(02-18-2011 02:28 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Klake.. that's the problem. That wasn't the only option, he put himself in this position on purpose.

http://www.onewisconsinnow.org/press/wal...nding.html

He spent 140 million (the amount he's now saying he needs) on lobby's special interests his first month of getting an office.

Call it what it is, he just needed an excuse to get rid of the unions. If you have a problem with unions, so be it, that's a different argument, but to suggest this is because he wanted to balance the budget is a joke. He had other more practical options, i.e.. not giving a ton of money to special interest groups.

U46 has cut teachers. The majority of the schools are failing. Class sizes are well over 30 students. I personally would be happy to have my kids take a year off of school to reset the district. These pensions are unsustainable. We need to have a state box that you and robert can check to have more taxes taken out of your check so that you can pay these ridiculus pensions and benefits. I dont want to pay them anymore. If all the teachers quit, then I guess we need to hire all new teachers. Think we will have a problem, NO!

Klake.. did you even read what I said. You're such a child.

I said if you have a problem with unions, that's fine. That's not what I'm arguing at all..

The point is, this guy is not making these decisions because he wants to balance a budget. He could have easily done that if that was his goal. Your district is not relevant to the discussion in any way.

Pensions are the issue. Unions are the issue. Our government can not make quick decisions that are financially smart because of the unions and commitments to the outrageous pensions. Unions must go. They are bankrupting our government. If you want to keep paying for this, by all means, keep paying. I assume you are a government worker so this hits you at home. Unions strong arm governments especially teachers. Let them go on strike, fire them all and hire new ones. Personally, this should be done. The current teachers will hold a grudge and it will affect the students.

(02-18-2011 02:57 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Klake.. did you even read what I said. You're such a child.

I said if you have a problem with unions, that's fine. That's not what I'm arguing at all..

The point is, this guy is not making these decisions because he wants to balance a budget. He could have easily done that if that was his goal. Your district is not relevant to the discussion in any way.

Klake ignores reason.

(02-18-2011 03:21 PM)BobL Wrote:  

(02-18-2011 02:57 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Klake.. did you even read what I said. You're such a child.

I said if you have a problem with unions, that's fine. That's not what I'm arguing at all..

The point is, this guy is not making these decisions because he wants to balance a budget. He could have easily done that if that was his goal. Your district is not relevant to the discussion in any way.

Klake ignores reason.

No. I just ignore you.

(02-17-2011 12:43 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(02-17-2011 12:06 PM)klake87 Wrote:  Looks like Wisconsin might get rid of collective bargaining for governmental employees. This is a step in the right direction. I am glad to see they are making the hard choices

Scott Walker is my hero.

Yea! Lets **** on the working class some more! Lets run wages in this country down by getting rid of Unions, environmental regulations, get rid of minimum wage and use child labor to bring our wages(well except for yours, you are independently wealthy) down to China's level so we can start manufacturing products here again and selling them to our biggest market-China. Did you know that China is becoming more and more uniounized while we strive to be the old "commie" China. I just find it funny we are becoming what many here despised(quite frankly, I don't think you even know it). I just wish I could understand why you think people(collectively) having the power to negotiate their wage and benefits is a bad thing?

Another STUPID, ASININE, IDIOTIC comment from Robert - they never end!

Klake you should wear a "Teachers Suck" T-shirt to the tea-party counter rally tomorrow in Madison. That would make you very popular. I agree that unions need to sadjust just like the rest of us but I think it is pretty clear that the gov is not trying to balance the budget, he is trying to bust unions.

On a side note, study after study after study after study show that we are paying the lowest tax rates in 50 - 60 years. This problem is two-fold, one unions are not flexible enough and two, people just don't want to pay taxes, they want things to be free. Either way, it seems that we are a nation of morons. But at least we are American Exceptional Morons.

(02-18-2011 03:58 PM)BigDog Wrote:  KlOn a side note, study after study after study after study show that we are paying the lowest tax rates in 50 - 60 years. This problem is two-fold, one unions are not flexible enough and two, people just don't want to pay taxes, they want things to be free. Either way, it seems that we are a nation of morons. But at least we are American Exceptional Morons.

No they do not. They show that overall federal income tax rates are at a relative historic low. All of those studies note they do not include payroll taxes, which have never been higher (forgetting the current temporary tax cut). They also do not consider local and state taxes. I challenge you to find a study, even state by state, that shows our overall tax burden is at a historic low.

Ok Big GeorgeBorkFan, consider your challenge met. Here is one from USA Today.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxe...axes_N.htm

Don't let the facts smack you in the ass on the way out to the tea party rally. Funny how the tea in tea party means taxed enough already.

(02-18-2011 04:31 PM)BigDog Wrote:  Ok Big GeorgeBorkFan, consider your challenge met. Here is one from USA Today.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxe...axes_N.htm

Don't let the facts smack you in the ass on the way out to the tea party rally. Funny how the tea in tea party means taxed enough already.

That article is profoundly misleading. first and foremost it is counting temporary tax breaks with the stimulus. The article should state that they are going to expire. The Democrats will not make them permanent. Secondly, the article says, a direct quote "Consumers cut spending sharply in this downturn, thereby paying less in sales taxes." No s**t Sherlock! Lastly why does this article not go back 100 years when there was no income tax. The income tax as we know it came into effect in 1913. Before that most people paid no federal taxes and very little local and state taxes. Also the article quotes the Center for American Progress, one of the biggest liberal looney groups out there. RobertN even looks somewhat intellegent compared to the average Center for American Progress member.

One other point, the article does not address hidden taxes, fees for drivers licenses, title transfers, vehicle stickers, real estate transfer fees, etc. They are also a major tax burden to most individuals and families.

Remarkable how some people get very touchy at the idea that government, ideally, ought to be "run like a business", yet take it for granted that government workers should be able to unionize as if government already is a business.

(02-17-2011 05:51 PM)WhiskeyDick Wrote:  These unions have resulted in the state of Wisconsin being 3 billion in debt via ridiculously insane retirement and healthcare programs they voted in for themselves.

I don't know what the "real" # is (probably, no one does), but I've seen Wisconsin's state debt reported at $3.6b -- substantially more than just $3b.

The righty fat cats ( f 'ers) are only concerned with what they can squeeze out of any and everyone else and retreat behind their gated burbs, or maybe they plan on living where their money is, off shore. Of course the chicago tribune came down against the unions, wow big surprise. I wonder what the hell they expect anyone to use to buy products from their advertisers if the middle class is eviserated like the republickhands so desire. The irony to all this is that so many frightened white folk don't have a frickin clue what it really happening to them ( pawn asses) .

(02-18-2011 03:27 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(02-18-2011 03:21 PM)BobL Wrote:  

(02-18-2011 02:57 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Klake.. did you even read what I said. You're such a child.

I said if you have a problem with unions, that's fine. That's not what I'm arguing at all..

The point is, this guy is not making these decisions because he wants to balance a budget. He could have easily done that if that was his goal. Your district is not relevant to the discussion in any way.

Klake ignores reason.

No. I just ignore you.

As i said, you ignore reason.

(02-18-2011 04:31 PM)BigDog Wrote:  Ok Big GeorgeBorkFan, consider your challenge met. Here is one from USA Today.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxe...axes_N.htm

Don't let the facts smack you in the ass on the way out to the tea party rally. Funny how the tea in tea party means taxed enough already.

Hey junior:

Try reading the article and making sense of it. Hell, I went to the BEA website and couldn't find the info the article cites. While it mentions sales taxes below, it doesn't mention them at top in the overall rates. It doesn't mention real estate taxes. It doesn't mention capital gains taxes. It doesn't mention payroll taxes.

So, try again. See if you can find a real source, not the newspaper targetting the ADD crowd.

People watch too much tv, they see the protests in Egypt and want their fair share of publicity and go protesting. UGh.

He's the FACT. The financial crisis in Wisconsin (and Illinois, and New Jersey, and California, and other states) is significantly owed to crushing expenditures on retirement and healthcare benefits for government employees. The equation has to change. But that's the problems with the liberals...they want their cake and eat it too. They don't want to deal with the problem. Wonder if they say the same thing when states turn to mass layoffs as the alternative to pension reform.

The governor of Wisconsin is going to win. And thankfully his work shall serve as blueprint for 41 other states across the union to start dealing with a crisis head-on.

Governor Walker is a hero.

Have you noticed how WHITE the protesters are in Madison? Looks like a KKK rally ......

I guess the question now becomes, can they recall enough state senators fast enough to avoid having to pass the(or a compromise) bill? They only need to recall three. Unfortunately, the King of Wisconsin can't be recalled until after one year in office.

(02-18-2011 02:51 PM)klake87 Wrote:  

(02-18-2011 02:28 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Klake.. that's the problem. That wasn't the only option, he put himself in this position on purpose.

http://www.onewisconsinnow.org/press/wal...nding.html

He spent 140 million (the amount he's now saying he needs) on lobby's special interests his first month of getting an office.

Call it what it is, he just needed an excuse to get rid of the unions. If you have a problem with unions, so be it, that's a different argument, but to suggest this is because he wanted to balance the budget is a joke. He had other more practical options, i.e.. not giving a ton of money to special interest groups.

U46 has cut teachers. The majority of the schools are failing. Class sizes are well over 30 students. I personally would be happy to have my kids take a year off of school to reset the district. These pensions are unsustainable. We need to have a state box that you and robert can check to have more taxes taken out of your check so that you can pay these ridiculus pensions and benefits. I dont want to pay them anymore. If all the teachers quit, then I guess we need to hire all new teachers. Think we will have a problem, NO!

Your own fault for living within the U46 boundaries.
Do something about it, run for the school board.