(04-17-2011 06:22 PM)OsageJ Wrote: Wasn't California also briefly an independant nation?
As was Hawaii.
and Vermont
Also, the thirteen original states were quasi independent during the Articles of Confederation period. They were sort of like the Euro nations and the national government was like the over arching EU body...
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I'm sure people get tired of having "Texas is the best" hammered down their throat from every Texan, as I get tired of the bitter posts from people who don't get to grow up in the greatest state in America.
(04-18-2011 07:22 PM)ntmeangreen11 Wrote: I'm sure people get tired of having "Texas is the best" hammered down their throat from every Texan, as I get tired of the bitter posts from people who don't get to grow up in the greatest state in America.
(04-18-2011 07:22 PM)ntmeangreen11 Wrote: I'm sure people get tired of having "Texas is the best" hammered down their throat from every Texan, as I get tired of the bitter posts from people who don't get to grow up in the greatest state in America.
Texas arrogance isn't annoying, I just find it rather...well... dull to be honest. I happen to think that Georgia and Tennessee are both great states and while I haven't lived in Texas, my experiences there have been neither fantastic nor terrible, but I feel pretty confident that I'll never live there and I'm quite certain I'm not missing out on anything. Every state has residents who are convinced their home state is the best. Personally I think we live in a great country, with a varied landscape that can offer something for everyone in one state or another.
(04-18-2011 11:40 AM)arkstfan Wrote: I don't think Cali counts because their government was never actually functional.
Hawaii absolutely counts. It was a free and independent nation until some guy named Dole figured he could save a lot of money by taking it over and then asking to be annexed.
South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and Texas all claimed status as free and independent nations prior to forming the Confederacy. Based on the Supreme Court ruling in West Virginia v. Virginia you could argue that from a legal stand-point they were not independent nations but functionally they were.
I love Texas, and my Great-Great-Great-Grandfather was born here in 1830. First, Texas was a free and independent country for about a decade. Poor and struggling, but independent. Texas had embassies in both London and Paris, and its oun Navy. We even printed our own money. Texas is the only state to join the United States by signing a treaty with the U.S. government. The Texas flag is the only state flag that can be flown at the same height as the American flag.
I don't know much about the history of Hawaii or California.
As for Tennessee and Kentucky, I have a great respect and appreciation for those states. Many men from those states lost their lives fighting for the freedom of T exas. I and all Texans need to remember that. We have a great statue of our first elected president, Sam Houston, down in Huntsville. Althought he was born in Virginia, he served as the governor of Tennessee before venturing to Texas.
I'm sure most people take pride in their state. They should. Some say Texans take too much pride. I'm OK with that too. It keeps yankees from moving here.
(04-18-2011 07:22 PM)ntmeangreen11 Wrote: I'm sure people get tired of having "Texas is the best" hammered down their throat from every Texan, as I get tired of the bitter posts from people who don't get to grow up in the greatest state in America.
"You're welcome." - Tennessee
Meh...Yall will never understand.
I think we can agree the south kicks ass, and by south I mean from Texas all the way to Kentucky to North Carolina to Florida and everything in between(minus Oklahoma).
Oklahoma just sucks, period. Not the university, the state.
I spent a month in Texas. Got to see everything except West Texas (Huntsville, Nacogdoches, Lamar, Houston, San Antonio, Waco, San Marcos, Austin, Dallas, Arlington, & Denton). So, a wide swath of geography, wealth, lifestyle etc.
It was nice and the people were kind. Just like Georgia and Tennessee and Kentucky and Alabama and Louisiana and every other southern state I have spend any considerable amount of time in. I am partial to Tennessee and Texas since they don't have a state income tax. (Florida, per the norm in these conversations, you don't count as a southern state.)
(04-19-2011 10:30 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote: I spent a month in Texas. Got to see everything except West Texas (Huntsville, Nacogdoches, Lamar, Houston, San Antonio, Waco, San Marcos, Austin, Dallas, Arlington, & Denton). So, a wide swath of geography, wealth, lifestyle etc.
It was nice and the people were kind. Just like Georgia and Tennessee and Kentucky and Alabama and Louisiana and every other southern state I have spend any considerable amount of time in. I am partial to Tennessee and Texas since they don't have a state income tax. (Florida, per the norm in these conversations, you don't count as a southern state.)
Some of the "most" Southern folks that I've ever met are from Florida-- inland, that is.
(04-19-2011 10:30 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote: I spent a month in Texas. Got to see everything except West Texas (Huntsville, Nacogdoches, Lamar, Houston, San Antonio, Waco, San Marcos, Austin, Dallas, Arlington, & Denton). So, a wide swath of geography, wealth, lifestyle etc.
It was nice and the people were kind. Just like Georgia and Tennessee and Kentucky and Alabama and Louisiana and every other southern state I have spend any considerable amount of time in. I am partial to Tennessee and Texas since they don't have a state income tax. (Florida, per the norm in these conversations, you don't count as a southern state.)
Some of the "most" Southern folks that I've ever met are from Florida-- inland, that is.
I grew up in Fort Walton Beach, FL in the Panhandle. Best place to live of the many places I've hung my hat.
(04-19-2011 10:30 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote: I spent a month in Texas. Got to see everything except West Texas (Huntsville, Nacogdoches, Lamar, Houston, San Antonio, Waco, San Marcos, Austin, Dallas, Arlington, & Denton). So, a wide swath of geography, wealth, lifestyle etc.
It was nice and the people were kind. Just like Georgia and Tennessee and Kentucky and Alabama and Louisiana and every other southern state I have spend any considerable amount of time in. I am partial to Tennessee and Texas since they don't have a state income tax. (Florida, per the norm in these conversations, you don't count as a southern state.)
Some of the "most" Southern folks that I've ever met are from Florida-- inland, that is.
I grew up in Fort Walton Beach, FL in the Panhandle. Best place to live of the many places I've hung my hat.
We have some good friends that just bought a place in the Santa Rosa Beach area. Know much about it (all I know is it's between Destin and Panama City) ?
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"South Florida" from about Pt St Lucie down is NOT a "southern"" state by the usual definitions. Too much of a melting pot with all the Carribbean influences, on top of the ones that people have brought when they moved down here. Now everything north of there, yup, you should consider them "southern".
There was even a brief discussion having the state "split" and having a North Florida and South Florida since the two halfs have very different philosophies and ideas. Nothing ever happened becasue if it did then "North Florida" would be in a SEROUS hurt with lost revenue from the heavy tourist trade in Southern half (Orlando would be the exception of course.)
I do like Sweet Tea for whats it's worth and was rasied in South Florida my whole life.
I also like Butter and Syrup on my grits, which I understand has me marked for death should I ever travel to see MTSU and the Cajuns play.
(04-19-2011 11:42 AM)OwlFamily Wrote: "South Florida" from about Pt St Lucie down is NOT a "southern"" state by the usual definitions. Too much of a melting pot with all the Carribbean influences, on top of the ones that people have brought when they moved down here. Now everything north of there, yup, you should consider them "southern".
There was even a brief discussion having the state "split" and having a North Florida and South Florida since the two halfs have very different philosophies and ideas. Nothing ever happened becasue if it did then "North Florida" would be in a SEROUS hurt with lost revenue from the heavy tourist trade in Southern half (Orlando would be the exception of course.)
I do like Sweet Tea for whats it's worth and was rasied in South Florida my whole life.
I also like Butter and Syrup on my grits, which I understand has me marked for death should I ever travel to see MTSU and the Cajuns play.
Isn't the Okeechobee area more of a Southern dialect ? Also, I know many Tennesseans that put butter and sugar in their grits. We also eat them with cheese. I like 'em both ways.
(04-19-2011 11:58 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote: Isn't the Okeechobee area more of a Southern dialect ? Also, I know many Tennesseans that put butter and sugar in their grits. We also eat them with cheese. I like 'em both ways.
Yes, the Lake Area could has that feel to it as well, its probably the exception to the rule. The coasts (Treasure, Gold, South Beach, Gulf, etc...) are the more cosmipolitan without that Southern feel to it.
Good to know, at least one person in TN, wont condem me to death for liking sweet grits.
(04-19-2011 10:30 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote: I spent a month in Texas. Got to see everything except West Texas (Huntsville, Nacogdoches, Lamar, Houston, San Antonio, Waco, San Marcos, Austin, Dallas, Arlington, & Denton). So, a wide swath of geography, wealth, lifestyle etc.
It was nice and the people were kind. Just like Georgia and Tennessee and Kentucky and Alabama and Louisiana and every other southern state I have spend any considerable amount of time in. I am partial to Tennessee and Texas since they don't have a state income tax. (Florida, per the norm in these conversations, you don't count as a southern state.)
Some of the "most" Southern folks that I've ever met are from Florida-- inland, that is.
I grew up in Fort Walton Beach, FL in the Panhandle. Best place to live of the many places I've hung my hat.
We have some good friends that just bought a place in the Santa Rosa Beach area. Know much about it (all I know is it's between Destin and Panama City) ?
Great area. It's been built up quite a bit but the beaches are still the greatest. Stay friends with these folks and get some time at their new place!
(04-19-2011 11:42 AM)OwlFamily Wrote: "South Florida" from about Pt St Lucie down is NOT a "southern"" state by the usual definitions. Too much of a melting pot with all the Carribbean influences, on top of the ones that people have brought when they moved down here. Now everything north of there, yup, you should consider them "southern".
There was even a brief discussion having the state "split" and having a North Florida and South Florida since the two halfs have very different philosophies and ideas. Nothing ever happened becasue if it did then "North Florida" would be in a SEROUS hurt with lost revenue from the heavy tourist trade in Southern half (Orlando would be the exception of course.)
I do like Sweet Tea for whats it's worth and was rasied in South Florida my whole life.
I also like Butter and Syrup on my grits, which I understand has me marked for death should I ever travel to see MTSU and the Cajuns play.
I really doubt the northern section of Florida would suffer financially to any great degree if there were a split. The tourist industry is still the backbone of the economy there and the money it generates relative to the year-round population is probably as good or better than the south.
Don;t get me wrong. I like the two (or more) different cultures of Florida and I'm glad they're all mixed together.
(04-19-2011 01:12 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote: I really doubt the northern section of Florida would suffer financially to any great degree if there were a split. The tourist industry is still the backbone of the economy there and the money it generates relative to the year-round population is probably as good or better than the south.
Don;t get me wrong. I like the two (or more) different cultures of Florida and I'm glad they're all mixed together.
I dont know.
If that split ever happened a WHOLE lot of Bed tax gets lost from the South Florida Area. They wouldnt go bankrupt as they would still have the Orlando area and a lot of the Citrus industry money. But it certainly would hurt Tallahasse's bottom line. Plus they would lose acess to the majority of the Sport Fishing industry which is primarily focused in the South Florida area as well.
All irrelevant at this pont as nothing ever came of it, and I doubt anything ever will.
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