(02-16-2011 12:23 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 12:13 PM)Rebel Wrote:  How the **** is Kerry a "War hero"?

How the **** is Obama a liberal?

My God, it is a brain injury.

(02-16-2011 12:22 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  This is for the two new guys. Besides climate change and evolution. Torch brings it. He has a unique viewpoint you don't come across often. Some of his posts on education are spot on and this is coming from an educator.

Without the good Dr. Torch the spin room would really be lame. I have a point of view that some accept and some reject but mostly I enjoy spiking the blood pressure of CONservatives. I mean Sumofallfears is a birther and Rebel hasn't had an original thought since I've been here. TORCH is OK by me
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Now that I understand the nature of the "spin room" (limited group of posters) I intend to dial it back a bit. I am thankfiul for the forum and I have probably had too much fun on here. I am pretty sure it would be a blast to share a beer with Torch, Sumofallfears, Rebel & the rest of you conservatives. While I contend my views are correct, I alway reserve the right to be wrong. I am a social justice kind of guy that believes in truth, justice, peace and the American way. I'm still gonna keep you straight and bring the FACTS

You aren't BRINGING any facts, numbnuts. You simply divert and try to shirk off everything Obama does that's bad for the economy, which is just about everything, as him being a conservative (BULLSH1T). Trust me, everyone thinks you're a complete and total moron.

(02-16-2011 12:44 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The majority of Republicans believe he was born outside of the US. Think about that.

And he still won't offer absolute proof. Think about that.

(02-16-2011 02:17 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 12:44 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The majority of Republicans believe he was born outside of the US. Think about that.

And he still won't offer absolute proof. Think about that.

He already has, but even if he did provide the certificate of live birth (trust me, he was born alive ) as soon as he did you guys will still claim it was a forgery. Think about that.

And Rebel, I have already responded to your bullying on at least two occasions with actual facts and you just conveniently forget to see them, so what good would it do for MP to do so anyway?

What facts have you provided that Obama is a conservative?

...waiting...

...and it's not bullying. This is the spin room. Grow a pair.

(02-16-2011 03:22 PM)Rebel Wrote:  ...and it's not bullying. This is the spin room. Grow a pair.

The stuff he's seen so far is mild. When the heat get turned up I wonder what he'll do?

Actually, his statements are all over the place, I think he's here more to stir things up than discuss the issues. He doesn't think Obama is a liberal? Really? Obama will tell you he's a liberal.

(02-16-2011 02:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 02:17 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 12:44 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The majority of Republicans believe he was born outside of the US. Think about that.

And he still won't offer absolute proof. Think about that.

He already has, but even if he did provide the certificate of live birth (trust me, he was born alive ) as soon as he did you guys will still claim it was a forgery. Think about that.

And Rebel, I have already responded to your bullying on at least two occasions with actual facts and you just conveniently forget to see them, so what good would it do for MP to do so anyway?

You then admit Obama has not provided a "certificate of live birth", by your own words. If so, Why? Everyone else has to provide it at various times in their life. Think about it. And its not just the certificate of live birth, its his SS# issued from a state he never resided in. Think about it. And his college records, Didn't he apply as a foreign exchange student? Think, question after question. Do you not WANT the truth, lemming. Question your leaders. Think, think...... Freedom means the electorate deserves the truth from their leaders. Think about his passport, dual citizenship? Think man, Think, use that brain for something other than an ear separator. The TRUTH.

(02-16-2011 12:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 12:16 PM)Rebel Wrote:  ...and just to tell you politics has nothing to do with my last statement, Bob Kerrey, D-NE was a war hero. Daniel Inouye, D-HI was a war hero. JOHN Kerry was NO such thing. You cheapen real war heroes by comparing them to that Lurch-looking dirtbag.

The cold and undisputed truth is that Vice Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, Commander Naval Forces Vietnam, personally selected the Silver Star award for Kerry and personally pinned the Silver Star on Kerry's chest at a ceremony at our Coastal Division 11 base in An Thoi, South Vietnam just days after the action. A decoration, like every other award for heroism, that was recommended by his Division Officer and endorsed by then Captain Roy L. Hoffmann. According to Zumwalt, he actually wanted to give Kerry an even higher award, the Navy Cross, but decided upon a Silver Star because he wished to make the award as expeditiously as possible. ~ Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy, distinguished combat veteran, and retired Navy Captain, Wade Sanders
http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,..._1,00.html

It should ALWAYS cause you to be suspect when the cite for an opionion by someone comes from someone else... If Zumwalt wanted something to happen, he would have made it happen... ESPECIALLY something as important to a Career Navy man as a Navy Cross. That's like saying the pope WANTED mother Theresa sainted, but decided to just give her a new Bible instead because it was easier.

(02-16-2011 03:39 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Actually, his statements are all over the place, I think he's here more to stir things up than discuss the issues. He doesn't think Obama is a liberal? Really? Obama will tell you he's a liberal.

He's admitted so... which is tough on people like me. I come here for honest discussion... and sarcasm is often lost, unless you follow people and react to them as "people" as opposed to just "post #16". I tend to read and respond... and often decide LATER if I should have responded differently because of who the person is and their "e-personality".

(02-16-2011 04:17 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 02:51 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 02:17 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 12:44 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The majority of Republicans believe he was born outside of the US. Think about that.

And he still won't offer absolute proof. Think about that.

He already has, but even if he did provide the certificate of live birth (trust me, he was born alive ) as soon as he did you guys will still claim it was a forgery. Think about that.

You then admit Obama has not provided a "certificate of live birth", by your own words.

A certificate of Live birth and a Birth Certificate in Hawaii weren't the same thing when Obama was born. My mother was born there... well before Obama, and has both. Her "Certificate of Live Birth" wasn't sufficient to get a marriage license in Kansas or a passport in Virginia. As she understood it growing up, the "Certificate of Live Birth" was used because many natives didn't live near or go to hospitals etc when children were born... The certificate was a simple attestation made by someone of the nature of a birth. No paternity test... no evidence of dates required. Can't swear that was the case, but that is how she understood it growing up, and it makes sens.

Proof of nothing, but yes... given how easy it would be to prove... makes you wonder.

(02-16-2011 02:13 PM)Rebel Wrote:  You aren't BRINGING any facts, numbnuts. You simply divert and try to shirk off everything Obama does that's bad for the economy, which is just about everything, as him being a conservative (BULLSH1T). Trust me, everyone thinks you're a complete and total moron.

Well I guess the beer is OUT

(02-16-2011 03:39 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 03:22 PM)Rebel Wrote:  ...and it's not bullying. This is the spin room. Grow a pair.

The stuff he's seen so far is mild. When the heat get turned up I wonder what he'll do?

Actually, his statements are all over the place, I think he's here more to stir things up than discuss the issues. He doesn't think Obama is a liberal? Really? Obama will tell you he's a liberal.

Any liberal will tell you he's not

(02-16-2011 02:17 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 12:44 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The majority of Republicans believe he was born outside of the US. Think about that.

And he still won't offer absolute proof. Think about that.

factcheck.org (whose stock in trade are facts) has inspected the "embossed" birth certificate and has pictures posted on the site, but since some on this board won't even accept climate data from NOAA I don't expect you to believe this either.

(02-16-2011 06:25 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 03:39 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 03:22 PM)Rebel Wrote:  ...and it's not bullying. This is the spin room. Grow a pair.

The stuff he's seen so far is mild. When the heat get turned up I wonder what he'll do?

Actually, his statements are all over the place, I think he's here more to stir things up than discuss the issues. He doesn't think Obama is a liberal? Really? Obama will tell you he's a liberal.

Any liberal will tell you he's not

Anyone to left of him, and I know there's a lot of them, would be categorized as extremists. Both sides have them.

(02-16-2011 12:13 PM)Rebel Wrote:  How the **** is Kerry a "War hero"?

3 Purple Hearts that were mocked at the GOP convention by delegates wearing band-aides with Purple Heart decals. Not cool.

We have a skewed sense of the center on this board. The right is sooooooo far right the center is left. THERE IS NO FAR LEFT. We may have 20 "extreme" liberal house members out of the 535 people in both houses of congress. When I say far left I'm talkin' socialist. Was Clinton left? If you answer yes then you are too far gone.

(02-16-2011 06:30 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 02:17 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 12:44 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The majority of Republicans believe he was born outside of the US. Think about that.

And he still won't offer absolute proof. Think about that.

factcheck.org (whose stock in trade are facts) has inspected the "embossed" birth certificate and has pictures posted on the site, but since some on this board won't even accept climate data from NOAA I don't expect you to believe this either.

I just checked factcheck http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/...e_usa.html and what they show is a certified copy of a certificate of live birth, not a birth certificate signed by those involved. I was born a few years before Obama and there is a lot of stuff on my certificate that doesn't appear Obama's.

I'm not saying that Obama isn't a citizen, he might be....probably is even, what I'm saying is this is such an easy thing to put to bed and all we get is the run around.

(02-16-2011 06:44 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  When I say far left I'm talkin' socialist. Was Clinton left? If you answer yes then you are too far gone.

Clinton was to the left.....of center. He was a moderate liberal.

(02-16-2011 06:44 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  We have a skewed sense of the center on this board. The right is sooooooo far right the center is left. THERE IS NO FAR LEFT.

Most people here are moderates be they left or right. There just happens to be more conservatives than liberals at the moment. No, there is no far left and there is no far right. We're kinda grouped around the center, the real center that is.

By the way, my name is Steve from Southern California. Welcome to the board.

(02-16-2011 06:50 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 06:44 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  When I say far left I'm talkin' socialist. Was Clinton left? If you answer yes then you are too far gone.

Clinton was to the left.....of center. He was a moderate liberal.

I'll buy that but he would have to be between the 40 yard lines while Kucinich and Bachman are closer to their respective 10 yard lines