Between the wars and the Bush/Obama Tax cuts we are bleeding red ink. I liked Obama better before he became a CONservative.

(02-16-2011 10:42 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  Between the wars and the Bush/Obama Tax cuts we are bleeding red ink. I liked Obama better before he became a CONservative.

You f'n retarded if you think there is anything conservative about Obama.

(02-16-2011 09:44 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-15-2011 11:40 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-15-2011 12:09 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-14-2011 08:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Didn't W's budgets leave out the war costs?
If so, does O's include them?

It's actually immaterial relative to the size of the budget as a whole.
The left wants to make the whole deficit the fault of the "Bush tax cuts" and the "failed wars," both of them being continued by Obama, by the way.
But if you look at the numbers, that's not where the deficit is coming from. The amounts related to those things are a small part of the deficit.

How much were the war costs? Back in 2008 the Pentagon listed the cost at $600 billion and still counting. The CBO estimated about $100 billion per year. I would say that's significant.

When the annual deficit is more than ten times that?

Immaterial may be a bad word. But blaming a trillion dollar deficit on two wars that cost $100 billion, and a tax cut for the "rich" that costs $70 billion, while ignoring the other 85-90% is a bit disingenuous at best--and an outright lie at worst.

We shouldn't have spent $600 billion on the wars, because no war should last that long--get in, get done, go home. Two years, max--and bin Laden and Mullah Omar should be dead in that time frame, because that should have been your objective--not winning hearts and minds. We could probably win more hearts and minds at this point by getting the hell out. Like it or not, we're in the empire business--and we should not be.

But don't blame the deficit on the wars, or the "Bush tax cuts," when the numbers say that 85-90% of it comes from somewhere else.

First and foremost, we should not go to war without the will to win, unconditionally. Our civilian leaders of today do not have the fortitude to go in it to win it. Today, for example, the Fire Bombing of Tokyo, would not happen. Even if it would lead to a decisive victory.

When you point out the comparative cost of the war and the size of the actual problem debt, you are making such a huge, unimaginable problem comparison, it falls on conservative and liberal deaf ears alike. We are being dumb-downed by the enormity of the debt problem.

Between Rebel and Torch I haven't had to buy food all week because I've been eating your lunch

Quote:Yeah, they even make you look less stupid.

This is unfortunate in my opinion. I certainly don't find you stupid. If anything, I find you intelligent. I've come to enjoy some of your viewpoints. The two new guys (if they decide to stick around), if they give you a chance will see that too. No one eats anyone's lunch around here. It's a unique place.

This is for the two new guys. Besides climate change and evolution. Torch brings it. He has a unique viewpoint you don't come across often. Some of his posts on education are spot on and this is coming from an educator.

(02-16-2011 10:53 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  Between Rebel and Torch I haven't had to buy food all week because I've been eating your lunch

Did you have a brain injury in your past? There is NOTHING conservative about Obama. He was the most liberal senator IN the Senate and governing the same damn way. You idiots can't lay all the negatives on YOUR guy at conservatives feet and take credit for any good that occurs. This isn't kindergarten, you f'n punk.

(02-16-2011 10:42 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  Between the wars and the Bush/Obama Tax cuts we are bleeding red ink. I liked Obama better before he became a CONservative.

As Owl and many other conservatives on this board have pointed out. The conduct of the war and the bush tax cuts are a small part of our bleeding red ink driving us on the road to ruin. Pointing to tax cuts and the war over and over, does not make it true. Comprehend this one thing, I doubt you will, and your exercise here in the spin room would not be lost.

As a well respected, highly educated, overly credentialed, and unanimously elected leader of this Spin Room, I demand less name calling by everyone. Having a couple libtards (this is accepted use, however unfair it is to the mentally challanged community) in the Spin is good.

Don't make me bring out the banhammer, or worse, ask Terry Tate to come an' visit.

(My actual resemblence to the above, or my ability to summon things or people, may be exagerated. BUT CAN YOU TAKE THE CHANCE?)

I really wish there were a smackdown WWE version of the spinroom so some of the Neanderthals could crawl to it.

cause you know it and I know it............. these two will soon tire and leave.

(02-16-2011 11:48 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  cause you know it and I know it............. these two will soon tire and leave.

Not our fault they're *******.

(02-16-2011 11:17 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 10:53 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  Between Rebel and Torch I haven't had to buy food all week because I've been eating your lunch

Did you have a brain injury in your past? There is NOTHING conservative about Obama. He was the most liberal senator IN the Senate and governing the same damn way. You idiots can't lay all the negatives on YOUR guy at conservatives feet and take credit for any good that occurs. This isn't kindergarten, you f'n punk.

I remember when Kerry (the war hero) was the most liberal

How the **** is Kerry a "War hero"?

...and just to tell you politics has nothing to do with my last statement, Bob Kerrey, D-NE was a war hero. Daniel Inouye, D-HI was a war hero. JOHN Kerry was NO such thing. You cheapen real war heroes by comparing them to that Lurch-looking dirtbag.

This is for the two new guys. Besides climate change and evolution. Torch brings it. He has a unique viewpoint you don't come across often. Some of his posts on education are spot on and this is coming from an educator.
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Without the good Dr. Torch the spin room would really be lame. I have a point of view that some accept and some reject but mostly I enjoy spiking the blood pressure of CONservatives. I mean Sumofallfears is a birther and Rebel hasn't had an original thought since I've been here. TORCH is OK by me

(02-16-2011 12:13 PM)Rebel Wrote:  How the **** is Kerry a "War hero"?

How the **** is Obama a liberal?

(02-16-2011 12:16 PM)Rebel Wrote:  ...and just to tell you politics has nothing to do with my last statement, Bob Kerrey, D-NE was a war hero. Daniel Inouye, D-HI was a war hero. JOHN Kerry was NO such thing. You cheapen real war heroes by comparing them to that Lurch-looking dirtbag.

The cold and undisputed truth is that Vice Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, Commander Naval Forces Vietnam, personally selected the Silver Star award for Kerry and personally pinned the Silver Star on Kerry's chest at a ceremony at our Coastal Division 11 base in An Thoi, South Vietnam just days after the action. A decoration, like every other award for heroism, that was recommended by his Division Officer and endorsed by then Captain Roy L. Hoffmann. According to Zumwalt, he actually wanted to give Kerry an even higher award, the Navy Cross, but decided upon a Silver Star because he wished to make the award as expeditiously as possible. ~ Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy, distinguished combat veteran, and retired Navy Captain, Wade Sanders
http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,..._1,00.html

(02-16-2011 12:22 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  This is for the two new guys. Besides climate change and evolution. Torch brings it. He has a unique viewpoint you don't come across often. Some of his posts on education are spot on and this is coming from an educator.


Without the good Dr. Torch the spin room would really be lame. I have a point of view that some accept and some reject but mostly I enjoy spiking the blood pressure of CONservatives. I mean Sumofallfears is a birther and Rebel hasn't had an original thought since I've been here. TORCH is OK by me

PeaWee, you have no comprehension of what the issues are concerning Obama and his eligibility. You are just a liberal talking point regurgitater.

You are like a one legged man at an a$$ kicking contest.

(02-16-2011 12:33 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(02-16-2011 12:22 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  This is for the two new guys. Besides climate change and evolution. Torch brings it. He has a unique viewpoint you don't come across often. Some of his posts on education are spot on and this is coming from an educator.


Without the good Dr. Torch the spin room would really be lame. I have a point of view that some accept and some reject but mostly I enjoy spiking the blood pressure of CONservatives. I mean Sumofallfears is a birther and Rebel hasn't had an original thought since I've been here. TORCH is OK by me

PeaWee, you have no comprehension of what the issues are concerning Obama and his eligibility.

I certainly don't but you and Orly Taitz (or is it Oily Taint) can enlighten me

The majority of Republicans believe he was born outside of the US. Think about that.