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Good commentaries on NFL's corporate cronyism
http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/20...ustry.html

Coyote starts w/ some links to other articles.

This is an area where people across the political spectrum can agree. Would be nice to cooperate and make progress to eliminate this nonsense, then we can go back to our own personal agendas.
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The stadium where the Giants play was torn down before it was paid off. Tax payers eat the cost, but hey, NJ loves taxes.

This part of the article is a little misleading:
Quote:Here is a great way to think about it — many new NFL stadiums cost in the one billion dollar range. That is a billion dollars for a building that is used 3 hours per day for 10 days a year (8 regular season and 2 preseason games). A billion dollars for a building with 0.3% occupancy. How can a private entity afford such an investment and still pay multi-million dollar salaries to their employees? They can’t. Which is why you and I as taxpayers are so often on the hook for the costs.

When I lived in NJ there was more happening at the Meadowlands than just football. There were concerts, band competitions, motocross, lotsa stuff. Just not enougn to pay the damn place off. But hey, NJ loves high taxes.
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(02-14-2011 01:45 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  The stadium where the Giants play was torn down before it was paid off. Tax payers eat the cost, but hey, NJ loves taxes.

This part of the article is a little misleading:
Quote:Here is a great way to think about it — many new NFL stadiums cost in the one billion dollar range. That is a billion dollars for a building that is used 3 hours per day for 10 days a year (8 regular season and 2 preseason games). A billion dollars for a building with 0.3% occupancy. How can a private entity afford such an investment and still pay multi-million dollar salaries to their employees? They can’t. Which is why you and I as taxpayers are so often on the hook for the costs.

When I lived in NJ there was more happening at the Meadowlands than just football. There were concerts, band competitions, motocross, lotsa stuff. Just not enougn to pay the damn place off. But hey, NJ loves high taxes.

Agree. In fact, that was exactly my comment on Coyote's blog.

I imagine that some places have more going on than others. In the end, just like you say, none of it is enough to pay off the places.

I'd much rather see communities demand that any publiclly-funded venue serve multiple purposes. Two, three, four sports, various shows and conventions. Seems that the owners got so spoiled that they insisted that a multiple sports facility wasn't good enough. The sports media backed that position (hey, they have a vested interest in the bubble).
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And here's the real crotch kick: The Jets and Giants play in Jersey but they're called the NY Giants and NY Jets. That's been s a sore point from day one. That's why the original satdium had a picture of the state at the 50 yeard line.

I may be wrong but I think the Packers have their **** together.
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What is front and center in MN these days? A new Vikings stadium of course.

The Vikings want an non-enclosed outdoor stadium, and are willing to pay x% of the total cost for a non-enclosed outdoor stadium. The people who support a new stadium (not I, no-way no-how not-now,) who of course will be on the hook for a large % of the total cost, are demanding a closed or retractable roof design. A roof which will add 30% to the cost of the stadium, for a total estimate of 700 million dollars (to start, depends on the exact location.) to one billion dollars.

Clever of the Vikes, no? "We'll support x amount of a facility that we know is unrealistic, and cheaper, and has no chance of being built as we describe!"

A roof is important up here, for obvious reasons (insert inflatable roof joke here). The Metrodumb hosts on average an event every day of the week (current deflated year excluded, of course.)
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The thing about large media markets is that there are only so many of them - as Al Davis found out - and you would think the ideal location would hold all the cards rather than the teams. A professional sports team needs to be in a highly populated area and with some exceptions we see the 4 majors grouped roughly in the same markets. Since building stadiums are proven losers you'd think there would be no more subsidies thus forcing the 4 majors to pony up and chip in for stadiums they can all use. A stadium that has baseball and football would probably be off to a very good start, whiy this doesn't happen more is beyond me. Is there any reason why basketball and hockey can't be played in a big stadium rather than an arena? If so, one building can possibly accommodate 4 teams and just might turn a profit.
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(02-14-2011 03:57 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  A roof is important up here, for obvious reasons (insert inflatable roof joke here). The Metrodumb hosts on average an event every day of the week (current deflated year excluded, of course.)

Do you mean it hosts 365 events/year?

Does it even come close to breaking even on costs?

(02-14-2011 04:12 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  The thing about large media markets is that there are only so many of them - as Al Davis found out - and you would think the ideal location would hold all the cards rather than the teams.

I've thought the same thing. In fact Steve Czaban sounded like a fool when DC started making demands of MLB (03-melodramatic) when they were moving the Expos/Nats. My thought was, "Where else will they go Czabe? New Orleans? Portaland? Las Vegas? 03-lmfao)

But, the NFL has been crafty by keeping the LA market open. Always a threat looming over every city. I've heard explicitly these threats leveled against Buffalo, Cincinnati, Jacksonville, Minnesota. I do believe Jax will eventually move, but in the mean time they've leveraged a lot of fear from several communities.

In the end, we all know what the big cities are. It's no secret. All I can say is that they have been successful w/ threats against teams like the Baltimore Colts. But even then, the CFL moved in and got very solid attendance while they were there, and most B'morons hate Indianapolis. Do you really want to play that shuffle game and have the entire country hate your league?
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I think our leaders need to step back and take a real look at the economics a football team brings them. Using the example I'm most familiar with, the Meadowlands, I don't see how the local economy is improved very much even though two teams play there. When you're in the complex you can either go to the arena, the stadium, or the race track. Once you leave any of them there's no place to go. Take a look at Wrigley Field, Yankee Stadium, Madison Square Garden, Fenway park and probably many other arenas where once the game has ended and you leave the building you're among stores and restaurants. During baseball season these stores would see good business opportunities during 81 home games. During basketball and hockey - about 40 good days each. But for football it's only 10. When I used to go to the Meadowlands once i left I was more likely to drive 20 minutes to get home rather than drive around unfamiliar cities looking for a place to eat. But what does that get in terms of other economic benefits? During football season the beer guy has to make 10 deliveries. The beer salesman gets to sell beer 10 times. And the guy who picks up the beer cups gets to work 10 days over 4 months. Oh sure, the million dollar rookie might buy some jazzy sports car but does that spur economic growth?

Football has gotten to the point where it's now big news here in So Cal when the Chargers sell out and the TV blackout is lifted (the team either gives away the tickets or sells them dirt cheap). Al Davis hedged his bets with Oakland by getting the city to guarantee sellouts. Oakland and San Fran should probably share a stadium like the Jets and Giants do which would make things cheaper across the board. Some advice: Never wear a Bronco jersey to a Raider home game.

Stanley, Why in the world is MN considering an open stadium? And how does the NFL pick NJ for the 2014 Super Bowl? February is NJ's coldest month.

Spending money on a football team is all mind over matter, there probably is no economic sense to it. It makes your heart bigger but your wallet smaller. Yeah, the mayor and/or governor will get free tickets to playoff games but what does that get you and me? And if you're a Giant fan looking to get season tickets the waiting list is tens of years long. With a line that long they ain't moving so why build them anything, especially when most of the seaosn ticket holders are corporations who wont cringe at the price gouging.

Speaking of price gouging, just when you think they can't get any deeper into your pocket someone comes up with the Personal Seat License, you have to buy a piece of paper that allows you to buy a ticket, and people actually do it.
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