Torch,

Your source is an opinion piece............... Just sayin................

Based on NOAA research.
The Twentieth Century Reanalysis Project
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/data/gridde...eanV2.html

From Torch's link:

Quote:The London-based Global Warming Policy Foundation charges that British authorities are so committed to the notion that Britain's future will be warmer that they have failed to plan for winter storms that have hit the country three years running.

Yep. I tend to trust data from the past. Real and quantifiable. But I'm far less trustworthy of future forecasts. For instance, this article from 2000 all but wrote an obituary for any further snowfalls in Britain. Not to mention last year's backpeddling about the Himalayan glaciers disappearing by 2035.

I believe a gradual rise in overall global temperature has occurred over the past x decades. I'm a little skeptical how much man has played a role, and I'm very skeptical of the wild climate forecasts - much of it driven by alarmists with ulterior motives - and that the world is nearing its end because of it.

Having said that, it can only help the environment in general by continuing to develop and promote "green" technology products and limit/reduce gasses and pollutants that get pumped into the air and water, AGW or not (via market forces and incentives).

(02-10-2011 10:49 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  The next Ice Age is coming.

No ice age, but some meteorogists are predicting that something called the Pacific Decadal Oscillation is now shifting phases, resulting in a new cooler spell that will last for at least the next couple decades (similar to the 1960s and 1970s).

As I said in my above post, take any super-long range forecast with what it's worth. But it's as valid a possibility as any others being floated out there, and wouldn't be that much of a surprise if it happened.

-28 in Oklahoma...those poor people..they are not used to that or ready for that....Oh My,,,

(02-10-2011 10:06 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  -28 in Oklahoma...those poor people..they are not used to that or ready for that....Oh My,,,

And almost 3 feet of snow to boot.

(02-10-2011 10:40 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-10-2011 10:06 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  -28 in Oklahoma...those poor people..they are not used to that or ready for that....Oh My,,,

And almost 3 feet of snow to boot.

Think of how bad you'd have it if the planet wasn't warming.

That Wall Street Journal story says no deaths were reported from the Dallas storm right before the Super Bowl. I know of one for sure in Houston (and I thought it might have been three or four) and all we got was a little ice - no snow.

I do know this - first, I'm ready for the climate change to be giving us warm weather now. And two, I'd rather have the weather experts working on perfecting their 1-5 day forecast skills and not worry about figuring out climate change for the next 20-50 years. If they can't accurately tell us what the weather is going to be tomorrow, I'm not very confident about anyone's ability to tell us what the weather will do in another generation.

From the AP in the Washington Post*

Quote:"The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen, Norway. Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.



"Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelt which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable."

*Nov 2, 1922.

So ice melt DOESN'T make coastal cities uninhabitable? This was long ago well established? Shouldn't someone call Al? Is it even remotely possible the UN knew of this and buried this info?

Every time I hear a global warming alarmist talk about flooding coastal cities, I think of this scene in Austin Powers, International Man of Mystery.



The coastal population will have generations to move away from rising water, and if they don't, well I can't feel sympathy for them as the Steamroller runs them over.

(02-11-2011 11:10 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  From the AP in the Washington Post*

Quote:"The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen, Norway. Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.



"Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelt which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable."

*Nov 2, 1922.

....and there Charleston, SC still stands, 311 years after it's founding.

It would embarrass me to be wrong as many times as the libs.

Most of the arctic ice was floating. Therefore, when it melts, it won't raise the sea level.