Mexican American Legal Defense Fund founder Mario Obledo stated, “California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't like it should leave. Every constitutional office in California is going to be held by Hispanics in the next 20 years.” People who don't like such demographic changes “should go back to Europe.” (Incidentally, Mr. Obledo was also the California Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare under Gov. Jerry Brown.)

Mexico's President Fox has been unrelenting in his brazen demands on the United States, starting with open borders even before he was elected. He has called for the border to be “a joining line.” His visits to the U.S. have been filled with endless requirements for Mexican citizens illegally in this country — free healthcare, taxpayer-subsidized in-state tuition for illegals at state colleges and universities, guestworker programs and amnesty for all.

Why do American public officials value so little what thousands have fought and died to protect? A foreign power has stated its plans to conquer this nation by demographic warfare, but in Washington, apparently no one cares. One wonders what Secretary of State Colin Powell thinks about surrending American sovereignty to a foreign power. He was a general in the U.S. Army and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, after all. Doesn't it bother him to be following the wishes of a foreign leader? Why does the most powerful nation in the world cower before the third-world country to the south?

You know what... just like the last rebellion... let them them revolt, and then send Federal Troops in to crush the Mexican Terrorists.

(06-01-2011 06:59 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  You know what... just like the last rebellion... let them them revolt, and then send Federal Troops in to crush the Mexican Terrorists.

When will our leaders have the stomach for that? We are in a civil war they have declared on Americans. They plan to defeat us from within, and if you don't like it go back to Europe.

1. California is lost. We need to fence it off from the rest of the country.

2. Where are the original Mexican people? i don't mean the ones that speak European Spanish and practice European Catholicism? Those people wne to Mexico when white folks hit the shores of America. Where are the original beaners? They're gone. Mexico's culture is just as old as ours - either by comparing their indians to ours our their settlers to ours. FU Mexico.

3. OK, let's give California to Mexico, does anyone really believe it wont turn into a corrupt cesspool just like Mexico is now?

4. The problem with American leaders is that they have ZERO respect for Americans and bow down to those that aren't. F them too.

(06-01-2011 07:57 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  OK, let's give California to Mexico, does anyone really believe it wont turn into a corrupt cesspool just like Mexico is now?

What do you mean, "turn into"?

(06-01-2011 08:29 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-01-2011 07:57 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  OK, let's give California to Mexico, does anyone really believe it wont turn into a corrupt cesspool just like Mexico is now?

What do you mean, "turn into"?

You think giving California to the Mexicans,that that would be their last territoriality demand?

(06-01-2011 08:39 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-01-2011 08:29 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-01-2011 07:57 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  OK, let's give California to Mexico, does anyone really believe it wont turn into a corrupt cesspool just like Mexico is now?

What do you mean, "turn into"?

You think giving California to the Mexicans,that that would be their last territoriality demand?

No, I mean it's news to me that California is not already a corrupt cesspool. It doesn't need to do any turning into.

(06-01-2011 08:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-01-2011 08:39 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-01-2011 08:29 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-01-2011 07:57 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  OK, let's give California to Mexico, does anyone really believe it wont turn into a corrupt cesspool just like Mexico is now?

What do you mean, "turn into"?

You think giving California to the Mexicans,that that would be their last territoriality demand?

No, I mean it's news to me that California is not already a corrupt cesspool. It doesn't need to do any turning into.

It's F'ed up but not corrupt like Chicago or New Orleans. They mostly follow the law but the laws are screwed up.

(06-01-2011 08:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-01-2011 08:39 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-01-2011 08:29 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-01-2011 07:57 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  OK, let's give California to Mexico, does anyone really believe it wont turn into a corrupt cesspool just like Mexico is now?

What do you mean, "turn into"?

You think giving California to the Mexicans,that that would be their last territoriality demand?

No, I mean it's news to me that California is not already a corrupt cesspool. It doesn't need to do any turning into.

You didn't get the irony in the words I chose. Been doin' this for a while, what you just took me off ignore. Oops guess I was quoted.

I love the digs against Chicago on this board.. I often wonder what you think it's actually like up here. I just see you guys picturing a Mad Max post - apocalypse disaster area the way you refer to it. As if there's no law and order and it's just madness.

(06-02-2011 03:30 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  I love the digs against Chicago on this board.. I often wonder what you think it's actually like up here. I just see you guys picturing a Mad Max post - apocalypse disaster area the way you refer to it. As if there's no law and order and it's just madness.

Don't know what it's like....just know what I read online, in the papers, see on the news, Blago, Daly, Obama, Capone...

(06-02-2011 03:30 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  I just see you guys picturing a Mad Max post - apocalypse disaster area the way you refer to it. As if there's no law and order and it's just madness.

:)

(06-02-2011 03:30 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  I love the digs against Chicago on this board.. I often wonder what you think it's actually like up here. I just see you guys picturing a Mad Max post - apocalypse disaster area the way you refer to it. As if there's no law and order and it's just madness.

Well, to be honest, not every city closes down a beach over Memorial Day because of their inability to control the gangs, and then says it is because of the "weather."

(06-02-2011 03:30 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  I love the digs against Chicago on this board.. I often wonder what you think it's actually like up here. I just see you guys picturing a Mad Max post - apocalypse disaster area the way you refer to it. As if there's no law and order and it's just madness.

Yeah, Chicago is the only place that gets stereotyped on this board.

Friends, I was offered a promotion and a relocation back to Chicago from my old company, and I turned it down. Not totally because a of Minneapolis, but more of a "I certainly don't want to return to Chicago."

(06-02-2011 03:33 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 03:30 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  I love the digs against Chicago on this board.. I often wonder what you think it's actually like up here. I just see you guys picturing a Mad Max post - apocalypse disaster area the way you refer to it. As if there's no law and order and it's just madness.

Don't know what it's like....just know what I read online, in the papers, see on the news, Blago, Daly, Obama, Capone...

I think that was pretty clear. And unless you count the fact the Green Mill is still open, I don't know how Capone is relevant.


What didn't you like about it Stanley? Been to Minneapolis.. one of the few cities I would consider moving to, but that was only because I felt as home there as I do Chicago.

(06-02-2011 04:15 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  What didn't you like about it Stanley? Been to Minneapolis.. one of the few cities I would consider moving to, but that was only because I felt as home there as I do Chicago.

It's not that I don't like the idea of Chicago, which I would describe in so many words as the Great City of Big Shoulders Gleaming on the Lake, it was that the reality of Chicagoland proper was much more frustrating than a leisurely stroll around Buckingham Fountain before having dinner at Ginos.

Maybe a better way to describe what I didn't like about Chicago was that Minneapolis was less gritty, less dirty, less expensive, less crowded and not as dangerous.

Now that reality hasn't been 100% borne out for me in Minneapolis over the last 6 years; I've been burgularized, I've had a car window broken, and just this week a garage on my block was burned down by punk kids, so it's not perfect up here. And I live in what would be described by any Minneapolitan as a perfectly safe, middle class neighborhood. It's just city livin' I guess.

I live in the city proper, in an original 1914 Mission style house with golf course view and within 5 min walk of a lake. Is that (normally) possible in Chicago? Or even Chicagoland? It would not have been possible for me if I returned, that's for sure. We would probably be looking at a condo in far west Naperville, or maybe a small house in St. Charles / Geneva etc along the Fox River corridor. Not what I was looking forward to, considering my company was in Oakbrook.

Simply put, the quality of life that I have here vs having in Chicagoland is quite measurable to my family and I. It was a no brainer.

If you are ever up here, drop me a line. I'll give you the tour.

What the hell makes them think it won't turn into a shithole exactly like the one they left? It didn't become a shithole because of the terrain. It became a shithole because of the attitude of the people, the same attitude DISPLAYED by the Socialist idiots. Liberals astonish me. They NEVER learn. They **** up their areas, get tired of the taxes and policies, and then leave for the suburbs or another state (read Colorado, Washington State, etc.). When they arrive they do the SAME stupid **** they did in the place they just left. If there's a better definition of clinically insane, I can't think of it.

(06-02-2011 05:22 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 04:15 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  What didn't you like about it Stanley? Been to Minneapolis.. one of the few cities I would consider moving to, but that was only because I felt as home there as I do Chicago.

It's not that I don't like the idea of Chicago, which I would describe in so many words as the Great City of Big Shoulders Gleaming on the Lake, it was that the reality of Chicagoland proper was much more frustrating than a leisurely stroll around Buckingham Fountain before having dinner at Ginos.

Maybe a better way to describe what I didn't like about Chicago was that Minneapolis was less gritty, less dirty, less expensive, less crowded and not as dangerous.

Now that reality hasn't been 100% borne out for me in Minneapolis over the last 6 years; I've been burgularized, I've had a car window broken, and just this week a garage on my block was burned down by punk kids, so it's not perfect up here. And I live in what would be described by any Minneapolitan as a perfectly safe, middle class neighborhood. It's just city livin' I guess.

I live in the city proper, in an original 1914 Mission style house with golf course view and within 5 min walk of a lake. Is that (normally) possible in Chicago? Or even Chicagoland? It would not have been possible for me if I returned, that's for sure. We would probably be looking at a condo in far west Naperville, or maybe a small house in St. Charles / Geneva etc along the Fox River corridor. Not what I was looking forward to, considering my company was in Oakbrook.

Simply put, the quality of life that I have here vs having in Chicagoland is quite measurable to my family and I. It was a no brainer.

If you are ever up here, drop me a line. I'll give you the tour.

In 1977, I lived in San Francisco. I really loved it. Couldn't afford to buy anything there. I did buy 10 acres in Apple Valley with my father. Made a killing on it when it sold in 2005. The other property I purchased in Calif. was a little bungalow on the beach, near Black's beach, San Diego. Lot of great memories of carefree surfing and family.

(06-02-2011 04:15 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 03:33 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 03:30 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  I love the digs against Chicago on this board.. I often wonder what you think it's actually like up here. I just see you guys picturing a Mad Max post - apocalypse disaster area the way you refer to it. As if there's no law and order and it's just madness.

Don't know what it's like....just know what I read online, in the papers, see on the news, Blago, Daly, Obama, Capone...

I think that was pretty clear. And unless you count the fact the Green Mill is still open, I don't know how Capone is relevant.

Don't know what Baghdad is like...just know what I read online, in the papers, and seen on the news. Now, if based on that info you'd like to move to Baghdad, then by all means do so. A reputation is a reputation. I suppose you're gonna tell me that corruption in Chicago is merely rumors.