WHAT????????????????????? he branded kids and outside influences kept the lawsuit alive. I knew something was up here. Teachers are let go all the time. There is no such thing as tenure even though it's a great boogeyman for the right.

The creation lobby wanted to make him a martyr and was willing to spend the money on the lawsuit.

It's a strategy that creationist academics have stated to use when passed over for positions. I'm really surprised the MrTorch hasn't gotten in on this racket.

I knew there was something. 900,000 is a ridiculus amount of money. Probably worth it to the creationists though in publicity.

(02-23-2011 06:29 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-23-2011 04:39 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The Koch bros.

Are certifiable Ayn Rand titans of business, and I appreciate their funding of the Reason Foundation and CATO Institute. Koch isn't looking for a government handout like your liberal buddies ... they just want people to stop stealing from them and telling them what they can and cannot do.

The Koch's inherited their starting capital and business from their daddy.

And you truly believe they should be allowed to make money anyway they can? Unlimited pollution, child labor, unsafe working conditions? Is there any thing you object to?

(02-23-2011 10:20 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  from MLB's thread

http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/BillT...PSC_N.html

I couldn't believe it myself. There's no way it would fly. Your avg. teacher in Ottawa Hills would take a 50% cut. This particular part of the bill can't stand, but it is in there.

(02-23-2011 10:26 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  sect 124.152

I'm not seeing 30%+ cuts there. Narrow it down for us.

In Maryland that would be illegal. Better check the wiretapping laws for the states.

(02-23-2011 11:56 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Reb,

In post #37 there is a direct violation that recently has been brought to my attention. You are willfully subverting the profainty filter. Please refrain from this.

Grow a set of nuts, Mach. You want to start invoking Godwin's Law like a little ***** over a governor trying to balance his budget, don't expect civil discourse. You're essentially trying to shut other people down by comparing them to Nazis.

(02-24-2011 08:08 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-23-2011 10:20 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  from MLB's thread

http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/BillT...PSC_N.html

I couldn't believe it myself. There's no way it would fly. Your avg. teacher in Ottawa Hills would take a 50% cut. This particular part of the bill can't stand, but it is in there.

(02-23-2011 10:26 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  sect 124.152

I'm not seeing 30%+ cuts there. Narrow it down for us.

Yep. Me neither.

Help us out mach.

Main thing I'm looking for Mach is where it says that if you are a teacher with 5 years experience now, and make more money than the base salary, that your pay is cut to meet the new requirement.

(02-24-2011 12:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-23-2011 06:29 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-23-2011 04:39 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The Koch bros.

Are certifiable Ayn Rand titans of business, and I appreciate their funding of the Reason Foundation and CATO Institute. Koch isn't looking for a government handout like your liberal buddies ... they just want people to stop stealing from them and telling them what they can and cannot do.

The Koch's inherited their starting capital and business from their daddy.

So?

Quote:And you truly believe they should be allowed to make money anyway they can? Unlimited pollution, child labor, unsafe working conditions? Is there any thing you object to?

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/20...028449.php

(02-23-2011 05:08 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  From what I've read the bills in Wisc, NJ, Indiana, and Ohio are similiar in nature if not exact copies of each other. I can speak of Ohio's because I have read Ohio's I have not read Wisconsin's.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

–Pastor Martin Niemöller

So address this inconvenient truth

Quote:In the romantic liberal vision of this union uprising, determined workers are standing up to the powerful. But there's no fat-cat owner wanting to pocket more profits here. The unions' target in Wisconsin is the taxpayer.

At bottom, this is the unions versus the people.

Reb,


In the end you can't have two sets of rules. You can't warn one poster when another poster continually and habitually violates that very same rule. I would like MLB to give me a clarification on what exactly he meant when he sent me this. I believe you are also on this very same NCAABBS staff.

Dear Machiavelli

You have received a warning from the staff of NCAAbbs.
--

Going around the word filter... please refrain from this.



You do this constantly. Have you ever recieved such a warning Reb?

As for Niner. I don't understand what you don't understand. Read the bill. It's setting salaries. This is the reason it can't fly. IMO. They are already beginning to crumble. Jones put out a bill that has conflicts within itself. Unless they null and void local contracts. What if your local school board has no money issues? I've called my state senaor asking him these same questions. He hasn't returned my calls and my local union is aware of the conflicts but they have no answers either.

Mach, you ***** more than anyone I've seen on this board. You sure you're a guy?

Hey I can play by any set of rules. There just can't be two sets of rules. It's easy to call someone a whiny ***** and such when the rules aren't being enforced upon you. You are a joke. All encompassing joke who shouldn't be trusted with scissors.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy that exists on this site.

per the other discussion. I came across this gem

The minimum merit-based salary prescribed by section 3317.13 of the Revised Code for the licensed supervisory employee of the governing board;
(b) An amount equal to fifteen per cent of the salary prescribed by section 3317.13 of the Revised Code;


So in my case it will be over a 30% cut in pay to get a chance at 15%. Meanwhile my school distict has no financial troubles whatsoever. It's a JOKE.

Can you follow rules that exist for others? Simple question Reb. If you can't maybe you should recuse yourself from the spin room. Conflict of interest and such.

(02-24-2011 09:59 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  As for Niner. I don't understand what you don't understand. Read the bill.

I have. You haven't.

Quote:It's setting salaries.

When does it indicate that these new base salaries are retroactive mach? If you read the bill it only impacts CBA's that are entered into on, or after the bill becomes law. That means previous previsions in CBA's, including negotiated salaries, remain in effect. It also preserves the rights for the unions to continue CBAs. While it restricts their ability to negotiate higher base pay, it allows them to negotiate the merit increase amounts and the standards on which they are based. It eliminates giving a teacher a raise simply on time of service.

So based on this, no, they are not, as you assert, cutting your pay by 20k a year.

Unlike you, I completely understand what you don't understand. And it's a hell of a lot.

(02-24-2011 10:14 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Can you follow rules that exist for others? Simple question Reb. If you can't maybe you should recuse yourself from the spin room. Conflict of interest and such.

I recused myself from all political sections on NCAABBS years ago, speedy. Do try to keep up.

Niner,

I'm not a lwayer and I do think the langauge in the bill is very hard to follow. I'll wait for the finished product.