(03-16-2011 01:07 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 12:41 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  WE DO HAVE A PLAN ! If they don't add $$$$ forget it. No need to expand just to expand. We don't need mouths to feed or any welfare cases that need a tit while they are move to FBS.

How much money has UNT added to the kitty? And who are we feeding now?

Moot point.
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True. Everyone in the conference now was needed to get the conference started.

(03-16-2011 01:07 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 12:41 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  WE DO HAVE A PLAN ! If they don't add $$$$ forget it. No need to expand just to expand. We don't need mouths to feed or any welfare cases that need a tit while they are move to FBS.

How much money has UNT added to the kitty? And who are we feeding now?

Moot point. For your info UNT is already a member of the conference. To refresh your memory, the following schools are sitting at the Sun Belt Conference table.

FIU
FAU
WKU
Troy
USA (That's South Alabama)
ASU
ULL
ULM
UNT
Muts
UALR (non-football)
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Good non answer. The point of the matter is that these newbie schools bring the same stature to the SBC as UNT. UNT shares Dallas with TCU, SMU, Dem Cowboys and Oklahoma. Dallas is the 9th largest City in the Nation.

UTSA puts the SBC in the 7th largest city in the Nation.
UNCC puts the SBC in the 18th largest city in the Nation.
Georgia State puts the SBC in the 9th largest city in the Nation.

With the location of FAU and FIU. Wow that is a pretty impressive footprint.

So what was your point again, "moot"?

(03-16-2011 01:25 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 01:07 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 12:41 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  WE DO HAVE A PLAN ! If they don't add $$$$ forget it. No need to expand just to expand. We don't need mouths to feed or any welfare cases that need a tit while they are move to FBS.

How much money has UNT added to the kitty? And who are we feeding now?

Moot point. For your info UNT is already a member of the conference. To refresh your memory, the following schools are sitting at the Sun Belt Conference table.

FIU
FAU
WKU
Troy
USA (That's South Alabama)
ASU
ULL
ULM
UNT
Muts
UALR (non-football)

Good non answer. The point of the matter is that these newbie schools bring the same stature to the SBC as UNT. UNT shares Dallas with TCU, SMU, Dem Cowboys and Oklahoma. Dallas is the 9th largest City in the Nation.

UTSA puts the SBC in the 7th largest city in the Nation.
UNCC puts the SBC in the 18th largest city in the Nation.
Georgia State puts the SBC in the 9th largest city in the Nation.

With the location of FAU and FIU. Wow that is a pretty impressive footprint.

So what was your point again, "moot"?
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We aren't adding markets, we're adding schools. UTSA, UNCC, and Georgia State have done diddly squat in football. UNT is currently an infinitely better and more valuable member than any of them. WKU in Bowling Green Kentucky who's won, what? 2 FBS games as a member? Is an infinitely better and more valuable member than any of them.

Your obsession with adding schools is strange to say the least.

(03-16-2011 01:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 01:25 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 01:07 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 12:41 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  WE DO HAVE A PLAN ! If they don't add $$$$ forget it. No need to expand just to expand. We don't need mouths to feed or any welfare cases that need a tit while they are move to FBS.

How much money has UNT added to the kitty? And who are we feeding now?

Moot point. For your info UNT is already a member of the conference. To refresh your memory, the following schools are sitting at the Sun Belt Conference table.

FIU
FAU
WKU
Troy
USA (That's South Alabama)
ASU
ULL
ULM
UNT
Muts
UALR (non-football)

Good non answer. The point of the matter is that these newbie schools bring the same stature to the SBC as UNT. UNT shares Dallas with TCU, SMU, Dem Cowboys and Oklahoma. Dallas is the 9th largest City in the Nation.

UTSA puts the SBC in the 7th largest city in the Nation.
UNCC puts the SBC in the 18th largest city in the Nation.
Georgia State puts the SBC in the 9th largest city in the Nation.

With the location of FAU and FIU. Wow that is a pretty impressive footprint.

So what was your point again, "moot"?

We aren't adding markets, we're adding schools. UTSA, UNCC, and Georgia State have done diddly squat in football. UNT is currently an infinitely better and more valuable member than any of them. WKU in Bowling Green Kentucky who's won, what? 2 FBS games as a member? Is an infinitely better and more valuable member than any of them.

Your obsession with adding schools is strange to say the least.
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Amen. Seems to have an obsession.

(03-16-2011 01:53 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 01:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 01:25 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 01:07 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 12:41 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  WE DO HAVE A PLAN ! If they don't add $$$$ forget it. No need to expand just to expand. We don't need mouths to feed or any welfare cases that need a tit while they are move to FBS.

How much money has UNT added to the kitty? And who are we feeding now?

Moot point. For your info UNT is already a member of the conference. To refresh your memory, the following schools are sitting at the Sun Belt Conference table.

FIU
FAU
WKU
Troy
USA (That's South Alabama)
ASU
ULL
ULM
UNT
Muts
UALR (non-football)

Good non answer. The point of the matter is that these newbie schools bring the same stature to the SBC as UNT. UNT shares Dallas with TCU, SMU, Dem Cowboys and Oklahoma. Dallas is the 9th largest City in the Nation.

UTSA puts the SBC in the 7th largest city in the Nation.
UNCC puts the SBC in the 18th largest city in the Nation.
Georgia State puts the SBC in the 9th largest city in the Nation.

With the location of FAU and FIU. Wow that is a pretty impressive footprint.

So what was your point again, "moot"?

We aren't adding markets, we're adding schools. UTSA, UNCC, and Georgia State have done diddly squat in football. UNT is currently an infinitely better and more valuable member than any of them. WKU in Bowling Green Kentucky who's won, what? 2 FBS games as a member? Is an infinitely better and more valuable member than any of them.

Your obsession with adding schools is strange to say the least.

Amen. Seems to have an obsession.
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Gentlemen, gentlemen, it seems there is a obsession to keep the status quo. I am just of the opposite opinion as are a few others.
We debate these issues all of the time as the situation continues to change. That is why I created the poll. I understand that your preference is to not expand.

The question is that if the SBC had to make a decision today... today. What would be your preference? You do not get to shout down others who have a different view point. I love your passion but not your delivery.

I waited for years to see USA with a football team. USA football is a tremendous boon to the conference. The same as FIU and FAU and WKU. Why not look and see if there are schools on rise such as FIU, FAU, USA that maybe of benefit to the conference.

Luv ya!

Drop USA.

What do they add to the conference, anyways?

(03-16-2011 02:38 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  Drop USA.

What do they add to the conference, anyways?

"smile"

If membership were tied directly to contributions made back to the SBC, we'd only have a few teams....far less than the required number for a conference.

(03-16-2011 02:58 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  If membership were tied directly to contributions made back to the SBC, we'd only have a few teams....far less than the required number for a conference.

You are absolutely right. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't be very selective and want potential new members to bring enough positives to the conference to make adding them a true plus.

(03-16-2011 03:18 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 02:58 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  If membership were tied directly to contributions made back to the SBC, we'd only have a few teams....far less than the required number for a conference.

You are absolutely right. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't be very selective and want potential new members to bring enough positives to the conference to make adding them a true plus.

I think we all agree on that point. Moot, how about you?

Good non answer. The point of the matter is that these newbie schools bring the same stature to the SBC as UNT. UNT shares Dallas with TCU, SMU, Dem Cowboys and Oklahoma. Dallas is the 9th largest City in the Nation.

UTSA puts the SBC in the 7th largest city in the Nation.
UNCC puts the SBC in the 18th largest city in the Nation.
Georgia State puts the SBC in the 9th largest city in the Nation.

With the location of FAU and FIU. Wow that is a pretty impressive footprint.

So what was your point again, "moot"?
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Apparently you don't think much of UNT or that matter FAU, if you think that any fc move-up is automatically equal. Surely there are some schools in Los Angeles, Chicago and New York city that we can also add to the mix and think of that footprint and market. Any of them would have played as much football as UTSA at the moment.

Not sure about your Kitty point, I am sure that UNT brings as much to the conference as any other school with the exception of WKU who by viture of their two good NCAA basketball runs would be the easy leader in that category. By the way the DFW area is the fourth market in the USA last I heard. I also guess you know that you have countered your own point with the NT shared market thought. NT shares the market but these other universites don't?

(03-16-2011 10:46 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 10:42 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  None of the above.

+1

+1

(03-16-2011 02:38 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  Drop USA.

What do they add to the conference, anyways?

A little childish comment, don't you think?
I'll add one just for fun.
Like the muts is holding the conference together and making it the most prestigious non-BCS league in America.

(03-17-2011 09:08 AM)SidJag Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 02:38 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  Drop USA.

What do they add to the conference, anyways?

A little childish comment, don't you think?
I'll add one just for fun.
Like the muts is holding the conference together and making it the most prestigious non-BCS league in America.

Sid, I think his post was tongue-in-cheek.

(03-16-2011 03:33 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  Good non answer. The point of the matter is that these newbie schools bring the same stature to the SBC as UNT. UNT shares Dallas with TCU, SMU, Dem Cowboys and Oklahoma. Dallas is the 9th largest City in the Nation.

UTSA puts the SBC in the 7th largest city in the Nation.
UNCC puts the SBC in the 18th largest city in the Nation.
Georgia State puts the SBC in the 9th largest city in the Nation.

With the location of FAU and FIU. Wow that is a pretty impressive footprint.

So what was your point again, "moot"?

Apparently you don't think much of UNT or that matter FAU, if you think that any fc move-up is automatically equal. Surely there are some schools in Los Angeles, Chicago and New York city that we can also add to the mix and think of that footprint and market. Any of them would have played as much football as UTSA at the moment.

Not sure about your Kitty point, I am sure that UNT brings as much to the conference as any other school with the exception of WKU who by viture of their two good NCAA basketball runs would be the easy leader in that category. By the way the DFW area is the fourth market in the USA last I heard. I also guess you know that you have countered your own point with the NT shared market thought. NT shares the market but these other universites don't?
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“Apparently you don't think much of UNT or that matter FAU, if you think that any fc move-up is automatically equal.”


Wow, you guys are really sensitive about being considered FCS. Let’s clarify something. I was ecstatic when I learned that FAU, FIU, UAB and finally USA started football programs. I think this was the turning point for the Sun Belt. I have hyped UNT potential for years around here and yes I got the crazy comments then as well.

I am just a forward looking individual who sees the potential greatness of the Sun Belt. I just do not get all of this negativity about new programs. I did not say that any or all FCS programs are equal to UNT or FAU. All that I am saying is that there are certain teams that have the potential to become good programs and be a benefit to the Sun Belt.

Now, this may hurt. If you do not like my positive attitude, well tough.

(03-17-2011 09:38 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 03:33 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  Good non answer. The point of the matter is that these newbie schools bring the same stature to the SBC as UNT. UNT shares Dallas with TCU, SMU, Dem Cowboys and Oklahoma. Dallas is the 9th largest City in the Nation.

UTSA puts the SBC in the 7th largest city in the Nation.
UNCC puts the SBC in the 18th largest city in the Nation.
Georgia State puts the SBC in the 9th largest city in the Nation.

With the location of FAU and FIU. Wow that is a pretty impressive footprint.

So what was your point again, "moot"?

Apparently you don't think much of UNT or that matter FAU, if you think that any fc move-up is automatically equal. Surely there are some schools in Los Angeles, Chicago and New York city that we can also add to the mix and think of that footprint and market. Any of them would have played as much football as UTSA at the moment.

Not sure about your Kitty point, I am sure that UNT brings as much to the conference as any other school with the exception of WKU who by viture of their two good NCAA basketball runs would be the easy leader in that category. By the way the DFW area is the fourth market in the USA last I heard. I also guess you know that you have countered your own point with the NT shared market thought. NT shares the market but these other universites don't?

“Apparently you don't think much of UNT or that matter FAU, if you think that any fc move-up is automatically equal.”


Wow, you guys are really sensitive about being considered FCS. Let’s clarify something. I was ecstatic when I learned that FAU, FIU, UAB and finally USA started football programs. I think this was the turning point for the Sun Belt. I have hyped UNT potential for years around here and yes I got the crazy comments then as well.

I am just a forward looking individual who sees the potential greatness of the Sun Belt. I just do not get all of this negativity about new programs. I did not say that any or all FCS programs are equal to UNT or FAU. All that I am saying is that there are certain teams that have the potential to become good programs and be a benefit to the Sun Belt.

Now, this may hurt. If you do not like my positive attitude, well tough.
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Maybe you are ultra sensative because USA is a newbie football program that hasn't played a down of FBS or Sun Belt football. If you can't handle folks not wanting to admit outside newbies to the Belt, well tough..

Texas Twins throw a party to celebrate their WAC invite

I think you have to look at it 10 years out. If an FCS program projects to being a better pickup than an NMSU or La Tech than you take them regardless of where they came from. NMSU may be an established FBS school but they don't support their programs well and are far away from even UNT.

What teams:
a- Would come (UNC-Charlotte is an example of one that won't)
b- Are strong in the Big 3 (Football, Hoops, Baseball or just the last 2 if non-fb)
c- Make sense geographically

3 objectives this criteria helps you try to meet:
1- Max out tv revenue per school. (None I have seen proposed do this)
2- Increase competitive strength as a league
3- Minimize high travel costs by splitting into divisions

(03-17-2011 09:17 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(03-17-2011 09:08 AM)SidJag Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 02:38 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  Drop USA.

What do they add to the conference, anyways?

A little childish comment, don't you think?
I'll add one just for fun.
Like the muts is holding the conference together and making it the most prestigious non-BCS league in America.

Sid, I think his post was tongue-in-cheek.

Could be. If so, then I'm a putz.

(03-17-2011 09:51 AM)MG61 Wrote:  

(03-17-2011 09:38 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(03-16-2011 03:33 PM)Grandgreen Wrote:  Good non answer. The point of the matter is that these newbie schools bring the same stature to the SBC as UNT. UNT shares Dallas with TCU, SMU, Dem Cowboys and Oklahoma. Dallas is the 9th largest City in the Nation.

UTSA puts the SBC in the 7th largest city in the Nation.
UNCC puts the SBC in the 18th largest city in the Nation.
Georgia State puts the SBC in the 9th largest city in the Nation.

With the location of FAU and FIU. Wow that is a pretty impressive footprint.

So what was your point again, "moot"?

Apparently you don't think much of UNT or that matter FAU, if you think that any fc move-up is automatically equal. Surely there are some schools in Los Angeles, Chicago and New York city that we can also add to the mix and think of that footprint and market. Any of them would have played as much football as UTSA at the moment.

Not sure about your Kitty point, I am sure that UNT brings as much to the conference as any other school with the exception of WKU who by virtue of their two good NCAA basketball runs would be the easy leader in that category. By the way the DFW area is the fourth market in the USA last I heard. I also guess you know that you have countered your own point with the NT shared market thought. NT shares the market but these other universities don't?

“Apparently you don't think much of UNT or that matter FAU, if you think that any fc move-up is automatically equal.”


Wow, you guys are really sensitive about being considered FCS. Let’s clarify something. I was ecstatic when I learned that FAU, FIU, UAB and finally USA started football programs. I think this was the turning point for the Sun Belt. I have hyped UNT potential for years around here and yes I got the crazy comments then as well.

I am just a forward looking individual who sees the potential greatness of the Sun Belt. I just do not get all of this negativity about new programs. I did not say that any or all FCS programs are equal to UNT or FAU. All that I am saying is that there are certain teams that have the potential to become good programs and be a benefit to the Sun Belt.

Now, this may hurt. If you do not like my positive attitude, well tough.

Maybe you are ultra sensative because USA is a newbie football program that hasn't played a down of FBS or Sun Belt football. If you can't handle folks not wanting to admit outside newbies to the Belt, well tough..
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I welcome USA as a new football member and I think they will do well. I'm not sure tough as a lot to do with the discussion. As you might recall you are the one that questioned what NT brought to the conference and also started the thread asking what fans thoughts were about the selected universities. Apparently you didn't really want any opinions different from your own. Talk about ultra sensitive, no one in this thread has been anti any conference team adding football. Some like me however, think the the Belt has reached the stage that they should not automatically be interested in every move up football team in the nation.