(03-02-2011 06:12 PM)Geaux Cajuns Wrote:  

(03-02-2011 04:47 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  

(03-02-2011 04:28 PM)VideoGreenEagle Wrote:  Lose the Pacific time zone and Utah schools, .....

Hold it a sec.

The 2 main ways to make money for your league is thru improving BCS conference standing through non-conference football wins and having a Kick-A$$ basketball program that could win tournament games.

Utah State has a Kick-A$$ basketball program.

They are worth every extra penny you have to spend to travel there my friend.

Never gonna happen, so you can get your hopes of Louisiana being in a Texas based league.

He makes excellent points, though. If it were Utah Valley, then I'd agree. But we are talking the Aggies here..

(03-02-2011 07:20 PM)UTSAisgreaterthanUNT Wrote:  

(03-02-2011 06:12 PM)Geaux Cajuns Wrote:  

(03-02-2011 04:47 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  

(03-02-2011 04:28 PM)VideoGreenEagle Wrote:  Lose the Pacific time zone and Utah schools, .....

Hold it a sec.

The 2 main ways to make money for your league is thru improving BCS conference standing through non-conference football wins and having a Kick-A$$ basketball program that could win tournament games.

Utah State has a Kick-A$$ basketball program.

They are worth every extra penny you have to spend to travel there my friend.

Never gonna happen, so you can get your hopes of Louisiana being in a Texas based league.

He makes excellent points, though. If it were Utah Valley, then I'd agree. But we are talking the Aggies here..

Umm, USU? The only way to make money is by advancing in the tourney... The conference gets the same amount of money either way, I went back to 1971 for both teams:

USU:
Final Fours 0
Tournament Record 6-21
Championship Seasons None
Tournament Appearances 19

Utah State Season By Season Results
SEASON W-L RESULTS
2010 0-1 Lost to Texas A&M in first round, 69-53
2009 0-1 Lost to Marquette in first round, 58-57
2006 0-1 Lost to Washington in first round, 75-61
2005 0-1 Lost to Arizona in first round, 66-53
2003 0-1 Lost to Kansas in first round, 64-61
2001 1-1 Defeated Ohio State in first round, 77-68
Lost to UCLA in second round, 75-50
2000 0-1 Lost to Connecticut in first round, 75-67
1998 0-1 Lost to Maryland in first round, 82-68
1988 0-1 Lost to Vanderbilt in first round, 80-77
1983 0-1 Lost to Iowa in first round, 64-59
1980 0-1 Lost to Clemson in first round, 76-73
1979 0-1 Lost to USC in first round, 86-67
1975 0-1 Lost to Montana in second round, 69-63
1971 0-1 Lost to Brigham Young in second round, 91-82


Would you rather be in a conference with USU or WKY?

WKY:
Final Fours 1
Tournament Record 18-22
Championship Seasons None
Tournament Appearances 21

Western Kentucky Season By Season Results
SEASON W-L RESULTS

2009 1-1 Defeated Illinois in first round, 76-72
Lost to Gonzaga in second round, 83-81

2008 2-1 Defeated Drake in first round, 101-99
Defeated San Diego in second round, 72-63
Lost to UCLA in regional semifinal, 88-78

2003 0-1 Lost to Illinois in first round, 65-60
2002 0-1 Lost to Stanford in first round, 84-68
2001 0-1 Lost to Florida in first round, 69-56

1995 1-1 Defeated Michigan in first round, 82-76
Lost to Kansas in second round, 75-70

1994 0-1 Lost to Texas in first round, 91-77

1993 2-1 Defeated Memphis in first round, 55-52
Defeated Seton Hall in second round, 72-68
Lost to Florida State in regional semifinal, 81-78

1987 1-1 Defeated West Virginia in first round, 64-62
Lost to Syracuse in second round, 104-86

1986 1-1 Defeated Nebraska in first round, 67-59
Lost to Kentucky in second round, 71-64

1981 0-1 Lost to UAB in first round, 93-68
1980 0-1 Lost to Virginia Tech in first round, 89-85

1978 1-1 Defeated Syracuse in second round, 87-86
Lost to Michigan State in regional semifinal, 90-69

1976 0-1 Lost to Marquette in second round, 79-60

1971 4-1 Defeated Jacksonville in second round, 74-72
Defeated Kentucky in regional semifinal, 107-83
Defeated Ohio State in regional final, 81-78
Lost to Villanova in National Semifinal, 92-89
Defeated Kansas in third place game, 77-75

(03-02-2011 07:20 PM)UTSAisgreaterthanUNT Wrote:  

(03-02-2011 06:12 PM)Geaux Cajuns Wrote:  

(03-02-2011 04:47 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  

(03-02-2011 04:28 PM)VideoGreenEagle Wrote:  Lose the Pacific time zone and Utah schools, .....

Hold it a sec.

The 2 main ways to make money for your league is thru improving BCS conference standing through non-conference football wins and having a Kick-A$$ basketball program that could win tournament games.

Utah State has a Kick-A$$ basketball program.

They are worth every extra penny you have to spend to travel there my friend.

Never gonna happen, so you can get your hopes of Louisiana being in a Texas based league.

He makes excellent points, though. If it were Utah Valley, then I'd agree. But we are talking the Aggies here..

Show me that in a football game.....

(03-02-2011 09:04 PM)stebo Wrote:  Would you rather be in a conference with USU or WKY?

It's a push.

All-time NCAA tourney wins

WAC
New Mexico State -- 10 wins
Utah State --------- 6 wins
Louisiana Tech ------ 4 wins

SBC
Western Kentucky --- 18 wins
South Alabama --------1 win
Little Rock ------------1 win

The fact remains that the new WAC would be a much better basketball league in terms of RPI than the SBC, and if UL were to join them, we would take our 4 tourney wins with us as well giving the new WAC the edge in your tourney win comparison.

(03-02-2011 12:13 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  I think it is funny we are using current RPI's for the WAC whenever the better teams in the WAC are leaving... makes sense to me.

Anytime I do an RPI comparison it is with the new WAC lineup only, with UL and UNT included.

(03-03-2011 10:12 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  

(03-02-2011 12:13 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  I think it is funny we are using current RPI's for the WAC whenever the better teams in the WAC are leaving... makes sense to me.

Anytime I do an RPI comparison it is with the new WAC lineup only, with UL and UNT included.

Well that doesn't make sense either because the bulk of ULL's and UNT's RPI comes from playing teams in the Sun Belt. The bulk of the other WAC teams are from playing teams in the WAC, including the teams who haven't left yet. Boise St., Fresno St., and Nevada are still counting in the other WAC member's RPI...

(03-03-2011 10:22 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(03-03-2011 10:12 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  

(03-02-2011 12:13 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  I think it is funny we are using current RPI's for the WAC whenever the better teams in the WAC are leaving... makes sense to me.

Anytime I do an RPI comparison it is with the new WAC lineup only, with UL and UNT included.

Well that doesn't make sense either because the bulk of ULL's and UNT's RPI comes from playing teams in the Sun Belt. The bulk of the other WAC teams are from playing teams in the WAC, including the teams who haven't left yet. Boise St., Fresno St., and Nevada are still counting in the other WAC member's RPI...

It's not perfect, but it's as close as I can get it.

And the basketball scores of those schools leaving aren't great anyway, except for Hawaii and Fresno Softball, which is countered with UL and UNT softball scores, if they join them.

I stand by my comaprison.

(03-03-2011 10:39 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  I stand by my comaprison.

The transposition of one letter really makes that interesting...

(03-03-2011 11:17 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(03-03-2011 10:39 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  I stand by my comaprison.

The transposition of one letter really makes that interesting...

That is pretty funny!

(03-01-2011 03:53 PM)UTSAisgreaterthanUNT Wrote:  

(03-01-2011 01:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Would Sun Belt teams leave for CUSA? Sure, so would any WAC. No point to be made there.

The difference between the Sun Belt and WAC is dollars and sense.

The WAC USED to generate good dollars, that is no longer the case and no one with any sense believes the WAC will continue to produce income at the prior level. Best case TV dollars drop to basically the same as the Sun Belt. That is best case. BCS dollars drop to the Sun Belt / MAC level but most likely WAC will be the bottom producer in BCS dollars. Unless another willing sucker er member is found the BCS agreement treats each WAC school as a non-Notre Dame independent. That means on a per team basis one-half of what Sun Belt received this year.

I wouldn't say best case. So far, everything has worked out in the WAC's favor, NCAA wise... Look for Lamar to be coming on board as the WAC's next full member (as mr. connections, I would expect you to know that already). Money wise, the WAC falls to Sun Belt level.

Quote: But look at travel in the WAC. Every Sun Belt member has at least one opponent they can bus/van to. Most have multiple. For example ULM can bus or take a van to every Sun Belt West division opponent once Denver departs as well as Troy and USA. Arkansas State typically will take a bus or van to every West division opponent except UL Lafayette and Denver and will bus/van to all but Denver in non-revenue sports. ASU will also bus/van in most sports to WKU, MTSU, and Troy.

The Texas State/UTSA/Tech group can bus/van to each other but must fly even in non-revenue sports to every other school. Denver ended up in the WAC in large part because they can be a combo trip as schools have to fly through Denver to get to their ultimate destination.

The WAC members will rely on Sun Belt or worse income while dealing with higher expenses.

Again, divisions would have to be created to ease travel and when Lamar comes on board, UL would have a handful of close schools in its division.

Quote:But back to stability.

UTSA and Texas State would accept a Sun Belt invite today if offered. Anyone doubting that has no clue about what is going on out there. If let's say UL or UNT accepted a WAC offer (which will not happen), UTSA and Texas State would be offered Sun Belt membership quickly and the poor suckers accepting WAC membership would be left twisting in the wind.

Not necessarily, though I buy this argument more than the others. Why would the Sun Belt go against its mantra of not taking any more FCS schools? Like someone else stated earlier, the belt can stand to lose a few schools and stay pat. Problem is, take UL out and I think your chances of poaching La Tech for stability purposes falls to 0. We, along with TSUSM will have new regional brethren in Texas and LA.. while in the Sun Belt, we would compete against ULM and UNT, both being the closest schools. That doesn't sound attractive at all.

The bowl situation will work itself, too. We are dropping bowls, but that was bound to happen with the regional realignment corresponding with conference realignment.

Wasn't talking about NCAA issues, I was talking about the free market. ESPN and the BCS.

WAC BCS revenue will plummet. The only question is how far. It will either be half of the lowest conference or if Lamar volunteers it will be as the lowest rated conference. Either way big loss from current revenue

If you believe ESPN is going to pay more than roughly $100,000 per team you are insane. That's what Sun Belt and MAC got last contract. The WAC offers nothing to TV of superior value to make this happen. Remember the first bowl game to dump the WAC was the most geographically appropriate bowl and it is owned and operated by ESPN.

Lamar is salvation? I remember when Lamar couldn't fund their football program and remember when they ran with their tail feathers tucked back to the SLC because they couldn't field competitive teams in the Sun Belt in basketball. Didn't work out too hot, their basketball has become even worse.

At the end of the day, if you aren't a BCS buster your true source of league revenue is basketball. It doesn't drive your TV but it pays for your bowl appearances and is a stable revenue source. The WAC is giving up three mediocre RPI producers for three (likely 5) that wouldn't be in the top half of the Sun Belt and this is a horrible year for the Sun Belt.

Divisions can help but you still have to go to Idaho (ever flown there? Hellacious road trip. In football you either fly in and bus nearly two hours or you fly to a city about an hour away, but when you take off, the plane can only take on enough fuel to get to Boise or another nearby city because enough fuel to get you home to Texas makes the plane too heavy to take off the short runway at altitude. In basketball you fly commerical and most flight options from San Antonio are in the 7 to 11 hour range, many with two connections and you are still nearly a hour away when you get there.

The thing no one speaks of his what happens to Idaho and SJSU after the departures? Neither program is on good financial footing today. What happens when their travel costs go up? What happens when their league revenue drops by about a third? How do they survive. Go look at SJSU's budget, looks much larger than ULM but if adjust for the higher expenses there by using a cost of living tool, you'll see it is identical to ULM's budget.

Maybe the bowl situation will work out, maybe it won't. Right now we are one game short of what you can license and feel confident every game will be played. The WAC will have to fund the creation of a new game (figure around $450,000 a year) but to get licensed you need an opponent. MWC and CUSA have no spots to give. MAC has two, Sun Belt should have one. Basically you are looking at paying $300,000 to $450,000 a year to create a game for your champ to face Sun Belt #3 or MAC #5.

(02-25-2011 04:05 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Strong rumblings on the WAC board that UL-Lafayette is in talks with the WAC. True ? False ?

WAC has sent out feelers to UL for possible consideration trying to guage reaction. With it's current membership, We are not interested,
but if there were to be a shift to the EAST, we might be.
Not worth worring about at this time. The Sunbelt is growing stronger
and the best thing we have going is our stability. Watch out though if we get our Football program winning consistantly. With Baseball & Softball sporting great traditions, Basketball back on the rise, only football keeps us from being considered . Attendance is the key,
#1 in SBC basketball, #1 in SBC (16 nationally ) in baseball.
# 1 in SBC in Softball with a new stadium set to be unveiled
in a few weeks. Baseball set to begin construction.. Conferences
want butts in the seats...

(03-03-2011 02:38 PM)Zulu Cajun Wrote:  

(02-25-2011 04:05 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Strong rumblings on the WAC board that UL-Lafayette is in talks with the WAC. True ? False ?

WAC has sent out feelers to UL for possible consideration trying to guage reaction. With it's current membership, We are not interested,
but if there were to be a shift to the EAST, we might be.
Not worth worring about at this time. The Sunbelt is growing stronger
and the best thing we have going is our stability. Watch out though if we get our Football program winning consistantly. With Baseball & Softball sporting great traditions, Basketball back on the rise, only football keeps us from being considered . Attendance is the key,
#1 in SBC basketball, #1 in SBC (16 nationally ) in baseball.
# 1 in SBC in Softball with a new stadium set to be unveiled
in a few weeks. Baseball set to begin construction.. Conferences
want butts in the seats...

+1

You don't need to sell us on UL. Just win some football games so can play La Tech, the WAC Champ, in their bowl game. Probably the San Antonio Bowl.

Our #3 v. their #1. Now that's rich.

Sounds like where we were 10 years ago to the day.

(03-03-2011 02:38 PM)Zulu Cajun Wrote:  WAC has sent out feelers to UL for possible consideration trying to guage reaction.

If yall are gonna jump, you might better hurry. I hear the University of Phoenix is in talks with the WAC....they may start an athletic program soon.

(03-03-2011 02:51 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(03-03-2011 02:38 PM)Zulu Cajun Wrote:  

(02-25-2011 04:05 PM)MG61 Wrote:  Strong rumblings on the WAC board that UL-Lafayette is in talks with the WAC. True ? False ?

WAC has sent out feelers to UL for possible consideration trying to guage reaction. With it's current membership, We are not interested,
but if there were to be a shift to the EAST, we might be.
Not worth worring about at this time. The Sunbelt is growing stronger
and the best thing we have going is our stability. Watch out though if we get our Football program winning consistantly. With Baseball & Softball sporting great traditions, Basketball back on the rise, only football keeps us from being considered . Attendance is the key,
#1 in SBC basketball, #1 in SBC (16 nationally ) in baseball.
# 1 in SBC in Softball with a new stadium set to be unveiled
in a few weeks. Baseball set to begin construction.. Conferences
want butts in the seats...

+1

And don't we have the largest single game crowds of in and out of conference play in football????

(03-03-2011 03:36 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(03-03-2011 02:38 PM)Zulu Cajun Wrote:  WAC has sent out feelers to UL for possible consideration trying to guage reaction.

If yall are gonna jump, you might better hurry. I hear the University of Phoenix is in talks with the WAC....they may start an athletic program soon.

I didnt know Troy was in talks with the WAC.