(06-02-2011 01:35 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 01:22 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 01:17 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Actually, I am mocking these guys for their hypocrisy. :) At least you are being honest!

Again, limited government =/= NO government, fool. How about paying the damn first responders LESS than 100+ THOUSAND dollars per year? They have budget problems alright. ...and they have to do with unions, overhead, and other bloat. To say, "we weren't trained" only tells me they're ******* who should all be fired. This is the difference between liberals and conservatives.

Maybe we should just pay them minimum waage? THat way they only "steal" a little of your money. Actually, if you had your way, there would be NO minimum wage and they could pay the guy a dollar a day! Moron.

No, they'd be paid what they're worth, market value. Many towns have volunteer fire depts.

(06-02-2011 01:35 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 01:22 PM)Rebel Wrote:  How about paying the damn first responders LESS than 100+ THOUSAND dollars per year?

Maybe we should just pay them minimum waage?

I'm no mathematician, but I believe there exists a very wide spectrum between $7.25/hour and $100K+.

C'mon now. This is dictionary definition of strawman arguing.

This story reminded me of another incident not to far back: Firefighters Let Home Burn Down

When I read the article, I was thinking about Atlas Shrugged and two parts.

One was when the railroad cars were about to enter the mountain and no one would accept responsibility for making a decision concerning the safety of entering.

The other was D'Anconia and when he leaped to put out the fire in Readen's steel plant.

(06-02-2011 12:24 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 12:07 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  You wouldn't understand the concept of duty. Or courage for that matter. Cowardly bastards, all you know is the tit.

I understand those things(courage and duty) just fine. Now what about my post? THey were cutting spending. THe person was making decisions for himself without government intrusion. That sure sounds like what you guys say you want. Now you get angry because I wrote your philosophy?

Btw, I like tits. Though, I prefer smaller tits vs big monster size ones. :)

The spending cuts were not what stopped them from going into waste deep water, bureaucracy did that! This was not the Niagara river and as many posters said there are beaches in the area where grown men take their kids.

An untrained passer by was 'trained' enough to retrieve the body.

(06-02-2011 01:23 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 01:22 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Um, I am mocking you guys. You do realize that, right? You guys want individual accountability and less government. Now you flip-flop and complain that the government didn't spend enough money or do enough to save the man.

You have the reading comprehension of Slingblade.

Quote:

Quote:I Sure hope you don't mean that /Slingblade

(06-02-2011 01:44 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 01:35 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 01:22 PM)Rebel Wrote:  How about paying the damn first responders LESS than 100+ THOUSAND dollars per year?

Maybe we should just pay them minimum waage?

I'm no mathematician, but I believe there exists a very wide spectrum between $7.25/hour and $100K+.

C'mon now. This is dictionary definition of strawman arguing.

Not really. Many on this board would actually think that is appropriate pay. Actually, many on here would argue that we should do away with the minimum wage which wuld allow for them to make less. THe more they cabn save on their taxes, the better.

(06-05-2011 11:52 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Not really. Many on this board would actually think that is appropriate pay. Actually, many on here would argue that we should do away with the minimum wage which wuld allow for them to make less. THe more they cabn save on their taxes, the better.

I call BS.... Your inability to understand the term *limited* government does not constrain others..

Who on this board does not thing Almeda should have a publicly financed fire department? Anyone?

(06-05-2011 11:19 PM)chess Wrote:  When I read the article, I was thinking about Atlas Shrugged and two parts.

One was when the railroad cars were about to enter the mountain and no one would accept responsibility for making a decision concerning the safety of entering.

The other was D'Anconia and when he leaped to put out the fire in Readen's steel plant.

Most people on this board think about Atlas Shrugged day and night. They even have dreams about it when they sleep. Sometimes they find a mess in the morning.

(06-06-2011 12:03 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 11:52 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Not really. Many on this board would actually think that is appropriate pay. Actually, many on here would argue that we should do away with the minimum wage which wuld allow for them to make less. THe more they cabn save on their taxes, the better.

I call BS.... Your inability to understand the term *limited* government does not constrain others..

Who on this board does not thing Almeda should have a publicly financed fire department? Anyone?

'Fo.

(06-06-2011 01:01 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-06-2011 12:03 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(06-05-2011 11:52 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Not really. Many on this board would actually think that is appropriate pay. Actually, many on here would argue that we should do away with the minimum wage which wuld allow for them to make less. THe more they cabn save on their taxes, the better.

I call BS.... Your inability to understand the term *limited* government does not constrain others..

Who on this board does not thing Almeda should have a publicly financed fire department? Anyone?

'Fo.

1) Let Fo' speak for him self
2) Fo', even if he does think that, is not "Many on This Board"...

You still smell of BS on this one..

I think we should do away with minimum wage. Not for first responders, but for Wal-mart, McDonalds, Subway, and gas station type jobs. Let the market determine what a high school kid should get paid. And yes I know that there are people who stock shelves at Wal-mart as their career, but that doesn't mean they should be paid more than the college kid working over at Target doing it as part time work. I have no problem with first responders making $50-$75K depending on experience and location. I think that is fair for the training, knowledge, and risk their job entails.

(06-09-2011 10:40 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  I think we should do away with minimum wage. Not for first responders, but for Wal-mart, McDonalds, Subway, and gas station type jobs. Let the market determine what a high school kid should get paid. And yes I know that there are people who stock shelves at Wal-mart as their career, but that doesn't mean they should be paid more than the college kid working over at Target doing it as part time work. I have no problem with first responders making $50-$75K depending on experience and location. I think that is fair for the training, knowledge, and risk their job entails.

While we are at it just do away with child labor laws, drug laws, and moral or social laws, immigration laws, banking laws, environmental laws, education laws, OSHA, Corps and Taxes. Put human nature in the drivers seat as Fo would have you believe.

(06-09-2011 10:40 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  I think we should do away with minimum wage. Not for first responders, but for Wal-mart, McDonalds, Subway, and gas station type jobs. Let the market determine what a high school kid should get paid. And yes I know that there are people who stock shelves at Wal-mart as their career, but that doesn't mean they should be paid more than the college kid working over at Target doing it as part time work. I have no problem with first responders making $50-$75K depending on experience and location. I think that is fair for the training, knowledge, and risk their job entails.

The markets wouldn't determine a damn thing. It would be the corporations determining the wages. THis is why 'Fo and the other nuts on here that think like him live in a fantasy world. Maybe you should try working that Covo gig you used to have at $3.00 an hour(or less)? I am sure you would have been delighted.

(06-10-2011 12:33 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-09-2011 10:40 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  I think we should do away with minimum wage. Not for first responders, but for Wal-mart, McDonalds, Subway, and gas station type jobs. Let the market determine what a high school kid should get paid. And yes I know that there are people who stock shelves at Wal-mart as their career, but that doesn't mean they should be paid more than the college kid working over at Target doing it as part time work. I have no problem with first responders making $50-$75K depending on experience and location. I think that is fair for the training, knowledge, and risk their job entails.

While we are at it just do away with child labor laws, drug laws, and moral or social laws, immigration laws, banking laws, environmental laws, education laws, OSHA, Corps and Taxes. Put human nature in the drivers seat as Fo would have you believe.

We can be the next China! You guys really are morons aren't you?

(06-10-2011 12:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  We can be the next China! You guys really are morons aren't you?

Rest easy Bob. Nobody around here can even approach you on the moron scale. Your status is safe.

(06-10-2011 12:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  We can be the next China!

In case you haven't noticed, China is becoming the next United States.

(06-10-2011 02:00 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-10-2011 12:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  We can be the next China!

In case you haven't noticed, China is becoming the next United States.

There are two kinds of people in the world, those with loaded guns, and those who dig,

(06-10-2011 03:05 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-10-2011 02:00 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-10-2011 12:50 PM)RobertN Wrote:  We can be the next China!

In case you haven't noticed, China is becoming the next United States.

There are two kinds of people in the world, those with loaded guns, and those who dig,

If you shoot me you won't see a cent of that money.

(06-10-2011 12:48 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-09-2011 10:40 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  I think we should do away with minimum wage. Not for first responders, but for Wal-mart, McDonalds, Subway, and gas station type jobs. Let the market determine what a high school kid should get paid. And yes I know that there are people who stock shelves at Wal-mart as their career, but that doesn't mean they should be paid more than the college kid working over at Target doing it as part time work. I have no problem with first responders making $50-$75K depending on experience and location. I think that is fair for the training, knowledge, and risk their job entails.

The markets wouldn't determine a damn thing. It would be the corporations determining the wages. THis is why 'Fo and the other nuts on here that think like him live in a fantasy world. Maybe you should try working that Covo gig you used to have at $3.00 an hour(or less)? I am sure you would have been delighted.

Problem is, the market has determined that stagehands make around $15 an hour. I don't work any union calls and get paid from $13-33 per hour. So the market did determine that wage, which is fair.