, these would be the kind of jobs that would fit perfectly with the population.

We are the largest importer in the world. If our consumer market is in decline, it obviously has not yet declined enough to be the driving factor here. It's not our consumer side that's the problem, it's our producer side. We are not producing massive amounts of goods that we cannot consume; we are consuming massive amounts of goods we do not produce. We've treated every economic problem for at least 50 years by stimulating consumption; we need to stimulate the supply side. Even Keynes says you have to do that to keep things in balance.

Who is for eliminating child labor laws? I mean names of specific individuals. I've heard nothing about this. And in today's media climate, I cannot imagine one republican saying anything like that without it being all over the news.
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Roberts constant child labor posts are so absurd, even from him, that no one has bothered to engage him in the topic. He and he alone has latched onto this.

Like most of what he posts, even he can't possible believe it. He just likes trolling.
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Yeah, the whole child labor part is pretty absurd, even for Robert. But I disagree on one thing, I think he actually believes most of that crap. There are people out there who have it that wrong.

But the supply side/demand side hits on our real problem. We've focused on demand side and ignored supply side for at least 80 years, and those chickens are coming home to roost. This economy is not coming back until we fix the supply side. Obama has no intention of doing that. So far, neither apparently do republicans.
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Debt "Can" be a good thing or for a better term a "manageable" thing. I always bought the argument that you can run up debt if the debt increases your income or increases your wealth. I know the blowhards like to trumpet the stimulus failed. I remember when this type of argument was reversed and the reason you can't say it failed is because we wouldn't know the alternative. Things have stabilized. No ifs, ands, or buts, about it. The stock market has recovered. Anyone with a hint of honesty in their bones would admit that.

Now going forward. This is a whole different can of worms. Did we get the bang for our buck? Taking off the partisan glasses. I can make arguments either way. Will there be a QE3?

Here's wheres my mind is at. OBL wanted to bankrupt us by drawing us into asymmetrical wars. We now have 3. 2 and a half? What did Obama call it? A kinetic something in Libya. I think about the expanse of govt. with Homeland Security. I bitched about this before to deaf ears. You can not drive on Rte 2 around the Sandusky, Oh area without running into Border Patrol SUV's. WTF!!! Why aren't these guys down in Texas. Where they have a border problem. We could go on for hours with this stuff. The govt. grew on STEROIDS during the Bush era and THEY CUT TAXES. The seeds were sewn then. Now this is just me, call me crazy, but if I'm going to blow some coin I would much rather do this in Ohio or one of the other 56 (lol) states. I can't stand the fact that some of you would rather build a bridge in Fallujah than Peoria. Call me crazy.
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(06-05-2011 08:12 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Yeah, the whole child labor part is pretty absurd, even for Robert. But I disagree on one thing, I think he actually believes most of that crap. There are people out there who have it that wrong.

But the supply side/demand side hits on our real problem. We've focused on demand side and ignored supply side for at least 80 years, and those chickens are coming home to roost. This economy is not coming back until we fix the supply side. Obama has no intention of doing that. So far, neither apparently do republicans.

Yep, supply side desperately needs fixing.
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(06-05-2011 08:59 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Debt "Can" be a good thing or for a better term a "manageable" thing. I always bought the argument that you can run up debt if the debt increases your income or increases your wealth. I know the blowhards like to trumpet the stimulus failed. I remember when this type of argument was reversed and the reason you can't say it failed is because we wouldn't know the alternative. Things have stabilized. No ifs, ands, or buts, about it. The stock market has recovered. Anyone with a hint of honesty in their bones would admit that.

I can't stand the fact that some of you would rather build a bridge in Fallujah than Peoria. Call me crazy.

What world do you inhabit Mach?
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(06-05-2011 09:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  
(06-05-2011 08:59 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Debt "Can" be a good thing or for a better term a "manageable" thing. I always bought the argument that you can run up debt if the debt increases your income or increases your wealth. I know the blowhards like to trumpet the stimulus failed. I remember when this type of argument was reversed and the reason you can't say it failed is because we wouldn't know the alternative. Things have stabilized. No ifs, ands, or buts, about it. The stock market has recovered. Anyone with a hint of honesty in their bones would admit that.

I can't stand the fact that some of you would rather build a bridge in Fallujah than Peoria. Call me crazy.

What world do you inhabit Mach?
He lives in the REAL world.
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(06-05-2011 09:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  
(06-05-2011 08:59 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Debt "Can" be a good thing or for a better term a "manageable" thing. I always bought the argument that you can run up debt if the debt increases your income or increases your wealth. I know the blowhards like to trumpet the stimulus failed. I remember when this type of argument was reversed and the reason you can't say it failed is because we wouldn't know the alternative. Things have stabilized. No ifs, ands, or buts, about it. The stock market has recovered. Anyone with a hint of honesty in their bones would admit that.

I can't stand the fact that some of you would rather build a bridge in Fallujah than Peoria. Call me crazy.

What world do you inhabit Mach?

Fantasy land. Where the stimulus worked, he can actually coach football and you and I are both on ignore.

Note the stupidity in how he tries to defend the stimulus. Things have stabilized, ergo the stimulus must be why. Problem is the stimulus wasn't sold on stabilizing the economy. It was sold on growing it. It was sold on unemployment wouldn't go over 8% if it was passed.

He then tries to argue the economy has stabilized. Really? Unemployment rising, inflation rising, housing prices continuing to drop is not stabilization. Stabilization would mean things weren't getting worse, and they are.

Dipsh!ts like mach will go to any lengths to defend Obama because they simply can't accept when they are wrong. And when it's shown to be an incontrovertable fact that they are, they have to lie and obfuscate to try and hide it. Obviously he is completely void of any of that "hint of honesty in the bones," since in light of the facts he continues to ignore reality and defend what is indefensible.

It's great entertainment. 03-lmfao
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(06-05-2011 12:14 PM)RobertN Wrote:  He lives in the REAL world.

The real world? Economic policies you moonbats have supported have destroyed this economy. Now it looks like Obama's advisers are finally wising up to what we've been saying for 4 f'n years:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/...-recovery/

So, who are the fools here? Idiots like you that think his policies are what this nation needs, when clearly they're harming the economy? I'd say hell yes.
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(06-05-2011 12:38 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(06-05-2011 09:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  
(06-05-2011 08:59 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Debt "Can" be a good thing or for a better term a "manageable" thing. I always bought the argument that you can run up debt if the debt increases your income or increases your wealth. I know the blowhards like to trumpet the stimulus failed. I remember when this type of argument was reversed and the reason you can't say it failed is because we wouldn't know the alternative. Things have stabilized. No ifs, ands, or buts, about it. The stock market has recovered. Anyone with a hint of honesty in their bones would admit that.

I can't stand the fact that some of you would rather build a bridge in Fallujah than Peoria. Call me crazy.

What world do you inhabit Mach?

Fantasy land. Where the stimulus worked, he can actually coach football and you and I are both on ignore.

Note the stupidity in how he tries to defend the stimulus. Things have stabilized, ergo the stimulus must be why. Problem is the stimulus wasn't sold on stabilizing the economy. It was sold on growing it. It was sold on unemployment wouldn't go over 8% if it was passed.

He then tries to argue the economy has stabilized. Really? Unemployment rising, inflation rising, housing prices continuing to drop is not stabilization. Stabilization would mean things weren't getting worse, and they are.

Dipsh!ts like mach will go to any lengths to defend Obama because they simply can't accept when they are wrong. And when it's shown to be an incontrovertable fact that they are, they have to lie and obfuscate to try and hide it. Obviously he is completely void of any of that "hint of honesty in the bones," since in light of the facts he continues to ignore reality and defend what is indefensible.

It's great entertainment. 03-lmfao

Their psychosis is great entrainment, but also sadly pathetic.
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(06-05-2011 12:38 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(06-05-2011 09:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  
(06-05-2011 08:59 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Debt "Can" be a good thing or for a better term a "manageable" thing. I always bought the argument that you can run up debt if the debt increases your income or increases your wealth. I know the blowhards like to trumpet the stimulus failed. I remember when this type of argument was reversed and the reason you can't say it failed is because we wouldn't know the alternative. Things have stabilized. No ifs, ands, or buts, about it. The stock market has recovered. Anyone with a hint of honesty in their bones would admit that.

I can't stand the fact that some of you would rather build a bridge in Fallujah than Peoria. Call me crazy.

What world do you inhabit Mach?

Fantasy land. Where the stimulus worked, he can actually coach football and you and I are both on ignore.

Note the stupidity in how he tries to defend the stimulus. Things have stabilized, ergo the stimulus must be why. Problem is the stimulus wasn't sold on stabilizing the economy. It was sold on growing it. It was sold on unemployment wouldn't go over 8% if it was passed.

He then tries to argue the economy has stabilized. Really? Unemployment rising, inflation rising, housing prices continuing to drop is not stabilization. Stabilization would mean things weren't getting worse, and they are.

Dipsh!ts like mach will go to any lengths to defend Obama because they simply can't accept when they are wrong. And when it's shown to be an incontrovertable fact that they are, they have to lie and obfuscate to try and hide it. Obviously he is completely void of any of that "hint of honesty in the bones," since in light of the facts he continues to ignore reality and defend what is indefensible.

It's great entertainment. 03-lmfao
Yep the unemployment is going back up. Do you have any clue as to why? Could it be that the stimulus money to keep teachers employed is running out and teachers are getting cut by the hundreds-even thousands. Look it up. Look up New Jersey. Look up virtually any other state. When you have a wholesale lauoff of government workers and there are no jobs available in the private sector, the unemployment is bound to rise. Which is why your idea of wholesale cutting of government will actually drag the country into a depression. When you cut(which will have to happen to cut the deficit), you do it slowly not all at once-unless your aim is to destroy the economy to make the President look like he is doing a bad job(which I personally believe is part of why all these teachers are being let go. It is an attempt to drag the country down so Republicans will be elected).
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(06-05-2011 12:38 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(06-05-2011 12:14 PM)RobertN Wrote:  He lives in the REAL world.

The real world? Economic policies you moonbats have supported have destroyed this economy. Now it looks like Obama's advisers are finally wising up to what we've been saying for 4 f'n years:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/...-recovery/

So, who are the fools here? Idiots like you that think his policies are what this nation needs, when clearly they're harming the economy? I'd say hell yes.
THe article doesn't say that. Not sure where you are getting this idea from.
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