(04-04-2011 07:01 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  

(04-04-2011 03:02 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-04-2011 01:52 PM)CD11 Wrote:  Still IMO the best thread of all time.

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=389905

I must be getting old... I hardly remember that thread and it was only a year and a half ago.

Ha! Just read that thread. I dont remember him, but I'm sorry that was some funny SH!t. I'm sure he must have annoyed everyone on other threads to have such a unanimously bad rep, but I found those couple of posts pretty damn funny.

oh my. i don't remember that, but his posts made me smile, a lot. i think we shoulda kept crancran around. Petition to bring back crancran!

(04-06-2011 02:27 PM)budman Wrote:  So if what I post in here is offensive to some, as it obviously is, it's too bad.

I get tired of typing this, but for some it never seems to set in.

No one has ever been banned for their opinion. Many have been banned for the way in which they elect to express that opinion.

I think a prime example to show that you were not banned for your opinion is the fact that Don, who had the exact opposite opinion as you was also banned. He also was never banned because of the opinion he voiced, but for the way in which he voiced that opinion.

If you want to cry about your treatment here, you have no one to blame but yourself.

BTW, as far as the part about all the people you have spoke to and the discussions you have had with them, no one here gives a ****. There are members here who also speak to members of the athletic department and former athletes, dine with the AD and his wife, attend the Bearcat Faithful Luncheon, grew up with and are still friends with the Cronin family, own companies that sponsor UC football games, are members of the 1200 club and the Goerge Smith Society, etc. While you may consider yourself a great ambassador to UC athletics, there are many here who do just as much or more, and name dropping will not get you anywhere with any of the members here.

(04-06-2011 03:20 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(04-04-2011 07:01 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  

(04-04-2011 03:02 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-04-2011 01:52 PM)CD11 Wrote:  Still IMO the best thread of all time.

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=389905

I must be getting old... I hardly remember that thread and it was only a year and a half ago.

Ha! Just read that thread. I dont remember him, but I'm sorry that was some funny SH!t. I'm sure he must have annoyed everyone on other threads to have such a unanimously bad rep, but I found those couple of posts pretty damn funny.

oh my. i don't remember that, but his posts made me smile, a lot. i think we shoulda kept crancran around. Petition to bring back crancran!

Ive been saying that for a long time!!! Crancran was a hoot we shouldve kept him around like an exotic animal in zoo that no one cares about but everyone looks at once in a while for its sheer absurdity

(04-06-2011 02:32 PM)mlb Wrote:  On a side note, I believe it was Chatter who theorized who you were originally (before we had proof). Apparently you guys can smell your type from a mile away.

I had to be among the first! I didn't know though, I merely suspected. Unfortunately I'm no Ty-like internet ninja, so I had no way of uncovering the truth.

(04-06-2011 06:08 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(04-06-2011 02:27 PM)budman Wrote:  So if what I post in here is offensive to some, as it obviously is, it's too bad.

I get tired of typing this, but for some it never seems to set in.

No one has ever been banned for their opinion. Many have been banned for the way in which they elect to express that opinion.

I think a prime example to show that you were not banned for your opinion is the fact that Don, who had the exact opposite opinion as you was also banned. He also was never banned because of the opinion he voiced, but for the way in which he voiced that opinion.

If you want to cry about your treatment here, you have no one to blame but yourself.

BTW, as far as the part about all the people you have spoke to and the discussions you have had with them, no one here gives a ****. There are members here who also speak to members of the athletic department and former athletes, dine with the AD and his wife, attend the Bearcat Faithful Luncheon, grew up with and are still friends with the Cronin family, own companies that sponsor UC football games, are members of the 1200 club and the Goerge Smith Society, etc. While you may consider yourself a great ambassador to UC athletics, there are many here who do just as much or more, and name dropping will not get you anywhere with any of the members here.

Check - MATE!

(04-06-2011 02:27 PM)budman Wrote:  hmmm. I actually thought about that briefly after I signed up. But then forgot about it. No matter. I don't post here very often anyway. 160 posts over a whole hoops season. And I didn't miss it at all over the off season.

I'm surprised this is the first i've heard about it though.

Bottom line, I'm one of the longest running Cincy hoops fans of anyone on this site. No banning could take that away. I still have my Depaul season tickets. I bought them cause I am a Cincy and now Big East fan. Took my son to his 4th straight BE Tourney. Even proudly wore my Cincy sweater to the Depaul season ticket holder social the morning prior to the Tourney.

I even got a chance to approach and speak to AD Thomas and put a good word in for Cronin while there. How many of you would do likewise? At least while others are hand wringing whether he would leave or not. I was doing my little part to try and keep him here. I even talked at length with Anthony Buford about it while there. He too has been disappointed in how Cronin's been treated. Like me, he just hopes these wins will change minds.

And when I say knowledgable hoops fans can't believe what Cronin has gone through. These BE Tourney fans are primarily the one's I'm talking about. For those who have never been...these are the most knowledgable hoops fans in the world. They're the FAN in fanatics. And every tourney experience you talk to so so many of them. And they watch. They see what happens with the other teams. Especially those in the Big East. And the way he's been treated comes up so often that it's a source of embarrassment to those who are there as a fan of Cincinnati. But I do my best to say, i'm not one of them. And just talk up the program.

So yea. Do I have an agenda? It's to do my little part to try and change this image. I don't just sit and complain. I consider myself a great ambassador for the program. More so than most of you. And I live 300+ miles away from it.

So if what I post in here is offensive to some, as it obviously is, it's too bad. Ban me again. It won't change what I do, or who I am. Just one less voice in here. Afterall, this is just a place to get, and sometimes share information, on a topic we all choose to follow. Nothing more, nothing less. As Magic Johnson says, i'm very comfortable in my own skin.

(04-06-2011 06:08 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(04-06-2011 02:27 PM)budman Wrote:  So if what I post in here is offensive to some, as it obviously is, it's too bad.

I get tired of typing this, but for some it never seems to set in.

No one has ever been banned for their opinion. Many have been banned for the way in which they elect to express that opinion.

I think a prime example to show that you were not banned for your opinion is the fact that Don, who had the exact opposite opinion as you was also banned. He also was never banned because of the opinion he voiced, but for the way in which he voiced that opinion.

If you want to cry about your treatment here, you have no one to blame but yourself.

BTW, as far as the part about all the people you have spoke to and the discussions you have had with them, no one here gives a ****. There are members here who also speak to members of the athletic department and former athletes, dine with the AD and his wife, attend the Bearcat Faithful Luncheon, grew up with and are still friends with the Cronin family, own companies that sponsor UC football games, are members of the 1200 club and the Goerge Smith Society, etc. While you may consider yourself a great ambassador to UC athletics, there are many here who do just as much or more, and name dropping will not get you anywhere with any of the members here.

As it's been stated that this is the topic for pissing contests, I guess i'll risk hanging it over the camode one more time.

You've got 160 posts this season to fall back on sublea. I didn't attack anyone personally. So I can't imagine it was how I said anything. It's simply what, and ultimately, who said it. Who's surprised that I was set up for this once found out, and now given the chance, the pack has lined up to pile on once again?

But boy subflea, did you miss the point of that post altogether. Although by design i'm sure. I sure didn't post it to complain. And I wasn't name dropping, as you care to put it, so much as demonstrating that I have actually been stepping up and supporting this coach. With so many Cincy elites in here, you know, the long time family "friends of Mick", why does it appear to take someone from "outside" the circle to step up and try to quell all the hate he's received? Of all these friends of his, which ones have had his back? Because I for one have sure been hard pressed to find them. Why is he having to resort to closed door meetings with his team to escape the media and fan bombardment? Why did he openly state he fully expected to get fired this year without a Tourney appearance?

What i've seen posted in here that past 5 years is typical of what i've seen on other sites and in the media. Based on his public comments, it sure doesn't appear those dinner meetings with AD Thomas did much to quell any concerns Cronin had on being able to follow thru with his work to rebuild this program.

Could it be he felt his backside was laid bare? Some friends. Now I don't claim to be some sort of white knight for the program, i'm simply someone who has felt he's been treated very unfairly this whole time, and it seems the principle place i've found a similar perspective has been from those outside the Cincy fan base. Maybe i'm too passionate about it and it's been reflected in my approach in the past. But as this season has demonstrated, it doesn't appear to matter much how it's presented, offense is take either way.

Consider the angst among the forum this season about this new poster who's got the nerve to criticise any perceived unfair treatment. It sure doesn't suggest any commonality of thought along those lines.

Never the less, he made the Tourney. He's signed on for 6 more seasons. And until this episode in here the past few days, a relative peace has appeared to settle in among the Cincy fan base. For that, I feel good about how things have worked out. I sure hope it holds.

(04-07-2011 05:54 AM)budman Wrote:  

(04-06-2011 06:08 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(04-06-2011 02:27 PM)budman Wrote:  So if what I post in here is offensive to some, as it obviously is, it's too bad.

I get tired of typing this, but for some it never seems to set in.

No one has ever been banned for their opinion. Many have been banned for the way in which they elect to express that opinion.

I think a prime example to show that you were not banned for your opinion is the fact that Don, who had the exact opposite opinion as you was also banned. He also was never banned because of the opinion he voiced, but for the way in which he voiced that opinion.

If you want to cry about your treatment here, you have no one to blame but yourself.

BTW, as far as the part about all the people you have spoke to and the discussions you have had with them, no one here gives a ****. There are members here who also speak to members of the athletic department and former athletes, dine with the AD and his wife, attend the Bearcat Faithful Luncheon, grew up with and are still friends with the Cronin family, own companies that sponsor UC football games, are members of the 1200 club and the Goerge Smith Society, etc. While you may consider yourself a great ambassador to UC athletics, there are many here who do just as much or more, and name dropping will not get you anywhere with any of the members here.

As it's been stated that this is the topic for pissing contests, I guess i'll risk hanging it over the camode one more time.

You've got 160 posts this season to fall back on sublea. I didn't attack anyone personally. So I can't imagine it was how I said anything. It's simply what, and ultimately, who said it. Who's surprised that I was set up for this once found out, and now given the chance, the pack has lined up to pile on once again?

But boy subflea, did you miss the point of that post altogether. Although by design i'm sure. I sure didn't post it to complain. And I wasn't name dropping, as you care to put it, so much as demonstrating that I have actually been stepping up and supporting this coach. With so many Cincy elites in here, you know, the long time family "friends of Mick", why does it appear to take someone from "outside" the circle to step up and try to quell all the hate he's received? Of all these friends of his, which ones have had his back? Because I for one have sure been hard pressed to find them. Why is he having to resort to closed door meetings with his team to escape the media and fan bombardment? Why did he openly state he fully expected to get fired this year without a Tourney appearance?

What i've seen posted in here that past 5 years is typical of what i've seen on other sites and in the media. Based on his public comments, it sure doesn't appear those dinner meetings with AD Thomas did much to quell any concerns Cronin had on being able to follow thru with his work to rebuild this program.

Could it be he felt his backside was laid bare? Some friends. Now I don't claim to be some sort of white knight for the program, i'm simply someone who has felt he's been treated very unfairly this whole time, and it seems the principle place i've found a similar perspective has been from those outside the Cincy fan base. Maybe i'm too passionate about it and it's been reflected in my approach in the past. But as this season has demonstrated, it doesn't appear to matter much how it's presented, offense is take either way.

Consider the angst among the forum this season about this new poster who's got the nerve to criticise any perceived unfair treatment. It sure doesn't suggest any commonality of thought along those lines.

Never the less, he made the Tourney. He's signed on for 6 more seasons. And until this episode in here the past few days, a relative peace has appeared to settle in among the Cincy fan base. For that, I feel good about how things have worked out. I sure hope it holds.

"Could it be he felt his backside was laid bare? Some friends."

Tell me this is all a windup and you're really just kidding. Good god man, its basketball not life and death. Drop the melodrama and move on. Mick's a growned a*s man. He's 40 years old, he's in a very public job, and by the looks of it he's doing just find without some oddball message board poster wringing his hands over the criticism that has been leveled Mick's way by some of the fanbase. You've been attacked and assailed, Mick has had his backside laid bare...Oh the horror!!! Its basketball you jackwagon not war.

First of all, how do you have time to write entire novels like that on message boards when you're supposed to be curing lung cancer?

(04-06-2011 06:38 PM)chicago bearcat Wrote:  

(04-06-2011 03:20 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(04-04-2011 07:01 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  

(04-04-2011 03:02 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-04-2011 01:52 PM)CD11 Wrote:  Still IMO the best thread of all time.

http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=389905

I must be getting old... I hardly remember that thread and it was only a year and a half ago.

Ha! Just read that thread. I dont remember him, but I'm sorry that was some funny SH!t. I'm sure he must have annoyed everyone on other threads to have such a unanimously bad rep, but I found those couple of posts pretty damn funny.

oh my. i don't remember that, but his posts made me smile, a lot. i think we shoulda kept crancran around. Petition to bring back crancran!

Ive been saying that for a long time!!! Crancran was a hoot we shouldve kept him around like an exotic animal in zoo that no one cares about but everyone looks at once in a while for its sheer absurdity

Lush: I'll second the petition as long as it has a hidden rider on it that mandates Bearcat Banter be renamed Bearcatarrh immediately.

Chicago: my favorite part about crancan was that, iirc, he was actually a normal poster until the last couple of days before his banning. Out of seemingly nowhere he just went off the deep end.

(04-06-2011 02:27 PM)budman Wrote:  hmmm. I actually thought about that briefly after I signed up. But then forgot about it. No matter. I don't post here very often anyway. 160 posts over a whole hoops season. And I didn't miss it at all over the off season.

I'm surprised this is the first i've heard about it though.

Bottom line, I'm one of the longest running Cincy hoops fans of anyone on this site. No banning could take that away. I still have my Depaul season tickets. I bought them cause I am a Cincy and now Big East fan. Took my son to his 4th straight BE Tourney. Even proudly wore my Cincy sweater to the Depaul season ticket holder social the morning prior to the Tourney.

I even got a chance to approach and speak to AD Thomas and put a good word in for Cronin while there. How many of you would do likewise? At least while others are hand wringing whether he would leave or not. I was doing my little part to try and keep him here. I even talked at length with Anthony Buford about it while there. He too has been disappointed in how Cronin's been treated. Like me, he just hopes these wins will change minds.

And when I say knowledgable hoops fans can't believe what Cronin has gone through. These BE Tourney fans are primarily the one's I'm talking about. For those who have never been...these are the most knowledgable hoops fans in the world. They're the FAN in fanatics. And every tourney experience you talk to so so many of them. And they watch. They see what happens with the other teams. Especially those in the Big East. And the way he's been treated comes up so often that it's a source of embarrassment to those who are there as a fan of Cincinnati. But I do my best to say, i'm not one of them. And just talk up the program.

So yea. Do I have an agenda? It's to do my little part to try and change this image. I don't just sit and complain. I consider myself a great ambassador for the program. More so than most of you. And I live 300+ miles away from it.

So if what I post in here is offensive to some, as it obviously is, it's too bad. Ban me again. It won't change what I do, or who I am. Just one less voice in here. Afterall, this is just a place to get, and sometimes share information, on a topic we all choose to follow. Nothing more, nothing less. As Magic Johnson says, i'm very comfortable in my own skin.

I agree with your sentiment on a hell of a lot of things and agree that the image we put forth about the program and fans IS REALITY.

We have a choice regarding whether we put forth a positive, supportive image or a destructive, negative image. The media reads this board and others - when Koch or Doc talk about what "bearcat fans are saying" more times than not they are getting those ideas from message boards.

Recruits read message boards and recruits look up in the stands at games and see snot-nosed idiots holding up "fire Mick Cronin" banners. I have heard people say that that this kind of stuff doesn't have an impact on decision making, they are flat out wrong. I am in the business of recruiting and understand all too well how even a well placed RUMOR of morale problems and/or upper management instability will send a top flight candidate packing.

But this is not a forum that forces people to voice their opinions in a positive, negative or any other kind of manner. Even opinions that you may view (and often I view) as foolish, shortsighted, irresponsible and even sometimes purposefully destructive are generally allowed to be aired.

It is and has always been repetitious antagonaziation that gets people banned. Sometimes even otherwise funny, positive, "real UC fans". Once you put your message and ideas (positive or negative) on knee jerk auto-post mode, patience erodes.

Yeah I too wish people understood what the public nature of this forum really means, but they often don't or just don't care. Just my .02, but If you find yourself resenting opinions or feeling compelled to counterbalance negativity (which I understand), try to maintain a "post once in a thread" policy or stay out of the thread entirely.

(04-07-2011 05:54 AM)budman Wrote:  But boy subflea, did you miss the point of that post altogether. Although by design i'm sure. I sure didn't post it to complain. And I wasn't name dropping, as you care to put it, so much as demonstrating that I have actually been stepping up and supporting this coach. With so many Cincy elites in here, you know, the long time family "friends of Mick", why does it appear to take someone from "outside" the circle to step up and try to quell all the hate he's received? Of all these friends of his, which ones have had his back? Because I for one have sure been hard pressed to find them.

Rath and Eastside_J have been very vocal about the issues Cronin has faced at UC, including the budget issues. Maybe you should start reading posts besides your own.

Quote:What i've seen posted in here that past 5 years is typical of what i've seen on other sites and in the media. Based on his public comments, it sure doesn't appear those dinner meetings with AD Thomas did much to quell any concerns Cronin had on being able to follow thru with his work to rebuild this program.

I think as a whole this board has been a big proponent of Cronin this year, including stating he needed to get an extension. Cronin proved this year that he was for real and people are now ready to jump on board.

Quote:Could it be he felt his backside was laid bare? Some friends. Now I don't claim to be some sort of white knight for the program, i'm simply someone who has felt he's been treated very unfairly this whole time, and it seems the principle place i've found a similar perspective has been from those outside the Cincy fan base. Maybe i'm too passionate about it and it's been reflected in my approach in the past. But as this season has demonstrated, it doesn't appear to matter much how it's presented, offense is take either way.

Was he treated unfairly? Probably. That can be attributed to the way the previous president ended the career of a beloved coach. We have been over that an uncountable number of times. People wanted to see proof that he could coach... this year, the way they closed out the season after the loss to St. John's proved he was the right guy. The people who have been on the fence came on board. A large portion of the anti-Cronin people came on board.

Quote:Consider the angst among the forum this season about this new poster who's got the nerve to criticise any perceived unfair treatment. It sure doesn't suggest any commonality of thought along those lines.

Thanks for being such a martyr for the board... as subflea stated above, you take heat because you are a jacka$$ who is a one trick pony. We understand your viewpoint, you don't have to tell us 9 million times.

Quote:Never the less, he made the Tourney. He's signed on for 6 more seasons. And until this episode in here the past few days, a relative peace has appeared to settle in among the Cincy fan base. For that, I feel good about how things have worked out. I sure hope it holds.

Yes, we were celebrating until you started telling us what to think again.

Eastside,

I agree with your whole post. And the fact is, you have always stepped up and supported Cronin. And you have also stepped up and made supportive comments to mine. Kudos to you for that. Regarding "post once in a thread"...i've tried to do that. And if you look at my posts this season, I believe i've been relatively good about it. Although it's hard not to respond to some of the comments directed at mine. And it's especially hard not to counter the personal attacks i've received (see MLB and CD above).

It's the way of the pack in here. And it's gone on since I first logged in to this site. There's been no controls over it either. Pretty hard to do so when it's the moderators that lead the way.

Anyway, I said earlier in this thread that i'm done posting on this topic as Cronin appears to have finally earned the respect of much of the Cincy fan base. And I mean to do just that. I really believe Cincy has finally dug out of the hole left by Nancy Zimpher, and those who follow the program have now generally seemed to turn the page from that chapter of our history.

I see a lot of positives going forward.

I was a harsh critic of MC after missing the NCAA tournament 4 years in a row, but looking back a few years at our roster to what it is now....He*l of a job Mick

I don't miss those uniforms. Ewww.