http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/2...rich-lowry

Quote:Hosni Mubarak can count on at least one loyal supporter. Coptic Christian leader Pope Shenouda wants the anti-Mubarak protesters to stand down. He has two inarguable reasons to stick with the dictator: fear and experience.

Even if the Muslim Brotherhood doesn’t take over, there is every reason to believe that a democratically elected Egyptian government will become more Islamist and more hostile to the country’s roughly 8 million Christians, who are overwhelmingly Copts. As a horrifying premonition, the Copts need look no farther than democratic Iraq, where the ethnic cleansing of Christians is still unspooling, slowly but inexorably.

(02-11-2011 01:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/2...rich-lowry

Quote:Hosni Mubarak can count on at least one loyal supporter. Coptic Christian leader Pope Shenouda wants the anti-Mubarak protesters to stand down. He has two inarguable reasons to stick with the dictator: fear and experience.

Even if the Muslim Brotherhood doesn’t take over, there is every reason to believe that a democratically elected Egyptian government will become more Islamist and more hostile to the country’s roughly 8 million Christians, who are overwhelmingly Copts. As a horrifying premonition, the Copts need look no farther than democratic Iraq, where the ethnic cleansing of Christians is still unspooling, slowly but inexorably.

But we freed the Iraqis from a bad guy, right?

Post-Mubarak, I think Egypt gets even worse as opposed to better. I hope I'm wrong on this, but this is the Middle East we're talking about. Tolerance and individual freedoms aren't their strong suits.

even that late night liberal political comic raised this concern supposedly 85% of the population favor Sharia law

(02-11-2011 04:25 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

Quote:As a horrifying premonition, the Copts need look no farther than democratic Iraq, where the ethnic cleansing of Christians is still unspooling, slowly but inexorably.

But we freed the Iraqis from a bad guy, right?

Yes, we did.

(02-11-2011 04:25 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-11-2011 01:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/2...rich-lowry

Quote:Hosni Mubarak can count on at least one loyal supporter. Coptic Christian leader Pope Shenouda wants the anti-Mubarak protesters to stand down. He has two inarguable reasons to stick with the dictator: fear and experience.

Even if the Muslim Brotherhood doesn’t take over, there is every reason to believe that a democratically elected Egyptian government will become more Islamist and more hostile to the country’s roughly 8 million Christians, who are overwhelmingly Copts. As a horrifying premonition, the Copts need look no farther than democratic Iraq, where the ethnic cleansing of Christians is still unspooling, slowly but inexorably.

But we freed the Iraqis from a bad guy, right?

Who knew that the bulk of the other 25 million Iraqis were also fundamentally bad people? Of course, since it was the society that produced Sadaam, that was actually pretty well known, but it was not clear that they were as bad as they have proven to be.

America can save the world. We just need to spend a little more money.

(02-14-2011 02:42 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  America can save the world. We just need to spend a little more money.

If it means the difference between (say) Mubarek or the Shah, on the one hand, and (say) bin Laden or Khomeini, on the other hand, then it's money well-squandered.

(02-14-2011 02:32 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(02-11-2011 04:25 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(02-11-2011 01:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/2...rich-lowry

Quote:Hosni Mubarak can count on at least one loyal supporter. Coptic Christian leader Pope Shenouda wants the anti-Mubarak protesters to stand down. He has two inarguable reasons to stick with the dictator: fear and experience.

Even if the Muslim Brotherhood doesn’t take over, there is every reason to believe that a democratically elected Egyptian government will become more Islamist and more hostile to the country’s roughly 8 million Christians, who are overwhelmingly Copts. As a horrifying premonition, the Copts need look no farther than democratic Iraq, where the ethnic cleansing of Christians is still unspooling, slowly but inexorably.

But we freed the Iraqis from a bad guy, right?

Who knew that the bulk of the other 25 million Iraqis were also fundamentally bad people? Of course, since it was the society that produced Sadaam, that was actually pretty well known, but it was not clear that they were as bad as they have proven to be.

I might choose a different word than "bad", but the point is well taken.

My earlier comment about 85% preferring Sharia law feeds into this...

We assume that when a "bad" leader is overthrown, he will be replaced in a "free" election with someone who thinks about freedom as we do... Unfortunately, the freedom they often seem to seek is the freedom to stone women for being raped and to kill anyone who disagrees with their view of the world. Iran (numerous times) Iraq, now Egypt... the list is VERY long. They say words to us like religious freedom and we (lead by the media) jump on it like dogs in heat, but they don't seem to mean it in ANY way like WE do.

It's the very reason I'm liberal in many ways and on many issues, but could NEVER be a Democrat. Too many mainstream democrats (like the right wing fringe they so often villify) only want the freedom to control MY freedom... and NOT freedom itself. I THINK this is the reason for movements like Perot and the Tea Party.

(02-14-2011 03:16 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-14-2011 02:42 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  America can save the world. We just need to spend a little more money.

If it means the difference between (say) Mubarek or the Shah, on the one hand, and (say) bin Laden or Khomeini, on the other hand, then it's money well-squandered.

CONservatives never met a war they didn't like. Let me guess, you never served in the military... of course not

(02-14-2011 03:17 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  We assume that when a "bad" leader is overthrown, he will be replaced in a "free" election with someone who thinks about freedom as we do...

I've never assumed that. Not with respect to Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, or anywhere else.

Quote:Unfortunately, the freedom they often seem to seek is the freedom to stone women for being raped and to kill anyone who disagrees with their view of the world. Iran (numerous times) Iraq, now Egypt... the list is VERY long.

There is some truth in that, although I don't think it happens as "often" as many Americans seem to believe. But for me, the key element is not whether they allow people to enjoy the freedom/lifestyle that we in America take for granted. It's primarily a matter of whether they (I) forsake the acquisition of atomic/nuclear weapons, and (II) permit Americans (and citizens of America's allies) to live in peace. Those are huge differences, in exchange for which I am willing to pay a high price, and to grant a lot of leeway in terms of their internal arrangements.

(02-14-2011 03:21 PM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(02-14-2011 03:16 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-14-2011 02:42 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  America can save the world. We just need to spend a little more money.

If it means the difference between (say) Mubarek or the Shah, on the one hand, and (say) bin Laden or Khomeini, on the other hand, then it's money well-squandered.

CONservatives never met a war they didn't like. Let me guess, you never served in the military... of course not

Vietnam - Democrat
Korea - Democrat
Bosnia-Herzegovina - Democrat
Kosovo - Democrat
WWII - Democrat
WWI - Democrat


One would think it wouldn't be wise to make such an asinine claim with something as prominent and wide-spread as Google on every single network-connect PC in the world, but alas, there's you. ....and yes, I did serve in the military.