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(03-01-2011 10:45 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
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(03-01-2011 10:22 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  As long as they are transparent with their funds and intentions, I have 0 problem with them legally making all the money they can or putting it wherever they desire.

It's easy to make money legally when the governor is changing the laws for you.

how'd they make their money before they knew the governor? People always tend to forget that most rich people weren't just born rich
Bribing-I mean lobbying other government officials. Btw, they WERE born rich.
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(03-01-2011 11:00 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(03-01-2011 10:25 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  
(03-01-2011 10:22 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  As long as they are transparent with their funds and intentions, I have 0 problem with them legally making all the money they can or putting it wherever they desire.

It's easy to make money legally when the governor is changing the laws for you.

How does eliminating collective bargaining *among state workers* directly benefit the Koch's?

Did you feel this same way while Gore was making millions on 'carbon credits' while the left was pushing cap and trade?
You know, maybe you guys from SC(GTS) and wherever you are from Mr. Bull should do some reading of local papers for the details of the story instead of relying on Faux Propaganda and WND for all your info.
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(03-01-2011 11:19 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(03-01-2011 11:00 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(03-01-2011 10:25 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  
(03-01-2011 10:22 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  As long as they are transparent with their funds and intentions, I have 0 problem with them legally making all the money they can or putting it wherever they desire.

It's easy to make money legally when the governor is changing the laws for you.

How does eliminating collective bargaining *among state workers* directly benefit the Koch's?

C'mon, you don't need logic when you've got a good conspiracy theory.
It certainly does. I believe it was Rummy who was saying that getting rid of Unions will help the Republicans in elections. Why you ask? Less money for political campaigns(usually for the left) while the activist rightwing supreme court said corporations could give as much as they want. Thus allowing Koch Industries to "buy" elections. I don't know how much of the 7% of Union membership is made up of public employees but I would have to imagine it is a fairly good percentage of that. You get rid of those political donations that the workers VOLUNTARILLY give to a SEPARATE fund to use for campaigns, it puts Republicans in the drivers seat. Thus all my thoughts mentioned on here before about eliminate public education, repeal child labor laws, minimum wage, EPA etc will likely occur in turn BENEFITTING the Koch brothers. Of course, that is a long course to benefitting them. THere are other parts of the bill that benefit them shorter term.
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(03-01-2011 12:00 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(03-01-2011 10:45 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  
(03-01-2011 10:25 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  
(03-01-2011 10:22 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  As long as they are transparent with their funds and intentions, I have 0 problem with them legally making all the money they can or putting it wherever they desire.

It's easy to make money legally when the governor is changing the laws for you.

how'd they make their money before they knew the governor? People always tend to forget that most rich people weren't just born rich
Bribing-I mean lobbying other government officials.

Oh so the same way Unions get rich...
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(03-01-2011 12:06 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(03-01-2011 11:00 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(03-01-2011 10:25 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  
(03-01-2011 10:22 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  As long as they are transparent with their funds and intentions, I have 0 problem with them legally making all the money they can or putting it wherever they desire.

It's easy to make money legally when the governor is changing the laws for you.

How does eliminating collective bargaining *among state workers* directly benefit the Koch's?

Did you feel this same way while Gore was making millions on 'carbon credits' while the left was pushing cap and trade?
You know, maybe you guys from SC(GTS) and wherever you are from Mr. Bull should do some reading of local papers for the details of the story instead of relying on Faux Propaganda and WND for all your info.

Robert that nice little diversion (I'm in Minnesota btw pretty close to local) does not answer the question..

How does eliminating collective bargaining among teachers and state worked directly benefit a private company?
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(03-01-2011 12:23 PM)RobertN Wrote:  It certainly does. I believe it was Rummy who was saying that getting rid of Unions will help the Republicans in elections.

So let me follow this... Mandatory state unions like the ones in Wisconsin which take, without choice, money from members (deducted by the state directly) then apply that money to left leaning politics regardless of what an individual member feels..

This is what the Democratic party needs to function???

03-lol03-lol03-lol03-lol

Quote:"while the activist rightwing supreme court said corporations could give as much as they want."

And yet rich Billionaires gave less htan one quarter of what the NEA gave in the last Wisconsin election...

Quote:I don't know how much of the 7% of Union membership is made up of public employees but I would have to imagine it is a fairly good percentage of that.

52% as of 2010 but that number is immaterial. Elimination of Collective Bargaining for things outside of compensation and the of of state duties regarding collection of union dues does 'eliminate the unions'...

What it does is force the Union to care more about its workers than its politics. What it does is not allow an organization heavily slanted towards one side to take money from the minority of members who might disagree and use it *against the minorities political interest*

Quote:Thus all my thoughts mentioned on here before about eliminate public education, repeal child labor laws, minimum wage, EPA etc will likely occur in turn BENEFITTING the Koch brothers.

There was public education before unions you need to provide some framework for the massive leap of logic you're making here. Nor does the elimination of some collective bargaining open the door for child labor...

Quote:Of course, that is a long course to benefitting them. THere are other parts of the bill that benefit them shorter term.

Such as?
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(03-01-2011 12:37 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(03-01-2011 12:23 PM)RobertN Wrote:  It certainly does. I believe it was Rummy who was saying that getting rid of Unions will help the Republicans in elections.

So let me follow this... Mandatory state unions like the ones in Wisconsin which take, without choice, money from members (deducted by the state directly) then apply that money to left leaning politics regardless of what an individual member feels..

This is what the Democratic party needs to function???

03-lol03-lol03-lol03-lol

Quote:"while the activist rightwing supreme court said corporations could give as much as they want."

And yet rich Billionaires gave less htan one quarter of what the NEA gave in the last Wisconsin election...

Quote:I don't know how much of the 7% of Union membership is made up of public employees but I would have to imagine it is a fairly good percentage of that.

52% as of 2010 but that number is immaterial. Elimination of Collective Bargaining for things outside of compensation and the of of state duties regarding collection of union dues does 'eliminate the unions'...

What it does is force the Union to care more about its workers than its politics. What it does is not allow an organization heavily slanted towards one side to take money from the minority of members who might disagree and use it *against the minorities political interest*

Quote:Thus all my thoughts mentioned on here before about eliminate public education, repeal child labor laws, minimum wage, EPA etc will likely occur in turn BENEFITTING the Koch brothers.

There was public education before unions you need to provide some framework for the massive leap of logic you're making here. Nor does the elimination of some collective bargaining open the door for child labor...

Quote:Of course, that is a long course to benefitting them. THere are other parts of the bill that benefit them shorter term.

Such as?
03-lmfao Man, you are REALLY naive. Just reading your first comment(not to mention the rest of them) shows how out of touch with reality you are. Sorry but the collection of donations for campaigns doesn't work that way.
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RE: Koch Bros Unlimited
(03-01-2011 12:44 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(03-01-2011 12:37 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  So let me follow this... Mandatory state unions like the ones in Wisconsin which take, without choice, money from members (deducted by the state directly) then apply that money to left leaning politics regardless of what an individual member feels..

This is what the Democratic party needs to function???

03-lol03-lol03-lol03-lol
03-lmfao Man, you are REALLY naive. Just reading your first comment(not to mention the rest of them) shows how out of touch with reality you are. Sorry but the collection of donations for campaigns doesn't work that way.

Money within an organization, like a Union is fungible. Folks who think mandatory dues don't go towards political activities are like folks who think federal money to planned parenthood don't contribute to abortion..

And speaking of naive... Are you telling me all state laws regarding union dues and politicial activity are the same?

For example, during the 2004 presidential primaries many unions had several, in some cases far more than several, staff members in Iowa promoting their favorite candidates. They are full time staff members for the candidates' campaigns. They are highly skilled, highly paid political operatives. Their salaries, benefits and expenses are paid by the unions.

And Unions have a way of making you join their PAC's

"The mighty Service Employees International Union (SEIU) plans to spend some $150 million in this year's election, most of it to get Barack Obama and other Democrats elected. Where'd they get that much money?

That's a question the Departments of Labor and Justice are being asked to investigate by the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation. Specifically, the labor watchdog group wants Justice to query a new SEIU policy that appears to coerce local workers into funding the parent union's national political priorities.

The union adopted a new amendment to its constitution at last month's SEIU convention, requiring that every local contribute an amount equal to $6 per member per year to the union's national political action committee. This is in addition to regular union dues. Unions that fail to meet the requirement must contribute an amount in "local union funds" equal to the "deficiency," plus a 50% penalty. According to an SEIU union representative, this has always been policy, but has now simply been formalized.

No other major institution could get away with its bosses demanding that every single one of its workers step in line behind its political preferences. This is the sort of imposed political obeisance that infuriates so many workers and turns them away from unions."

But you go ahead keep your head in the sand... I bring facts you bring insults and baseless accusations... It's like you never left!
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